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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 503 42.1%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 122 10.2%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 353 29.5%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 217 18.2%

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CitizenMigraine

CitizenMigraine

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#10,341
Jan 3, 2021
bcraig6010 said:
I hope youre right... I would prefer a story about V and have some agency, any agency really - instead of merely being forcibly taken over by another person and playing their story and resolving their issues... and so much effort into saving yourself - to be told nope not gonna happen.
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At this point, I'd take an ending where V wakes up from a nightmare of a botched heist that ended with a gunshot to the head.
 
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CasperTheGhost

CasperTheGhost

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#10,342
Jan 3, 2021
CitizenMigraine said:
At this point, I'd take an ending where V wakes up from a nightmare of a botched heist that ended with a gunshot to the head.
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strangely enough that's pretty close to how i hoped star wars episode 9 was going to start...
 
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CitizenMigraine

CitizenMigraine

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#10,343
Jan 3, 2021
CasperTheGhost said:
strangely enough that's pretty close to how i hoped star wars episode 9 was going to start...
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:ROFLMAO:
 
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bcraig6010

Senior user
#10,344
Jan 3, 2021
CitizenMigraine said:
At this point, I'd take an ending where V wakes up from a nightmare of a botched heist that ended with a gunshot to the head.
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or an option to turn down Dex's quest and play the game in the open world as MY V - not reaped by johnny and chip - but my character in night city.

or the ability to tell Dex who killed Soboru and then try and keep away from hunters for you..

just let MY choices matter... not every decision is meaningless as its johnnys story in my characters body hes forcibly and non-consensually taking from me
 
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CitizenMigraine

CitizenMigraine

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#10,345
Jan 3, 2021
bcraig6010 said:
or an option to turn down Dex's quest and play the game in the open world as MY V - not reaped by johnny and chip - but my character in night city.

or the ability to tell Dex who killed Soboru and then try and keep away from hunters for you..

just let MY choices matter... not every decision is meaningless as its johnnys story in my characters body hes forcibly and non-consensually taking from me
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These choices are WORLDS better than what we got because......they're CHOICES
 
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CasperTheGhost

CasperTheGhost

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#10,346
Jan 3, 2021
at this point i kind of feel like i'm in a version of moby dick, but i can't tell if i'm ahab or the whale...
 
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bcraig6010

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#10,347
Jan 3, 2021
CitizenMigraine said:
These choices are WORLDS better than what we got because......they're CHOICES
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choices ,except how to die after being nonconsensually reaped by outside forces, are not allowed in RPGs nowadays - especially made by super edgy cdpr nowadays.

The fact that the game, because of the endings boiled down to....
your characters mind and body will be forcibly taken from you
your consent is meaningless
your attempts to mitigate are meaningless
your decisions to help or hinder through medication are meaningless
all the choices ill not matter

just please lie back and enjoy as this nonconsensual taking of your mind and body occurs

and when we finally give you the right to say no....

the body which now belongs to your reaper will not allow you to remain in it for a few months before you die
"its Johnny's body now"

but please lie back and enjoy what is being done to you
 
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SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Senior user
#10,348
Jan 3, 2021
CasperTheGhost said:
at this point i kind of feel like i'm in a version of moby dick, but i can't tell if i'm ahab or the whale...
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The ship, carrying Ahab (Johny), hunting his obsession (Arasaka)
 
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rippercityransom

rippercityransom

Forum regular
#10,349
Jan 3, 2021
bcraig6010 said:
I hope youre right... I would prefer a story about V and have some agency, any agency really - instead of merely being forcibly taken over by another person and playing their story and resolving their issues... and so much effort into saving yourself - to be told nope not gonna happen.

but if you think the company that gave us the three color ending where no choices matter and the willing to release rushed unfished game DA2 is getting more of my money.. ill pass.
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I actually liked DA2, weirdly enough. As for the other bits, I don’t have much choice. It’s how I keep getting bamboozled. There aren’t many games (not visual novels, real games with gameplay) that offer custom characters/ability to play as a woman and romanceable companions so I just have to hope each time a game drops while promising those features they don’t completely screw it up.

Last time it was Andromeda promising more content... that came in the form of a book instead of DLC. Now Cyberpunk... did this, so the chances the game industry will ever get it right are looking pretty slim but I just gotta believe. If not through CDPR expansions then some miracle lol
 
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CasperTheGhost

CasperTheGhost

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#10,350
Jan 3, 2021
SaulTuk said:
The ship, carrying Ahab (Johny), hunting his obsession (Arasaka)
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so, i've got a name like pequod now... great (sigh)
 
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CitizenMigraine

CitizenMigraine

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#10,351
Jan 3, 2021
CasperTheGhost said:
so, i've got a name like pequod now... great (sigh)
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V'quod
 
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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

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#10,352
Jan 3, 2021
Hammerstein said:
Only that the hero in Hemingway's book actually did something remarkable and helped most of his friends to get away and survive. Unlike here:

Jackie - dead
T-Bug - dead
Evelyn - dead
Saul - dead
Rogue - dead
Judy&Panam - heart broken in the space casino ending
Misty - sad
Mama Welles - super sad
Vector - sad

....and so on.
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I dunno crippling Arasaka or making it the most powerful corporation in the world is important. Also, a lot of those people live and only die if you take them to be killed.

A short list of good that V does is:

* Saves the Aldecados from the Raffin Shiv
* Saves the cyberpsychos from being killed
* Takes down a bunch of horrible criminals as part of the Merc for Hire
* Rescues a bunch of people with the "Rescue" quest
* Rescues two teenage boys from a pedophile serial killer with River
* Saves a bunch of people in the Assaults including human trafficking victims, mass executions, and muggings
* Wiped out one of the gangs of Night City or saved them from destruction (Voodoo Boys)
 
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bcraig6010

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#10,353
Jan 3, 2021
rippercityransom said:
I actually liked DA2, weirdly enough. As for the other bits, I don’t have much choice. It’s how I keep getting bamboozled. There aren’t many games (not visual novels, real games with gameplay) that offer custom characters/ability to play as a woman and romanceable companions so I just have to hope each time a game drops while promising those features they don’t completely screw it up.

Last time it was Andromeda promising more content... that came in the form of a book instead of DLC. Now Cyberpunk... did this, so the chances the game industry will ever get it right are looking pretty slim but I just gotta believe. If not through CDPR expansions then some miracle lol
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I agree with much of what you say. Its why this game was so hyped - the company that gave us a great RPG is making a cyberpunk game RPG
... then took away all choice and agency so the game is on rails following johnnys story

I don't see them resolving or fixing V's story.. as would be admitting they messed up with endings (see bioware digging in heels vs people screaming at them over their endings)

and their developers tweating out "just because you didnt like it doesnt make it bad" its bioware ME3 bubble all over again.
And andreomeda didnt get any more content as it didnt meet sales expectations... 2077 has not met sales expectations
 
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CasperTheGhost

CasperTheGhost

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#10,354
Jan 3, 2021
or i'll make an apt quote from the game again... "im going to kill you, and there's no cake."

---edit) sums up the ending pretty well, no?
 
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bcraig6010

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#10,355
Jan 3, 2021
Willowhugger said:
I dunno crippling Arasaka or making it the most powerful corporation in the world is important. Also, a lot of those people live and only die if you take them to be killed.

A short list of good that V does is:

* Saves the Aldecados from the Raffin Shiv {aldecados so weak could save saul from wraiths yet going to invite them on suicide mission against arasaka and militech - passed on nomad ending to not get any of them killed}
* Saves the cyberpsychos from being killed {which can be done without slotting the chip}
* Takes down a bunch of horrible criminals as part of the Merc for Hire {also can be done without slotting the chip}
* Rescues a bunch of people with the "Rescue" quest {which can be done without slotting the chip}
* Rescues two teenage boys from a pedophile serial killer with River {Yep}
* Saves a bunch of people in the Assaults including human trafficking victims, mass executions, and muggings {Yep}
* Wiped out one of the gangs of Night City or saved them from destruction (Voodoo Boys)
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Being a devil's advocate: see {} above
all those quests would be available and should matter.. but none matter to you.. or the coda..

let us like skyrim ignore the doomed main quest and go off and do those things in the world....
 
SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Senior user
#10,356
Jan 3, 2021
Willowhugger said:
I dunno crippling Arasaka or making it the most powerful corporation in the world is important. Also, a lot of those people live and only die if you take them to be killed.

A short list of good that V does is:

* Saves the Aldecados from the Raffin Shiv
* Saves the cyberpsychos from being killed
* Takes down a bunch of horrible criminals as part of the Merc for Hire
* Rescues a bunch of people with the "Rescue" quest
* Rescues two teenage boys from a pedophile serial killer with River
* Saves a bunch of people in the Assaults including human trafficking victims, mass executions, and muggings
* Wiped out one of the gangs of Night City or saved them from destruction (Voodoo Boys)
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To be exact, Panam isn't heartbroken in Crystal Palace enging. Yes, she isn't glad, but both in cutscene and voicemail in credits she is like "Okay, babe, i'm off, see ya when you're done with this job and join me". I see no broken hurt, no breakup.
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

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#10,357
Jan 3, 2021
bcraig6010 said:
Being a devil's advocate: see {} above
all those quests would be available and should matter.. but none matter to you.. or the coda..

let us like skyrim ignore the doomed main quest and go off and do those things in the world....
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Honestly, Skyrim's least interesting quest is the main quest and it has as many complaints as the Cyberpunk Main quest.

Most people play it for the Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, and Companions.
 
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bcraig6010

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#10,358
Jan 3, 2021
CasperTheGhost said:
or i'll make an apt quote from the game again... "im going to kill you, and there's no cake."

---edit) sums up the ending pretty well, no?
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just imagine if a choice on a quest matters.. you merge Dels into new AI Del and because you made that choice instead of ulterior motive ALT - you have an AI that actually likes you to help you

but choices dont matter and you have no agency
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Willowhugger said:
Honestly, Skyrim's least interesting quest is the main quest and it has as many complaints as the Cyberpunk Main quest.

Most people play it for the Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, and Companions.
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which is my point - how many times can you replay a no choices matter main quest going to torture you until you choose to die or have some time left vs. main mission not mandatory - go explore night city and do quests
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

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#10,359
Jan 3, 2021
bcraig6010 said:
just imagine if a choice on a quest matters.. you merge Dels into new AI Del and because you made that choice instead of ulterior motive ALT - you have an AI that actually likes you to help you

but choices dont matter and you have no agency
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which is my point - how many times can you replay a no choices matter main quest going to torture you until you choose to die or have some time left vs. main mission not mandatory - go explore night city and do quests
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That's not really a good argument because I played out all the endings to see them and I don't think they're remotely similar.

Its weird, I don't even LIKE the endings as is and have a bunch of complaints but it's like complaining about Mass Effect 3's graphics.

No, that's not what bothers me about them. The endings are completely different to me. I have a bunch of complaints about "similarity" isn't one of them.
 
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bcraig6010

Senior user
#10,360
Jan 3, 2021
Willowhugger said:
That's not really a good argument because I played out all the endings to see them and I don't think they're remotely similar.

Its weird, I don't even LIKE the endings as is and have a bunch of complaints but it's like complaining about Mass Effect 3's graphics.

No, that's not what bothers me about them. The endings are completely different to me. I have a bunch of complaints about "similarity" isn't one of them.
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I mean the main quest...
other than solo arasaka run which requires high johnny percentage...
and wether you did the nomad quests to trigger that option


no other choice in the game has any effect, in any way, to any degree - other than the pick your color ending on the balcony.
you can still choose arasaka (die and engram stays in mikoshi vs come back with parts of brain missing)
do tiny quest for johnny / who the game is really about and: have johnny and rogue assault tower (die and merge into ALT beyond blackwall vs come back for short period of three months assaulting's space station )

no other choice matters in a role playing game
none
other than choose your color ending on the balcony
 
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