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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 406 45.2%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 81 9.0%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 264 29.4%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 147 16.4%

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BGM45

BGM45

Forum regular
#921
Dec 15, 2020
Motsie said:
is this coming from the horse's mouth or mostly some rumors from an article? I'm curious to read up on this.
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the first part is mostly speculation based on the fact that they need to add these functions somehow.

the AI thing is from their latest investors' call, question 12. anyone can download the transcript, as I understand. rather fascinating reading, really.
 
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MeinChurro

MeinChurro

Forum regular
#922
Dec 15, 2020
GreyRaconteur said:
Right?? The moment I heard that I would've came out blasting.

Hell, they even portray that in one of the trailers. Why wasn't that an option. I know, because it would've derailed the entire plot.
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Imagine not railroading your players in an RPG game about "choice".
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BGM45 said:
meanwhile, CDPR's completely botched the refunds, and during the investors' call Adam basically said they can't speak about any DLCs because last gen is going to be their top priority for god knows how long now, with the holidays coming up and all that. :shrug:

at least there wasn't another delay to anger the players and lost the investors some money, right?
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That may be a good thing. A blessing in disguise. I don't think many here are really that excited about DLCs anyway, unless they fix this.
 
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kaz_ds

kaz_ds

Forum regular
#923
Dec 15, 2020
So many of us seem to be hopeful that DLC's will change the endings, as much as I want that to be true I doubt it's going to happen. It would be too drastic...
 
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MeinChurro

MeinChurro

Forum regular
#924
Dec 15, 2020
GreyRaconteur said:
Don't think that I haven't been dropping this in recent videos for notable YouTubers who do game news coverage in the vain hope that one of them will look at this thread and do a video on it.

I doubt it, but maybe.

I suggest if anyone of you really care about this being changed, or at least having some kind of resolution added that would make everyone happy. Or hell, at least giving players more agency for what their choices are. At least that. Those that want the bleak nihilistic ending and those that want something more hopeful, start sharing the thread around.
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I just don't trust a lot of these YouTubers, either. To them apparently this game is the RPG of the decade. I've seen some of their "reviews". Yikes.
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#925
Dec 15, 2020
kaz_ds said:
So many of us seem to be hopeful that DLC's will change the endings, as much as I want that to be true I doubt it's going to happen. It would be too drastic...
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No need to change them, easiest way to fix this is give us one or couple of additional endings that ends up nice with V suriving.
 
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MeinChurro

MeinChurro

Forum regular
#926
Dec 15, 2020
AKANexus said:
Yeah, but as BGM45 said, they are totally commited to make the game work on last-gen and iron-out the bugs, so even if we get a 100% consensus that we need better endings, we still won't get anything for quite some time... Until then, I've read so many people have lost all their will to replay the game after learning about the other endings other than the one they picked that I wouldn't be surprised if most people gave up on the game after 3 or 4 months...
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I don't care how long it takes. If CDPR wants to waste time on last gen, then let them. Even if it takes them a long time to finally fix this, I will, in the end, be happy.

Guys, I've been catching up on this thread if these replies are out of date.
 
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Motsie

Motsie

Forum regular
#927
Dec 15, 2020
BGM45 said:
the first part is mostly speculation based on the fact that they need to add these functions somehow.

the AI thing is from their latest investors' call, question 12. anyone can download the transcript, as I understand. rather fascinating reading, really.
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Thanks, I completely missed Q12 somehow. It's certainly promising that they have at least addressed the state of the AI. I hope we can get some kind of address on the story stuff.

I'm not as burned by the Aldecaldos ending because I see it as a glass half-full situation, but I know it's important to people here to get some definitive closure on V's fate.
 
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Nekatinyz

Nekatinyz

Forum regular
#928
Dec 15, 2020
People who say it's right that V has no chance of survival.
The problem is not that it devalues the character, in any case, the problem is that it devalues the plot, most players will not want to return to the game because in any case, everything ends badly, if in the dlc, no matter how they put it, the ending of our main character will also be bad, then this will again lower the number of players
After all, no matter how cool it is, it is a fact that the majority of people like good endings and this is the main incentive to try the game or wait for dlc. i liked all the endings, each one is unique in its own way(of course, there is a favorite), but after the first passage, most of them return to the game for the sake of a good ending, making one good ending, but difficult to get, will only improve the game and increase interest in the game
 
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RayBotty

RayBotty

Forum regular
#929
Dec 15, 2020
Motsie said:
Well, hopefully not in a DLC but I'd like to see some kind of outfit room where we can choose a style while retaining the function of clothes with good stats. Transmogrification or something.



Well, I went through their investors meeting transcript and one investor asked what their plans are in regards to criticism surrounding the story and gameplay:
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Reading that transcript I couldn't help but notice that they didn't actually answer the part about player feedback regarding story and gameplay. It was all about technical issues. Did that meeting take place before or after this thread got started?
 
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MandyZGaming

MandyZGaming

Forum regular
#930
Dec 15, 2020
Simuxas said:
No need to change them, easiest way to fix this is give us one or couple of additional endings that ends up nice with V suriving.
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Yep, surviving should be in at least one ending. And our choices should be respected in the ending as well. Like some romances just abruptly end, what is sad because you need to do a lot to make them possible. also the choices of how you play should be a factor. Our choices going through the story don´t matter at all.
 
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vahouth

vahouth

Senior user
#931
Dec 15, 2020
I wonder, how many of you guys have seen Altered Carbon?

Because the premise of that series (the stack) is similar to the biochip constructs.
 
MeinChurro

MeinChurro

Forum regular
#932
Dec 15, 2020
AKANexus said:
And that, my friend, is how a modding community starts :cool:
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I guess, but a modders cuts will never be canon. The only thing I am hoping for from modders are maybe balance changes, or fixes.
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BGM45 said:
I heard talks about all this + barbershops, car customization and dismantling loot right on the enemies being planned as "free DLCs", whatever they mean. it's also reported that they are treating their dummy AI as a bug and working on fixing it too. as much as I want anything story-related, there hundreds of problems they have to solve first to not go belly up in the next several months.

(also, the whole "our AI is dumb because of a bug" reminds me of the infamous "typo in the code made Aliens stupid" debacle with Colonial Marines. how many examples of incompetence can CDPR portray in one release?)
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Free DLC that is effectively worthless because they made people not want to play their game again. It's a sad joke.
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GreyRaconteur said:
I suspect that a lot of YouTubers, beyond what you're saying, are also not talking about it because of how new the game is, and don't want to start making videos on it until it becomes a wider known thing that people are unhappy with.
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You mean, they are milking the audience.
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eriberri said:
That's a fair point. Although I did find it funny when one Cyberpunk-centric youtube channel was talking about how hopefully DLC would include more weapons and clothing, and I'm thinking 'that's what you'd choose to add in DLC, of all things possible'? lol. But to each his own, I guess!
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Better than rocking the boat, and potentially losing out on those sweet sweet review copies, amiright?!
 
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Nekatinyz

Nekatinyz

Forum regular
#933
Dec 15, 2020
vahouth said:
I wonder, how many of you guys have seen Altered Carbon?

Because the premise of that series (the stack) is similar to the biochip constructs.
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I saw, this version of future is much darker, but even it saves the life of the main character, and red does not
 
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kaz_ds

kaz_ds

Forum regular
#934
Dec 15, 2020
Simuxas said:
No need to change them, easiest way to fix this is give us one or couple of additional endings that ends up nice with V suriving.
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I hope so my man, but even then I doubt it, it seems they are content with the story. Nobody really complained about it, the performance issues took center stage. But there are lot of us here that didn't like how it ended, I hope we get something.
 
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MeinChurro

MeinChurro

Forum regular
#935
Dec 15, 2020
hismastersvoice said:
Okay, yeah, that gave me a good laugh. Thanks.
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It should, because this game offers nothing. Thanks for sharing! :ohstopit:
 
KakitaTatsumaru

KakitaTatsumaru

Forum veteran
#936
Dec 15, 2020
hismastersvoice said:
Whether V is dead or not depend entirely on your interpretation of what the Soulkiller engram is. Silverhand appears to consider himself continuos between the pre and post Soulkiller versions. Alt Cunningham definitely thinks of herself/itself as continuos based on her answer to one of V's questions. So I'd wager the game considers V's engram to be, well, V.
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I consider myself as God, does that makes me God for everyone?
 
Kikinho

Kikinho

Senior user
#937
Dec 15, 2020
kaz_ds said:
I hope so my man, but even then I doubt it, it seems they are content with the story. Nobody really complained about it, the performance issues took center stage. But there are lot of us here that didn't like how it ended, I hope we get something.
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I think it will pick up as more and more people finish the game and find out about it. I think the average player will take maybe weeks even to finish the game.
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#938
Dec 15, 2020
kaz_ds said:
I hope so my man, but even then I doubt it, it seems they are content with the story. Nobody really complained about it, the performance issues took center stage. But there are lot of us here that didn't like how it ended, I hope we get something.
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Well many people still aren't done with the main story, give it some bit more time. And their focus now are fixing the games technical issues and bugs rather than ending of the story (would be nice to get a positive response though so we can put this thing at rest for a bit).
 
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TheR3aper2000

TheR3aper2000

Fresh user
#939
Dec 15, 2020
MeinChurro said:
Right? What exactly did they learn? The Witcher 1 was a better RPG than this! If anything all they did was forget.
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:giveup:

SCREW Johnny! Seriously! I am not going to be manipulated by cdpr into picking their desired ending. That dude doesn't deserve a second chance of life! It's not even JOHNNY! Real V dying for A COPY of Johnny Silverhand! It's insane!
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My point is either you kill Johnny (or his engram if you're thinking of it that way) immediately and V dies in 6 months anyways, or you let the engram of Johnny have a second chance as quite literally a new person. The epilogue for that ending does a fairly good job at indicating this by showing that Johnny hasn't - and never will - forget V and what they did for him. It is the ending in which you can see that V's actions had a serious impact on him and changed him which is at least somewhat satisfying to see in my opinion (versus the other endings where V essentially falls off the face of the Earth with zero impact).
 
MeinChurro

MeinChurro

Forum regular
#940
Dec 15, 2020
Simuxas said:
I wouldn't say Valhalla is better rpg, not even close, but people have different tastes. What kills CP2077 is taht the ending choices don't appeal to most of the people at all, so it breaks RPG element quite hard.
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You guys are misunderstanding. It is a better RPG, your choices impact the story more than this game. I never said it had a better story, or was a better game. I made a joke that ASSASSINS CREED of all things has more player agency, than CDPR's crowning jewel. :facepalm:

For that matter, if this game was such a great RPG, why don't any of you want to go and experience all the choices again? Get back to me.
 
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