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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 492 42.6%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 115 9.9%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 343 29.7%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 206 17.8%

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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#9,261
Dec 31, 2020
naddaya said:
If he has a good relationship with V by the end? That's a traumatic outcome even for him. He doesn't want to steal V's body and keeps repeating that, he leaves NC with survivor's guilt and his own body will be a constant reminder of what happened. Staring into a mirror will be like looking at a friend's corpse, not sure if anyone can get used to that.
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Have you actually played that one? He seemed pretty fine to me, was joking around and laughing. It is a happy ending for Johnny no matter how you try to twist it
 
lokozar

lokozar

Fresh user
#9,262
Dec 31, 2020
lolic99 said:
Once again, these "calls" are a replacements of the classic "ending slides" from other games that bring the line under your game. You will be "called" in any ending, even in the case of suicide ending.
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Exactly. You will be called even in the suicide ending. Notice something?
 
I_Willenbrock_I

I_Willenbrock_I

Senior user
#9,263
Dec 31, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
Johnny gets a new life and a body that won't die on him in 6 months, how is that not happier than anything V gets?
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It's optional because it's not part of the main story. I don't want more meaningless choices, which the game has plenty of
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To be fair, in Mass Effect 2, Shepard dies if you only do the main missions. His team dies as well.

Johnny not getting cancer in V's body is contradicted by the ingame lore and established principles.
I know the game tells us that Johnny gets to live (an albeit miserable, lonely life in a body, he did not even want) but it's nonetheless highly flawed.
 
SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Senior user
#9,264
Dec 31, 2020
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crawfordman said:
wasn't cdpr paying attention to the ME3 ending mess? do they want ANOTHER repeat of that? if i were in their shoes i would do something about ricky tick!
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And if i were in their shoes i would put all the effort on remastered version, with cut content restored, promised features implimented and plot overhauled.
 
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Barsenthor

Barsenthor

Senior user
#9,265
Dec 31, 2020
lolic99 said:
I can only repeat - this is an open ending. The game contains only what we saw.
And until you officially get a job as a screenwriter in CDPR - it will remain so.
The same goes for your optimistic opponent. :)
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It’s not an open ending, it’s indoctrination theory in the making 2.0.
The only solution is that CDPR will go with full Bethesda and release its version of Broken Steel expansion (FYI it was 3rd expansion for FO3 so they took their time).
Right now those endings are as open ended as TW3. You have 6mo of grace period with rapidly progressing Parkinson’s Disease with unknown treatment, which is confirmed by top scientist in this world in neurosurgery and top AI.
 
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I_Willenbrock_I

I_Willenbrock_I

Senior user
#9,266
Dec 31, 2020
lokozar said:
How is the Nomad ending a happy end? V still has the same problem. He/she will die in about 6 months. Wishful thinking of Panam doesn't change the situation. Same goes for the Arasaka ending. No ending does change the fact, that V will leave the stage. At least until CDPR turns the table on this, which I don't believe they will. The endings are crafted in such a way, that they convey the story of a tragic (anti-)hero, who serves as an impactful example of how cruel this world is.
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Except they are going not really a great job at doing it.
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#9,267
Dec 31, 2020
I_Willenbrock_I said:
To be fair, in Mass Effect 2, Shepard dies if you only do the main missions. His team dies as well.
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Seems like they are copying the bad and leaving out the good
I_Willenbrock_I said:
Johnny not getting cancer in V's body is contradicted by the ingame lore and established principles.
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Cdpr are fans of Keanu that's the reason behind it, they don't actually seem to care about the lore
 
lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,268
Dec 31, 2020
crawfordman said:
wasn't cdpr paying attention to the ME3 ending mess? do they want ANOTHER repeat of that? if i were in their shoes i would do something about ricky tick!
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wasn't players paying attention to the Cuberpunk starting mess? :)
It's a miracle that the release version has some kind of endings besides the CTD.
People, of course, hope that they will add something in dlc in the future. If there is money and desire.
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#9,269
Dec 31, 2020
I_Willenbrock_I said:
Except they are going not really a great job at doing it.
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They are not really doing a great job at anything
 
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crawfordman

crawfordman

Forum regular
#9,270
Dec 31, 2020
SaulTuk said:
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And if i were in their shoes i would put all the effort on remastered version, with cut content restored, promised features implimented and plot overhauled.
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will it be a free patch or will i have to pay for it a second time?
 
ImmortalXJ

ImmortalXJ

Fresh user
#9,271
Dec 31, 2020
I'm starting to get annoyed with games that make you feel like you're doing the impossible with no hope of success, only to pull through based off of choices you've made, only to be met with a real shit ending
 
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SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Senior user
#9,272
Dec 31, 2020
crawfordman said:
will it be a free patch or will i have to pay for it a second time?
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No, free for any game owners, of course.
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#9,273
Dec 31, 2020
lolic99 said:
wasn't players paying attention to the Cuberpunk starting mess? :)
It's a miracle that the release version has some kind of endings besides the CTD.
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They literally made the Panam ending as a distraction for that reason, it's funny and sad at the same time, lmao
 
lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,274
Dec 31, 2020
Barsenthor said:
Right now those endings are as open ended
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as open ended. Regardless.
Anyone can conjecture anything - a terrible death or a miraculous healing.
The answer can only be given by CDPR, if they do it.
 
onosendai7

onosendai7

Senior user
#9,275
Dec 31, 2020
trapromance said:
In regards to that, the PnP Cyberpunk also says the same thing, but also mentions that the Soul decays if it receives no stimulus. Ala, experiences, through a human vessel. That much is also repeated in the game.
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To receive stimulus, the engram must be run (in some Arasaka mainframe in the P&P game, where they are tortured for information useful to Arasaka). Engrams are files, or programs. They have to be run to experience something.
If an engram is not run but simply stored, well, it stays that way and has no idea of anything. It is in stasis. No decay. It is simply off.
And experience through a human vessel is not mandatory. They can enjoy experimenting some virtual stimuli and have interaction one with the others.

trapromance said:
V is still V. V will stop being V if they get stashed away like data on a hard-drive, never to be utilized again. This essentially happened to Alt, who spent so much time in Cyberspace that she became a bundle of codes commandeered by a singular, all-powerful AI calling itself Alt. (Alt actually says she's not Alt any more, ergo not even Human any more -- and the 'Human' aspect was implicative of a 'soul').
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The last edition of the game does not really agree with you.
Alt says whatever Alt wants to since it's CDPR who write the lines, in order to negate a "à la Neuromancer" ending.
 
I_Willenbrock_I

I_Willenbrock_I

Senior user
#9,276
Dec 31, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
They are not really doing a great job at anything
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That is a given.

IF they don't go a dlc/addon route, the endings are a slap to the face that needs to altered, to reflect ingame involvement.
Hence, making life better for V, if V and Johnny follow the original plan. Johnny does mit want to live and wants V to keep the body.

Its either alteration (cutting out the damn plot-cancer), new endings (where V lives) based on successful side missions or a post credit DLC that enables V to survive to fight in a new game or expansion...

Either way, something needs to happen to increase replayability and logic.
 
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onosendai7

onosendai7

Senior user
#9,277
Dec 31, 2020
Galerion90 said:
Except they already do keep their word. They remove the chip with Johnny and save your life that way. After that you are free to go. No strings attached.
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Yeah. In doing so, they can observe a unique specimen of "what happen when the relic fumbles". V. is a guinea pig. Not someone they care about. And you're dead in 6 months anyway

Galerion90 said:
The fact that removing Johnny and the chip doesn't keep you from dying is and just buys you 6 months is present in all endings and is what riles people up.
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Absolutely.
 
trapromance

trapromance

Fresh user
#9,278
Dec 31, 2020
Barsenthor said:
It’s not an open ending, it’s indoctrination theory in the making 2.0.
The only solution is that CDPR will go with full Bethesda and release its version of Broken Steel expansion (FYI it was 3rd expansion for FO3 so they took their time).
Right now those endings are as open ended as TW3. You have 6mo of grace period with rapidly progressing Parkinson’s Disease with unknown treatment, which is confirmed by top scientist in this world in neurosurgery and top AI.
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Lizzy Whizzy - Fully cyberized with partial organic brain. Went crazy.

Adam Smasher - 95% cyberized; only the brain remained. Already insane, already had fantasies of being weaponized, confirmed that gruesomely mauling people to death was his pass-time. No sane person willingly wants to become a robot.

Cyberpsychos - initially thought and theorized to be a result of PTSD or Traumatic experiences peaked by neural implants. Turns out to only be half-true, because just over half of the Cyberpsycho quest cases turn out to be ordinary people whose brains simply couldn't handle the stimulus caused by cybernetic augmentation.

Maelstrom - Not one of them is mentally stable, yet somehow remain 'functional' despite heavily augmenting and replacing parts of their bodies and brains.

V - The first fully cyberized human with a synthetic brain to not go insane, not to be insane prior to the transition, made possible due to their strong desire to survive at all costs, and having been Engrammed in the process. See: Major Motoko Kusanagi of GITS.

There's the cure. NUSA are implied to be appearing in multiple endings.

Essentials to remaining mentally sound in order to transition from organic to full synthetic: Strong will/"Already Insane", Engrammed.

Sequel potential, commence.
 
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superdemus

superdemus

Senior user
#9,279
Dec 31, 2020
I'll be the optimist again. Some of you remember Chev Chelios? He's a good example that strong-willed characters somehow survive anything if they want to. Despite what the experts claim.
 
lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,280
Dec 31, 2020
onosendai7 said:
The last edition of the game does not really agree with you.
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Edition? Paper games?
I hate to sound rude, but most cyberpunk players absolutely don't give a shit about what the tabletop rules say.
This is a 3D action RPG (or maybe not an RPG anymore) based on something there, in general, it doesn't matter what.
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superdemus said:
I'll be the optimist again. Some of you remember Chev Chelios? He's a good example that strong-willed characters somehow survive anything if they want to. Despite what the experts claim.
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Experts? lol
This game is finished in the role-playing and plot part at exactly the same level as in the technical part.
The only difference is that the technical bugs are fixed. And the plot and role-playing bugs are "explained" by experts.
 
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