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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 492 42.6%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 115 9.9%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 343 29.7%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 206 17.8%

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arcsirc

arcsirc

Forum regular
#9,341
Dec 31, 2020
onosendai7 said:
Cyberpunk RED is available since November.
Of course there is a partnership between Talsorian or CDPR. I do not denie that. Each is taking profit of the other. I have no problem with that.


Pondsmith will say nothing against the video game because it is not in his interest (and there may be also legal worries). His goal is to sell the 4th edition of the game. CDPR makes his marketing campaign indirectly for his P&P game. And the game IS a very good visual adaptation. So, it's all the best for him.
It does not respect the background. For instance, Alt is not the cold bitch CDPR shows us. Arasaka would never care the slightest about a dying edgerunner...
It does not respect the genre : denying the immortality in the matrix is an heresy. Cyberpunk is about escaping the flesh and how technology changes the world and the relation to humanity (we instead got some fortune telling tricks -sooo technological). Cyberpunk is not about bad endings or poorly written tricks.
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oh no you think he sold out to the corpos? ;)
 
permaSF

permaSF

Fresh user
#9,342
Dec 31, 2020
Yeah. Just finished the story, went for a rogue option - which is fking bad. And after i saw Judy left me i had to check which ending makes her happy and replay the ending story. I'm so sad and mad that V gonna die, was expecting something different honestly. Lets hope DLC gonna fix this.
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#9,343
Dec 31, 2020
Nowdays almost everyone puts money above abything else.
 
arcsirc

arcsirc

Forum regular
#9,344
Dec 31, 2020
permaSF said:
Yeah. Just finished the story, went for a rogue option - which is fking bad. And after i saw Judy left me i had to check which ending makes her happy and replay the ending story. I'm so sad and mad that V gonna die, was expecting something different honestly. Lets hope DLC gonna fix this.
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the rogue option is truly cursed haha I know the feel.
 
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zeemanefekti

zeemanefekti

Fresh user
#9,345
Dec 31, 2020
onosendai7 said:
Cyberpunk RED is available since November.
Of course there is a partnership between Talsorian or CDPR. I do not denie that. Each is taking profit of the other. I have no problem with that.


Pondsmith will say nothing against the video game because it is not in his interest (and there may be also legal worries). His goal is to sell the 4th edition of the game. CDPR makes his marketing campaign indirectly for his P&P game. And the game IS a very good visual adaptation. So, it's all the best for him.
It does not respect the background. For instance, Alt is not the cold bitch CDPR shows us. Arasaka would never care the slightest about a dying edgerunner...
It does not respect the genre : denying the immortality in the matrix is an heresy. Cyberpunk is about escaping the flesh and how technology changes the world and the relation to humanity (we instead got some fortune telling tricks -sooo technological). Cyberpunk is not about bad endings or poorly written tricks.
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Alt was alive as a human in CP2020 right? Isnt AI Alt a CDPR creation or was she brought back as some sort of less bitchy AI in RED?

As for Arasaka caring for an edgerunner, I have made this point before: as Saburo was only alive as an engram before the beginning of the Arasaka ending and they had never before perfected the biochip/relic 2.0, it is only natural to keep this particular edgerunner alive to study why it worked for her and not for any of test subjects before. I believe Arasaka had already deemed the project a failure before Vs special circumstances made it function. Nobody in Arasaka really cared for V once they had successfully transferred Saburo to Yorinobus body.

Are there some bigger thematic changes you think CDPR made to the CP2020 world in their interpretation for CP77? As I sense a very positive transhumanistic message from CP77.
 
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onosendai7

onosendai7

Senior user
#9,346
Dec 31, 2020
SaulTuk said:
Someone's alive still here?)
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Still.
 
Master_Plot

Master_Plot

Forum regular
#9,347
Dec 31, 2020
Happy New year Everyone, and hopefully CDPR brings us a good DLC for 2021 :smart:
 
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onosendai7

onosendai7

Senior user
#9,348
Jan 1, 2021
zeemanefekti said:
Alt was alive as a human in CP2020 right? Isnt AI Alt a CDPR creation or was she brought back as some sort of less bitchy AI in RED?
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Alt was alive in 2013, and has always been a ghost in the machine since. A rather benevolent one for the edgerunner community, and a malevolent one for corporate (guess why...). Alt is also a very important character in the Cyberpunk spin-of Cybergeneration.


zeemanefekti said:
As for Arasaka caring for an edgerunner, I have made this point before: as Saburo was only alive as an engram before the beginning of the Arasaka ending and they had never before perfected the biochip/relic 2.0, it is only natural to keep this particular edgerunner alive to study why it worked for her and not for any of test subjects before. I believe Arasaka had already deemed the project a failure before Vs special circumstances made it function. Nobody in Arasaka really cared for V once they had successfully transferred Saburo to Yorinobus body.
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Yep, pretty much. V. is a guinea pig for Arasaka to observe how the "treatment" goes.
Once they have nothing more to learn, well, V. is a goner. There is no need to keep V.

zeemanefekti said:
Are there some bigger thematic changes you think CDPR made to the CP2020 world in their interpretation for CP77? As I sense a very positive trans humanistic message from CP77.
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On the contrary, the message is very negative. Tech is your enemy. You're going psycho and are a danger to yourself and the others (even those you care about). There is no redemption throught the matrix (no GitS, no Neuromancer, not even CP2020...). The AIs are your enemy. Your body is defiled by the implants and you lose contact with it (the Zen monk episode)...
Night City is very well depicted and is very vivid, but CDPR put some morale where there should be none. Players should feel free to be white knights or true SoBs. But here, you fight the gangs, and are somewhat always pushed in some positive behavior. CP is not about morale. Basically, the scope of the P&P RPG is usually very narrow at the beginning, and always revolves around the characters. How to pay the rent, how to get some better stuff, ... Money (or the lack of) is what drives them. That's why I do not understand why CDPR put the Pax Mod in their game. Cyberpunk is fast and dirty (ambush, traps, combat drugs...). In comparison, CDPR is peace and love... :p
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arcsirc said:
oh no you think he sold out to the corpos? ;)
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He is a corpo :)
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I_Willenbrock_I said:
What AAA-game does not get a positive review?
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I_Willenbrock_I said:
What AAA-game does not get a positive review?
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I mean user review.
Users mainly complain about the technical aspect of the game (bugs and other tricks). They do not about the story or the content.
 
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I_Willenbrock_I

I_Willenbrock_I

Senior user
#9,349
Jan 1, 2021
onosendai7 said:
I mean user review.
Users mainly complain about the technical aspect of the game (bugs and other tricks). They do not about the story or the content.
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Absolutely.
The only thing that is saving CDPR from a massive backlash over the endo gs is the fact that completionists have not finished the game yet, are stuck in missions or can't really play, because of curropted safe files and general technical problems.

The fact alone that only fmvery few people defend the endings (not caring about them is even worse) is a sure sign that it's not even a contrived subject..
 
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zeemanefekti

zeemanefekti

Fresh user
#9,350
Jan 1, 2021
onosendai7 said:
Alt was alive in 2013, and has always been a ghost in the machine since. A rather benevolent one for the edgerunner community, and a malevolent one for corporate (guess why...). Alt is also a very important character in the Cyberpunk spin-of Cybergeneration.



Yep, pretty much. V. is a guinea pig for Arasaka to observe how the "treatment" goes.
Once they have nothing more to learn, well, V. is a goner. There is no need to keep V.


On the contrary, the message is very negative. Tech is your enemy. You're going psycho and are a danger to yourself and the others (even those you care about). There is no redemption throught the matrix (no GitS, no Neuromancer, not even CP2020...). The AIs are your enemy. Your body is defiled by the implants and you lose contact with it (the Zen monk episode)...
Night City is very well depicted and is very vivid, but CDPR put some morale where there should be none. Players should feel free to be white knights or true SoBs. But here, you fight the gangs, and are somewhat always pushed in some positive behavior. CP is not about morale. Basically, the scope of the P&P RPG is usually very narrow at the beginning, and always revolves around the characters. How to pay the rent, how to get some better stuff, ... Money (or the lack of) is what drives them. That's why I do not understand why CDPR put the Pax Mod in their game. Cyberpunk is fast and dirty (ambush, traps, combat drugs...). In comparison, CDPR is peace and love... :p
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He is a corpo :)
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I mean user review.
Users mainly complain about the technical aspect of the game (bugs and other tricks). They do not about the story or the content.
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I think I can grasp your thinking a bit better now. As a cyberpunk (the genre, although have dabbled a bit with the TT as well) buff I can agree on the points of netrunning and minduploading / soul digitalization always being a positive in the best CB stories and scenarios. This might just be CDPR writers getting to know their material and finding their tune with the material. Have to remember that the witcher had a pretty much ready-made world and stories for CDRP to translate into game format, here they have to make their own stories with only a ready-made setting and world, nothing more.

I am going to make make my own judgement once I see where they are actually going to take the story. Have to say that I was a bit disappointing when there was no representation for the experience of being integrated to Alt, when choosing to give our body to Johnny. As a transhumanist myself, I did see the joining with Alt as a positive choice, even if the characters in the story did not.
 
onosendai7

onosendai7

Senior user
#9,351
Jan 1, 2021
zeemanefekti said:
I think I can grasp your thinking a bit better now. As a cyberpunk (the genre, although have dabbled a bit with the TT as well) buff I can agree on the points of netrunning and minduploading / soul digitalization always being a positive in the best CB stories and scenarios. This might just be CDPR writers getting to know their material and finding their tune with the material. Have to remember that the witcher had a pretty much ready-made world and stories for CDRP to translate into game format, here they have to make their own stories with only a ready-made setting and world, nothing more.
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In my opinion, CDPR rewrote the novels and made great stuff from the original work.
With CP, they have tons of material to flesh their game. They also had one very proficient consultant.
They could have done sooo much better.

zeemanefekti said:
I am going to make make my own judgement once I see where they are actually going to take the story. Have to say that I was a bit disappointing when there was no representation for the experience of being integrated to Alt, when choosing to give our body to Johnny. As a transhumanist myself, I did see the joining with Alt as a positive choice, even if the characters in the story did not.
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They make the "I stay with Alt" solution unappealing in saying that you merge with Alt, i.e. losing individuality, what makes V. V.. CDPR presents Alt's goal to gobble the "souls" stored in Mikoshi. Not free them, but integrate them. It's not symbiosis but predation. There is no afterlife in the machine because it is also said that you lose your humanity in the matrix, your soul.
Of course, all this is subject to change, depending on what is to come, and my point of view is about what has been delivered. And you're welcome to make your own idea ;)
 
lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,352
Jan 1, 2021
I_Willenbrock_I said:
The only thing that is saving CDPR from a massive backlash over the endo gs is the fact that completionists have not finished the game yet, are stuck in missions or can't really play, because of curropted safe files and general technical problems.
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Unfortunately, I don't think there will be any mass actions.
Just because Cyberpunk is not the end of a Great Trilogy.
Objectively, this is a rather mediocre open world, with poor mechanics and boring activities. The only good thing about it in the first hours is the plot. But when it turns out that he was killed in the final, there is simply nothing to keep the players. There is no point in organizing any kind of protests. After a couple of days, there is simply a desire to forget this misunderstanding and play something else.
Fun just for fan.
 
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bcraig6010

Senior user
#9,353
Jan 1, 2021
tRYSIS3 said:
Have you actually played that one? He seemed pretty fine to me, was joking around and laughing. It is a happy ending for Johnny no matter how you try to twist it
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Agreed. He even ghosted all of V's friends and didn't tell them V was dead - everyone is wondering where V is and V has gone beyond the wall in cyberspace and is just an engram of V.
 
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lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,354
Jan 1, 2021
tRYSIS3 said:
Have you actually played that one? He seemed pretty fine to me, was joking around and laughing. It is a happy ending for Johnny no matter how you try to twist it
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Joking around and laughing? Are we sure we played the same game?
When my V gave him the body, no matter how Johnny discouraged her, the ending for him was a complete depression.
He never smiled. He lost a friend.

I suspect that some of the players treated Johnny like shit, made him worse shit, and then wondered why he treats V like shit.
Well, I must admit the merits of cdpr, here they have worked out the topic well.
 
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bcraig6010

Senior user
#9,355
Jan 1, 2021
trapromance said:
That's your opinion, and opinions are never conclusive. There's nothing definitive about '6 months left to live', that's a long period of time in hindsight when it concerns RPG's. The entirety of CP2077 happens within 2 weeks. It's illogical to think it's over already, considering the amount of resources that went into the game - you need only look at the VA's for both genders of V as one example.

No one at any one point brought spirituality into this at all - the cards actually serve as constructive defining points to elaborate on the endings and happening throughout the game. This is a deliberate game mechanic -- you're now basically pulling at straws to continue this irate rant about how the game did you dirty. You're just coming off as passive-aggressive at this point because the game didn't cater to your exacting specifications.
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The approx 5+ month to live or less is one ending. One - if you chose to risk the lives of the Aldacadoes. If you solo arasaka you're down to three ands whoopsie something goes wrong that final mission. If you take arasaka deal you have been in space for awhile. i.e. less than 6 months.
Three endings V is dead and just an engram of her in cyberspace/beyond the wall or in mikoshi. The cards you address are the cards of one of six endings. Vastly different ones in the others.

3/6 ending you have no body - you're dead.
1/6 sent to earth - unknown time frame but less than 6
1/6 in space and whoopsie not goo but were already down to approx 3 months

only the nomad ending are you nearish to a 6 month window.
 
stndn

stndn

Forum regular
#9,356
Jan 1, 2021
trapromance said:
That's your opinion, and opinions are never conclusive. There's nothing definitive about '6 months left to live', that's a long period of time in hindsight when it concerns RPG's. The entirety of CP2077 happens within 2 weeks. It's illogical to think it's over already, considering the amount of resources that went into the game - you need only look at the VA's for both genders of V as one example.

No one at any one point brought spirituality into this at all - the cards actually serve as constructive defining points to elaborate on the endings and happening throughout the game. This is a deliberate game mechanic -- you're now basically pulling at straws to continue this irate rant about how the game did you dirty. You're just coming off as passive-aggressive at this point because the game didn't cater to your exacting specifications.
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Finally some common sense.
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CDPR is giving us two story driven expansions. If you kill of the main character then what do you do with two story heavy expansions?

40 hours of Hanako hula-hooping outside of Embers? Chugging beers with Panam as V's long lost brother, W?
 
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lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,357
Jan 1, 2021
stndn said:
CDPR is giving us two story driven expansions. If you kill of the main character then what do you do with two story heavy expansions?
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Perhaps it will be the same rubbish as dlc for ME3.
Pre-finale content "helping to understand the Reapers".
Of course, the scriptwriter of prequels, where it was said that “your task is not to understand but to stop them” left this garbage heap long ago.
 
naddaya

naddaya

Forum regular
#9,358
Jan 1, 2021
lolic99 said:
Joking around and laughing? Are we sure we played the same game?
When my V gave him the body, no matter how Johnny discouraged her, the ending for him was a complete depression.
He never smiled. He lost a friend.

I suspect that some of the players treated Johnny like shit, made him worse shit, and then wondered why he treats V like shit.
Well, I must admit the merits of cdpr, here they have worked out the topic well.
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I had 60% approval with Johnny and he acted the same, gifted the guitar to the kid, visited V's grave and left NC in a bus. Didn't look happy at all to me.
 
lolic99

lolic99

Forum regular
#9,359
Jan 1, 2021
lokozar said:
Exactly. You will be called even in the suicide ending. Notice something?
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Should have noticed?
These are the post-game slides. Or do you think that in this city it is customary to call people with brain shots?
 
rapij42882

rapij42882

Fresh user
#9,360
Jan 1, 2021
there is no happy ending. i thought going with arasaka was the most sensible course of action, even though there is a likelihood by the time they eventually find a remedy, your friends will be long gone or at the least very old.

i never got the whole "down with arasaka" thing, i just thought that was johnny's influence on the player. especially if you chose the corpo life path, the ending with arasaka is probably a "happy" one all things considered.
 
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