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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 503 42.1%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 122 10.2%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 353 29.5%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 217 18.2%

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Tanad

Tanad

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#10,401
Jan 3, 2021
Hope you guys made copy of the thread. Xmas break is over. CDPR will be back to work and thread might mysteriously vanish before press get's wind of it.
 
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Eakani

Forum regular
#10,402
Jan 3, 2021
Willowhugger said:
Another reason why I think the Mystery Box is canon?

Mr. Blue Eyes in the Peralez quest flat out calls you (NOT using your Cellphone but mind-linking with you) and says that he knows what you want.
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You mean the left box that shows 90%? It show 90% befor the last mission, ever checked it after? In your new apartment or at the tank with panam, not after the set back, than it is still 90%.
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#10,403
Jan 3, 2021
Eakani said:
You mean the left box that shows 90%? It show 90% befor the last mission, ever checked it after? In your new apartment or at the tank with panam, not after the set back, than it is still 90%.
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The Right Box and Jonny Box are the ones you can't fill up.

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Johnny Box reaching 70% unlocks the secret ending.

I assume Countdown reaching higher numbers will do the same.
 
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Eakani

Forum regular
#10,404
Jan 3, 2021
Willowhugger said:
The Right Box and Jonny Box are the ones you can't fill up.

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Johnny Box reaching 70% unlocks the secret ending.

I assume Countdown reaching higher numbers will do the same.
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Not sure about the Johnny box, but you don't want the right box go up, thats the status of the relic killing you.

EDIT: Doesn't need the 70%, just the right answers in " Chippin In"
 
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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

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#10,405
Jan 3, 2021
Eakani said:
Not sure about the Johnny box, but you don't want the right box go up, thats the status of the relic killing you.
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It goes up as you continue to gather stuff to cure yourself. So I assume when it hits 100% you'll be able to cure yourself completely.

If it was counting down, it'd be going down.
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#10,406
Jan 3, 2021
Willowhugger said:
It goes up as you continue to gather stuff to cure yourself. So I assume when it hits 100% you'll be able to cure yourself completely.

If it was counting down, it'd be going down.
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Read the description its a death timer, which only goes to 40%, it is not the cure meter.
 
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Eakani

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#10,407
Jan 3, 2021
Willowhugger said:
It goes up as you continue to gather stuff to cure yourself. So I assume when it hits 100% you'll be able to cure yourself completely.

If it was counting down, it'd be going down.
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I understand it as integrity of the chip, because the sentences become more dramatic the higher it comes.
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#10,408
Jan 3, 2021
Eakani said:
Not sure about the Johnny box, but you don't want the right box go up, thats the status of the relic killing you.

EDIT: Doesn't need the 70%, just the right answers in " Chippin In"
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So even Johnny meter does nothing in the gamr, lovely. Why the hell are they even there then.

I guess you need to reach it to unlock chiping in, still, none of them provide anything.
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#10,409
Jan 3, 2021
Simuxas said:
Read the description its a death timer, which only goes to 40%, it is not the cure meter.
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Hence 40% can go further up. Unlock more endings.
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Simuxas said:
So even Johnny meter does nothing in the gamr, lovely. Why the hell are they even there then.
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I gave the right answers and only got 60%

casbyness said:
I'm not even sure what the writers were going for. It almost seems like their 'canon' ending is where Johnny takes over V's body, whilst V vanishes into the internet. But I donn't see any worthwhile 'message' in this resolution, there's nothing noteworthy or meaningful about V dying so the engram can continue in V's body. It's just very morbid and bleak.

More importantly, that ending just highlights the game's massive elephant in the room that never gets addressed. Johnny's engram is NOT Johnny himself. The real Johnny was born, lived his life and then died. The engram imprinted on V's chip is just a copy of Johnny, therefore killing V so that copy can live out a new life is an incredibly dark ending - the original Johnny would have hated to have murdered V in such a way.

It's very odd how the story is written as if Johnny's engram is Johnny himself back from the dead, instead of acknowledging that it's just a copy that's acting as random neuro-malware and killing an innocent person.
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This isn't SOMA. I'm pretty sure that the game flat out rejects the idea that engrams are meaningfully different from the people they are created from.

Mind you, the game developers flat out had Jonny give his opinion on it.

V: You don't worry about being the real Johnny or not? That you're in heaven or dead?

Jonny: No, I find that meaningless bullshit for people with no lives to debate on the Net.
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#10,410
Jan 3, 2021
Willowhugger said:
Hence 40% can go further up. Unlock more endings.
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I gave the right answers and only got 60%
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This isn't SOMA. I'm pretty sure that the game flat out rejects the idea that engrams are meaningfully different from the people they are created from.
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It should be kept low, so that the engram dont rewrite the brain further. But we cant do that, it serves no purpose anyway.
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#10,411
Jan 3, 2021
Simuxas said:
It should be kept low, so that the engram dont rewrite the brain further. But we cant do that, it serves no purpose anyway.
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The boxes not being able to reach 100% tells me that we have more content regarding them coming our way.
 
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Eakani

Forum regular
#10,412
Jan 3, 2021
Willowhugger said:
Hence 40% can go further up. Unlock more endings.
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I gave the right answers and only got 60%
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I really don't wanna see endings with the right box higher than 40%, endings can only become worse.

Arasaka: Your brain is a total mess, we can't put you into Mikoshi
Alt: Your engram is broken, i don't want you merged with me

Or you only have 2 month lelt to live. No thanks ;)
 
Barsenthor

Barsenthor

Senior user
#10,413
Jan 3, 2021
Eakani said:
I understand it as integrity of the chip, because the sentences become more dramatic the higher it comes.
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Because it was maybe a thing in the early build of the game, same tha fact that there NCPD in this game that works as it works.

Many features are just missing or are half baked. Those sentences and whole scales was left because since they were already made and are not looking completely out of place.
 
Hammerstein

Hammerstein

Forum regular
#10,414
Jan 3, 2021
Getting brain wiped and playing on as an engram with a 6 months shelf life, really irked me.

Why does the game force these idiotic choices upon me? Why is there no way to antagonize Arasaka but still reject Johnny?
 
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bcraig6010

Senior user
#10,415
Jan 3, 2021
Willowhugger said:
Hence 40% can go further up. Unlock more endings.
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I gave the right answers and only got 60%



This isn't SOMA. I'm pretty sure that the game flat out rejects the idea that engrams are meaningfully different from the people they are created from.

Mind you, the game developers flat out had Jonny give his opinion on it.

V: You don't worry about being the real Johnny or not? That you're in heaven or dead?

Jonny: No, I find that meaningless bullshit for people with no lives to debate on the Net.
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mind you are ignoring what the other source says and focusing on the person who doesn't care about spirituality at all..
AI ALT - I am not alt cunningham, I am merely based upon her

which is also the game developers speaking....
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#10,416
Jan 3, 2021
Hammerstein said:
Getting brain wiped and playing on as an engram with a 6 months shelf life, really irked me.

Why does the game force these idiotic choices upon me? Why is there no way to antagonize Arasaka but still reject Johnny?
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I think if you have your mind wiped and are replaced with a backup, you are not meaningful changed.

My computer rebooting is not somehow a different computer unless you're a Philosophy 101 student.

It's like Wolfenstein: The New Order where that girl goes, "You die everytime you go to sleep! Continuity of consciousness!"

BJ just looks at her and goes, "Lady, you are seriously stupid."
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bcraig6010 said:
mind you are ignoring what the other source says and focusing on the person who doesn't care about spirituality at all..
AI ALT - I am not alt cunningham, I am merely based upon her
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She also affirms the immortal soul exists, much to Johnny's chagrin.
 
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Eakani

Forum regular
#10,417
Jan 3, 2021
Barsenthor said:
Because it was maybe a thing in the early build of the game, same tha fact that there NCPD in this game that works as it works.

Many features are just missing or are half baked. Those sentences and whole scales was left because since they were already made and are not looking completely out of place.
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Maybe there was more to it, something like it raises and you can bring it back down with pills or at a ripperdoc. Another "hurry up, you die" reminder ;)
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#10,418
Jan 3, 2021
Eakani said:
Maybe there was more to it, something like it raises and you can bring it back down with pills or at a ripperdoc. Another "hurry up, you die" reminder ;)
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Given that the DLC will be tied to your condition, I'm pretty sure there will be more.
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#10,419
Jan 3, 2021
Willowhugger said:
Given that the DLC will be tied to your condition, I'm pretty sure there will be more.
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Nobody knows what dlc is gonna be about.
 
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topmoinger

topmoinger

Fresh user
#10,420
Jan 3, 2021
Willowhugger said:
Well they took down Arasaka so it shouldn't be an issue getting it from them.
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This is silly and shows a clear disregard for some of the realities of the plot. A lot of the elder members of the Aldecados died during the Arasaka siege, Mitch straight up says that he can't believe you guys got out of there alive. It was for all intent and purposes a suicide mission. You're reminded of that repeatedly DURING the siege as heavy casualties are constantly being reported, Mitch had to fry his brain and become a vegetable for a week just to get the rest of the nomads out alive. And you're also reminded AFTER you're done with the siege that this was indeed a massive undertaking that led to many loses. Panam is visibly dejected, alludes to the fact that the nomads are probably on Arasaka's hit list, however still show optimism about the future. Still, to just say that the Nomads are in any condition to now to just mount another assault is absurd. I know they steal a lot of tech, but nonetheless, the nomads are at a difficult spot at the end of the game. Like I said, the attitude with Panam after the Arasaka raid is very somber.

Willowhugger said:
Don't try to pretend to be right to win an internet argument. Don't ignore evidence and lie to your fellow posters. It isn't worth it. Be better than that.

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Also, you put so much emphasis on the tarots and declare them to be the writers' narrative tool that is objectively telling you how the game ends. Yet, you overlook Panam's phone call at the end. In the call she is basically canceling some plans she had with you, and references the fact that this isn't the first time this has happened. She sounds worn down and fatigued as she states herself she's coming to terms on what it means to be the chieftain of a nomad family.
Clan just took heavy casualties especially a lot of experienced members, including one of their leaders, Saul, and now the nomads are trying to start over on a new place which didn't turn out to well for the last time. This is a massive undertaking and a critical time when the family is currently wounded and fragmented. They need leadership, they need guidance, they need mentorship. They are fighting for their survival and trying to reestablish themselves. But simultaneously, your character only has 6 months to live, and as Takemaru tells you, by the 5th month you will be bedridden so you technically have even less time than that. Panam is the sole leader of this clan, and as the call highlights, V’s wellbeing and the responsibility she has to her family are already coming to odds. These "plans" could be important, this could be something pertaining to your health, or something as simple as spending the little bit of time you have left together. Just shows you, there is more ambiguity to that ending that you care to admit.

Now if you want to headcanon that V finds a cure and lives happily, you're more than welcomed to do so. There is reason to believe that could happen, and I'm not implying that it doesn't. Just simply refuting your claim that the writers have outright told the player that the Aldecado ending implies V lives or that everything goes well.
 
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