[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[tRYSIS3]

That is a given.

IF they don't go a dlc/addon route, the endings are a slap to the face that needs to altered, to reflect ingame involvement.
Hence, making life better for V, if V and Johnny follow the original plan. Johnny does mit want to live and wants V to keep the body.

Its either alteration (cutting out the damn plot-cancer), new endings (where V lives) based on successful side missions or a post credit DLC that enables V to survive to fight in a new game or expansion...

Either way, something needs to happen to increase replayability and logic.

If you told me earlier this month that this is how I'll be talking about cdpr, I wouldn't have believed it. It's quite remarkable how they managed to mess up every single aspect of the game.

We went from expecting a complex multi-layered branching story that could be replayed many times in different ways, to hoping for an update that would make the endings have any sliver of difference between them.

 

[superdemus]

Experts? lol

With "experts" I meant the doctor in the movie where Chev Chelios appears in.
Alt being the expert in Cyberpunk.

 

[lolic99]

With "experts" I meant the doctor in the movie where Chev Chelios appears in.
Alt being the expert in Cyberpunk.

Got it.
There are enough other experts explaining that this or that bug or plot hole is caused by the setting.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

If you told me earlier this month that this is how I'll be talking about cdpr, I wouldn't have believed it. It's quite remarkable how they managed to mess up every single aspect of the game.

We went from expecting a complex multi-layered branching story that could be replayed many times in different ways, to hoping for an update that would make the endings have any sliver of difference between them.

You and me both choomb... You and me both...

 

[Barsenthor]

Lizzy Whizzy - Fully cyberized with partial organic brain. Went crazy.

Adam Smasher - 95% cyberized; only the brain remained. Already insane, confirmed that gruesomely mauling people to death was his pass-time. No sane person willingly wants to become a robot.

Cyberpsychos - initially thought and theorized to be a result of PTSD or Traumatic experiences peaked by neural implants. Turns out to only be half-true, because just over half of the Cyberpsycho quest cases turn out to be ordinary people whose brains simply couldn't handle the stimulus caused by cybernetic augmentation.

V - The first fully cyberized human to not go insane, not to be insane prior to the transition, made possible due to their strong desire to survive at all costs, and having been Engrammed in the process. See: Major Motoko Kusanagi of GITS.

There's the cure. NUSA are implied to be appearing in multiple endings.

Sequel potential, commence.

There is no treatment.
You know why? The same reason why chicken crossed the road. Because the writer says so.

The game says this over and over again - Vic, Hellman, probably Board or profs in Arasaka, Alt.
Those characters were established as a reliable source of information in this world.
Many times they work as a exposition devices to explain how world works.
Unless it was said that we shouldn’t belive them this stands.
The only option that says that something something positive is a person who was described as a con-artist who believe in ghosts and so on. Game never make a spirituality as a thing, never, yet people bought the card thing like candiesC because they are only meaningful connection that can be made between those “endings” (in particular one ending) and the “happy” ending with current story. The rest are some lines like we will find the way, with our any real arguments to back them up.

 

[mbrto]

im looking forward to the "blood and wine" style dlcs
i absolutely love the main story

 

[trapromance]

There is no treatment.
You know why? The same reason why chicken crossed the road. Because the writer says so.

The game says this over and over again - Vic, Hellman, probably Board or profs in Arasaka, Alt.
Those characters were established as a reliable source of information in this world.
Many times they work as a exposition devices to explain how world works.
Unless it was said that we shouldn’t belive them this stands.
The only option that says that something something positive is a person who was described as a con-artist who believe in ghosts and so on. Game never make a spirituality as a thing, never, yet people bought the card thing like candiesC because they are only meaningful connection that can be made between those “endings” (in particular one ending) and the “happy” ending. The rest are some lines like we will find the way, with our any real arguments to back them.

That's your opinion, and opinions are never conclusive. There's nothing definitive about '6 months left to live', that's a long period of time in hindsight when it concerns RPG's. The entirety of CP2077 happens within 2 weeks. It's illogical to think it's over already, considering the amount of resources that went into the game - you need only look at the VA's for both genders of V as one example.

No one at any one point brought spirituality into this at all - the cards actually serve as constructive defining points to elaborate on the endings and happening throughout the game. This is a deliberate game mechanic -- you're now basically pulling at straws to continue this irate rant about how the game did you dirty. You're just coming off as passive-aggressive at this point because the game didn't cater to your exacting specifications.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

There is no treatment.
You know why? The same reason why chicken crossed the road. Because the writer says so.

The game says this over and over again - Vic, Hellman, probably Board or profs in Arasaka, Alt.
Those characters were established as a reliable source of information in this world.
Many times they work as a exposition devices to explain how world works.
Unless it was said that we shouldn’t belive them this stands.
The only option that says that something something positive is a person who was described as a con-artist who believe in ghosts and so on. Game never make a spirituality as a thing, never, yet people bought the card thing like candiesC because they are only meaningful connection that can be made between those “endings” (in particular one ending) and the “happy” ending. The rest are some lines like we will find the way, with our any real arguments to back them.

Atm, there definitely is no cure in sight.

If they try to do something, it would be biotechnica who is able to do it. Their science divisions are far more advanced than arasakas.

This however would need a DLC, addon and one hell of an interesting journey.

 

[Hexagon-Sun]

This has probably been said before but I'll say it again because it's very important. Especially if anyone claims that the endings fit the genre or the world.

The problem with what we got is not as simple as "MC dies and we are not happy with it". The problem with this half-game is that the objective of the main character, or what we believe to be the main character, is to find a cure and survive. Not only does the main plot revolve around that but the game goes the extra mile to every now and then do some static effect to let you know that MC is dying.

At this point most players get this sense of urgency and rush to complete the main missions and almost everyone thought that they would succeed. Because what other game makes an objective for the player to not be able to complete it? not because of bad decisions or because the player messed something up. But because, what? I don't even know.

You can argue that V is technically alive in some endings but it just isn't good enough for a game like this. This works in a novel or a movie.

Meanwhile games that let the MC die don't make it their whole purpose. They die after achieving something. which is sad but at least they changed something. Here V might as well have not existed.

We aren't children who want a fairy tale ending. We want rewards for playing a game and getting invested in said game. If you make the MC die don't make the whole game about them finding a cure. Who thought this was a good idea?

 

[lolic99]

There is no treatment.

Yes, everything is as usual. There is no treatment. There is no treatment.
Released dlc about treatment - "I was misunderstood".
Here is your antipode, for which V have practically found a cure. You will make a great duet of dreamers.

 

[tRYSIS3]

Yes, everything is as usual. There is no treatment. There is no treatment.
Released dlc about treatment - "I was misunderstood".
Here is your antipode, for which V have practically found a cure. You will make a great duet of dreamers.

Pay $69.99 to play a game about finding a cure, pay $29.99 to play DLC that includes the cure

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

This has probably been said before but I'll say it again because it's very important. Especially if anyone claims that the endings fit the genre or the world.

The problem with what we got is not as simple as "MC dies and we are not happy with it". The problem with this half-game is that the objective of the main character, or what we believe to be the main character, is to find a cure and survive. Not only does the main plot revolve around that but the game goes the extra mile to every now and then do some static effect to let you know that MC is dying.

At this point most players get this sense of urgency and rush to complete the main missions and almost everyone thought that they would succeed. Because what other game makes an objective for the player to not be able to complete it? not because of bad decisions or because the player messed something up. But because, what? I don't even know.

You can argue that V is technically alive in some endings but it just isn't good enough for a game like this. This works in a novel or a movie.

Meanwhile games that let the MC die don't make it their whole purpose. They die after achieving something. which is sad but at least they changed something. Here V might as well have not existed.

We aren't children who want a fairy tale ending. We want rewards for playing a game and getting invested in said game. If you make the MC die don't make the whole game about them finding a cure. Who thought this was a good idea?

Mate. It does not even work in movies or books.
Not in the way the story is set up.

If CP2077 was a book and would me present a terminal desease that is not explained in the story, comes out of the left field and contradicts the establishedore and principles of the story, I would most certainly not read more books from that writer.

 

[Barsenthor]

That's your opinion, and opinions are never conclusive. There's nothing definitive about '6 months left to live', that's a long period of time in hindsight when it concerns RPG's. The entirety of CP2077 happens within 2 weeks. It's illogical to think it's over already, considering the amount of resources that went into the game - you need only look at the VA's for both genders of V as one example.

It’s not a opinion it’s a statement based on facts shown in this game and repeated over and over again.
When this game ends you have no plan, no real options besides vague Panam line that they will find the way and the cards shown by a girl who gets them 6 mo ago.

the rest is pure speculation on the verge of fantasy like “Biotechnica has some ties with some rednecks from Arizona” they surly with share their top secret knowledge if Panam do the talking in her tight jeans” or
- Mr Blue Eye which is a goon for some shady organizations will surly be very friendly in this completely unfriendly world and will help me. It’s not like this bad Arasaka that spend millions of eddis on treatment and found nothing because Arasaka Bad, Blue Eye people good.

sorry this is a Indoctrination Theory with strange noises, reapers lifting off and ending so bizarre that it must be a hallucination. The real fight is just before us!

 

[Galerion90]

Yeah. In doing so, they can observe a unique specimen of "what happen when the relic fumbles". V. is a guinea pig. Not someone they care about. And you're dead in 6 months anyway

I mean you can head canon whatever you want. We all do here anyway but it doesn't change that in the end it puts you in the exact same spot as the Nomad/Glory ending with 6 months to live.
Except you didn't get soul killed and none of "your" buddies died.

 

[lolic99]

Pay $69.99 to play a game about finding a cure, pay $29.99 to play DLC that includes the cure

This is a different question. I doubt that cdpr will do this as a paid dlc, if at all. Hopefully they're not bioware.

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It’s not a opinion it’s a statement

No, that's an opinion. Fanatical, but still an opinion.

 

[tRYSIS3]

Mate. It does not even work in movies or books.
Not in the way the story is set up.

If CP2077 was a book and would me present a terminal desease that is not explained in the story, comes out of the left field and contradicts the establishedore and principles of the story, I would most certainly not read more books from that writer.

A movie with a similar story would have a rotten score on rottentomatoes

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This is a different question. I doubt that cdpr will do this as a paid dlc, if at all. Hopefully they're not bioware.

Nothing is beyond them at this point

 

[trapromance]

It’s not a opinion it’s a statement based on facts shown in this game and repeated over and over again.
When this game ends you have no plan, no real options besides vague Panam line that they will find the way and the cards shown by a girl who gets them 6 mo ago.

the rest is pure speculation on the verge of fantasy like “Biotechnica has some ties with some rednecks from Arizona” they surly with share their top secret knowledge if Panam do the talking in her tight jeans” or
- Mr Blue Eye which is a goon for some shady organizations will surly be very friendly in this completely unfriendly world and will help me. It’s not like this bad Arasaka that spend millions of eddis on treatment and found nothing because Arasaka Bad, Blue Eye people good.

sorry this is a Indoctrination Theory with strange noises, reapers lifting off and ending so bizarre that it must be a hallucination. The real fight is just before us!

Again, your opinion. It's not conclusive. There's no 'GOD' in the story or divine presence like in The Witcher curtailing what the outcomes will be. There's nothing conclusive about the endings - every character has their own perspective on how things work, and ultimately they all end up contradicting one another. You're deliberately missing that part out, especially with how even Alt - the supreme AI - is capable of making mistakes. That's a hint, an AI made a calculated mistake.

Please stop jumping down peoples' throats; you're going to feel really stupid when/if a sequel is made and it turns out V survives after all. We get it, the game made you feel dirty. But an opinion is still just an opinion.

The only conclusive elements we have is you either have 6 months left to live and that V will die if they don't find a cure (emphasis, if they don't find one), or you go on in Cyberspace. Both are hooks for continuation.

 

[Barsenthor]

This is a different question. I doubt that cdpr will do this as a paid dlc, if at all. Hopefully they're not bioware.

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No, that's an opinion. Fanatical, but still an opinion.

Been there, saw this. ME forum AD2012. The same heated debate, same arguments based on some “clues” that mostly was a wobbly speculations. They annoyed BW tho, they release the Extended Cut to “fix the ending” that mostly hammer down every smalles nail of indoctrination theory. And the. they released Omega DLC and many skins in loot boxes for MP. EA with BW won, players won after 8 years but because games were so expensive to make that you need to play safe and do the already established series not new one.

 

[lolic99]

Yes, it's really funny.
CDPR themselves do not yet know the continuation of their open endings, but zealots are already explaining and commenting on them with might and main.

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They annoyed BW tho, they release the Extended Cut to “fix the ending” that mostly hammer down every smalles nail of indoctrination theory.

There were no open finals in ME3, everything was clearly completed there. Clinically stupid, but finished. Only the zealots began to aggressively reason and prove something that was not in the game.
Indeed, it sounds a little familiar.
As for the endings, I would like to hope that the cdpr will not repeat the mistakes of bioware. Before the poor endings of ME3, it was one of the elite studios that released RPGs. And now...

 

[Barsenthor]

Again, your opinion. It's not conclusive. There's no 'GOD' in the story or divine presence like in The Witcher curtailing what the outcomes will be. There's nothing conclusive about the endings - every character has their own perspective on how things work, and ultimately they all end up contradicting one another. You're deliberately missing that part out, especially with how even Alt - the supreme AI - is capable of making mistakes. That's a hint, an AI made a calculated mistake.

Please stop jumping down peoples' throats; you're going to feel really stupid when/if a sequel is made and it turns out V survives after all. We get it, the game made you feel dirty. But an opinion is still just an opinion.

The only conclusive elements we have is you either have 6 months left to live and that V will die if they don't find a cure (emphasis, if they don't find one), or you go on in Cyberspace. Both are hooks for continuation.

The part of “die is a/he won’t find a cure” is a speculation. If there will be cure it will be the same cure as Broken Still survival of gargantuan dose of radiation. It’s called retcon.

Currently it is stated that no cure exists in this world and you don’t have any other reasons to doubt it besides “it doesn’t fit the Indoctrination Theory 2.0”.

sorry that this is harsh but it’s better to be positively disappointed.