And Cintra defeat wasn’t due to the fact that Calethe didn’t wa kept her end of the bargain and the Destiny that is the highest “goddess” in this universe decided to punished her?
*cough* a-bombs in Japan *cough*
It saved lots of lives vaporizing thousands of people and watch the rest die of radiation sickness.
Yep. Only people my V killed?
* Snuff Film Editors
* Jotaru the Snuff Film Maker
* Voodoo Boys (okay, more than five) for Evelyn
* Woodman
* Adam Smasher
* The Raffen Shiv with Panam's Tank
Everyone else I left stunned on the ground for the police to deal with. Weirdly, in my RP, I had my V wondering if he should execute Scavengers and Maelstrom because the cops can't be trusted.
Nah, isn't the whole idea that there is no heroism in this universe? Noone says that Arasaka aren't "evil" or cold and calculative.
But in a world where hope is futile for a better world. Siding with the winning party, especially when they potentially have a cure for your terminal disease is a perfectly valid choice.
Well yeah because otherwise an endless stream of police spawns in and flatlines ur ass lol
I am one of those people who believe Japan was ready to surrender beforehand. I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic or not, though.
I guess the game has a certain way of telling us who deserves death.
Good question. . .
Back on topic, please: Cyberpunk's endings. We've an entire Witcher Forum, for anyone who wants to discuss the lore from that series. As for political, or idealogical discussions unrelated to Cyberpunk's contents: No.
I disagree.
firstly, Pavetta died accidentally. Emhyr didn't know it would happen as Vilgefortz didn't tell him.
secondly, his whole plan to have a child with Ciri wasn't born out of his perverse desire for incest, it was a completely political move. he needed legitimacy. when he got False Ciri instead, he settled and got a nice share of character development from it. I'd argue he didn't go through with the rape, in the end, because he would never go through with it in the first place.
he is a ruler who has been humiliated and cast out of his own country. he's is also shown to be pretty inept when it comes to reading people considering how many times he's betrayed. he's haunted by what happened to his father, stressed by a growing unrest among the opposition, and he needs his conquest to succeed if he wants to hold the throne. he's just another person trying to do what he thinks is right, just like Geralt, just like Vilgefortz, just like thousands of Scoiataels. it's not black, it's not even grey, it's just human. messy.
as someone has already said, history is written by those who win. in this regard, Emhyr's only real fault is that he's lost. and people living and working in Nilfgaard - or any other dictatorship - or working for Arasaka - aren't bad people just because they do. everyone needs to survive, everyone wants to be happy - not the first league and glory stuff, just pure human happiness and safety. there is a side quest about a cook and his sister who went to work for a corp. her friends are furious, but the cook is happy because they finally have some stability in life. good for you, if you can have stability without having to compromise your high moral standing. not everyone can, for reasons out of their control.
black and white view of the world is cute and all, but absolutely unrealistic.
edit: oops, sorry, posted without seeing mod's reply.
despite everything the game tried really hard to make an Arasaka default choice and not even by fact.
My male V choose of Panam for various reasons but i won’t consider him as my main.
Simply because I value Nomads too much and won’t ask them for a suicide mission that is storming Arasaka HQ.
Just no.
Especially if there are other options like make Arasaka fight Arasaka plus having no dealings with shady AI plus having guaranteed Johnny scrapping.
Not killing someone is kinda meaningless if you consider how many die to save Vs ass anyways.
+the people who defend the drill, that go up in flames while you are firing with the basilisk
+the nomads that die during that task
+all the people Alt roasted in the Arasaka tower
+all the people hoping for a second life, that got merged to Alt
+the people who defend the drill, that go up in flames while you are firing with the basilisk
+the nomads that die during that task
+all the people Alt roasted in the Arasaka tower
+all the people hoping for a second life, that got merged to Alt
That is something that Johnny actually brings up in one of the more intelligent pieces of writing of the game. "Is this really worth it?"
It is also the justification for the suicide ending I believe too.
My V, being a transhumanist, doesn't think Alt killed anyone but kind of wishes she did. Because fuck Arasaka.
I wouldn't be surprised if the villain in Cyberpunk 2080 will be Saburo trying to take over Alt.
Well you say that, but the narrative does a pretty clear job at making the Arasaka be the bad ending. You get scolded by Jhonny and Misty, you don't get to see any of your loved ones and then the devil card showing up in the puzzle.
My decision to join that Arasaka solution had two factors involved. One was that I valued Takemura, he worked hard to get the whole meeting happen and the madman pulled it off. And the second is that Alt did a horrible job at selling Soulkiller as a viable option without heavy consequences. So to me after meeting with Alt the first time, it was clear as day which path to go with.
I wouldn't choose it anyways, my V wants to live..
My prefered end would be a mix of "Don't fear the reaper" and "the Star" plus Alt saying "i have restored most of the damage and slow down the decay, you will have around 10 years to live"
I mean going Solo against Arasaka, no one that means something to you will die, Johnny gets revenge and we get something like a cure. Than live the last 10 years with the Nomads and Judy. Not 100% happy, but way better than anything else we have. At least for me.
I agree.
If I rewrote the game, it wouldn't be six months to live. I'd have Vic say you had six months to live (maybe less if you exert yourself--which you obviously must). That way you could justify your V taking on all of those operations to score Eddies and contacts while you're researching a cure.
Ten years sounds reasonable.
If I rewrote the game, it wouldn't be six months to live. I'd have Vic say you had six months to live (maybe less if you exert yourself--which you obviously must). That way you could justify your V taking on all of those operations to score Eddies and contacts while you're researching a cure.
Ten years sounds reasonable.
And the game shows Alt, Vik, Helman and others are saying exactly the contrary.
Mitsy says nothing about a live long and prosper ending. You keep saying that those are the proof that the game has happy ending, but there is nothing except your interpretation, your subjectivity. So far, you rest all your conclusions on Mitsy and the Tarot, and some words uttered by Panam to comfort V. That's no proof.
Besides, the merging in Deus ex is transcendance : Denton is still there. The merging with alt is not, it's assimilation : V is gone, Alt is still there. And if you followed what the program "secure your soul is" or what the soulkiller actually does, there is no way you become a god of a demon in the matrix.
I understand that you draw your own conclusions, but just as yours assertions about the NET in cyberpunk, they are not valid.
And the game says they're wrong.
Misty says a happy life. Maybe its not a long one but combined with what Panam says I think otherwise.
But hey, you believe what you want.
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I strongly disagree.
Your headcanon is fine but interpreting the story against the developer's wishes and canon is a personal choice and not helpful in a discussion of what's actually in the game.
If you died in Panam's ending there would be a statement you did.
A 6 month left message for a character that is just 27 years old, if i remember correct, is just to hard. Live just started for V.
10 years aren't great but better and finding a cure will get way better chances. At least for my headcanon.