[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[SaulTuk]

Unlike what is depicted in Cyberpunk 2077, Johnny is not a petty rocker of the local scene. Johnny is already a star. Johnny has signed with some entertainment corp and is not a no-one but generates tens of thousands of benefits. Even Arasaka thinks twice about icing some rockerboy acclaimed worldwide.

Johnny Silverhand

Johnny Silverhand, born Robert John Linder,[1][Twitter 1] was a famous and influential rockerboy and lead singer of the band Samurai before its breakup in 2008.[2] A military veteran who defined the rockerboy movement as it is known today, Silverhand was the most prominent figure who fought...

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You mean, you can openly commit the act of terrorism and neither your victim, neither NCPD, will not touch you after that because you're famous and profitable rockstar?!) I mean his attempt to save Alt in 2013

 

[CTPhipps]

You mean, you can openly commit the act of terrorism and neither your victim, neither NCPD, will not touch you after that because you're famous and profitable rockstar?!)

Yeah, it's kind of funny because Mike Pondsmith probably had to remind him that Johnny died in the tabletop game timeline.

You can't go back after a nuke.

Publicly, their identities aren't known. They were just a Militech assault team. Also, the US President said it was SABURO who nuked the Arasaka Building as a way to deny Night City to the US government.

 

[SaulTuk]

Yeah, it's kind of funny because Mike Pondsmith probably had to remind him that Johnny died in the tabletop game timeline.

You can't go back after a nuke.

Publicly, their identities aren't known. They were just a Militech assault team. Also, the US President said it was SABURO who nuked the Arasaka Building as a way to deny Night City to the US government.

I mean his raid to save Alt in 2013. After that he openly lived in NC, no problems at all.

 

[CTPhipps]

I mean his raid to save Alt in 2013. After that he openly lived in NC, no problems at all.

The Fourth Corporate War had Arasaka distracted after that.

Besides, killing a bunch of employees by mercs is just the price of business in Night City.

Remember its' a setting where every Edgerunner has probably killed dozens of corporate employees working for other corpos.

 

[CitizenMigraine]

Hey, quick question, during the Johnny mission to drop the nuke down the elevator shaft, can anyone explain why it takes to long for it to detonate? Johnny had time to do his side mission of uploading that virus or whatever, confront Adam Smasher, get to the roof to confront Smasher again, then get carted off to get interrogated by Saburo before the thing went off. Did I miss something?

 

[CTPhipps]

HORRIFYING FACT:

V attacking Arasaka HQ, blowing up Mikoshi, and exposing Secure Your Soul only caused Arasaka stock to drop 17%. Which is less than what Cyberpunk 2077's bad reception did to CD Projekt Red.

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Hey, quick question, during the Johnny mission to drop the nuke down the elevator shaft, can anyone explain why it takes to long for it to detonate? Johnny had time to do his side mission of uploading that virus or whatever, confront Adam Smasher, get to the roof to confront Smasher again, then get carted off to get interrogated by Saburo before the thing went off. Did I miss something?

They retconned Johnny actually wanting to let people have time to evacuate so he wasn't a complete monster.

Johnny is an idiot, though, as he doesn't seem to understand what NUKE means.

 

[SaulTuk]

The Fourth Corporate War had Arasaka distracted after that.

Besides, killing a bunch of employees by mercs is just the price of business in Night City.

Remember its' a setting where every Edgerunner has probably killed dozens of corporate employees working for other corpos.

War started after some time, no immediately. And distracted or not, i don't believe Arasaka, at least, didn't sue Johny. They had plenty of proofs of his, Rogue and others involvement, enough for any jury to send them in jail for life. I don't believe in that world at all.

 

[Spectral_Warrior]

Nope, different place. It's a giant space station controlled by the ESA, it's hinted that Mr Blue Eyes knows about V's condition and is a possible link to a cure (he says something along the lines of "I know you would do anything to survive"). The same guy is present in the Peralez quest.

And if you take the path of the Nomad, the Aldecaldos have contacts thay potentially lead to the same thing.

 

[SaulTuk]

Folks around here don't belive Aldecado can possibly have contacts with people having access to advanced tech that mught heal V. Because, you know, Cyberpunk world is created and forms for and around Night City - urbis et orbis. All the other world are just scenery. Which i disagree with, but you get the idea of people's scepticism, i hope.

 

[CTPhipps]

Folks around here don't belive Aldecado can possibly have contacts with people having access to advanced tech that mught heal V. Because, you know, Cyberpunk world is created and forms for and around Night City - urbis et orbis. All the other world are just scenery. Which i disagree with, but you get the idea of people's scepticism, i hope.

Its basically ignoring the fact Night City exists because of Nomad trade because it's not a self-sufficient city-state.

 

[Spectral_Warrior]

What did everyone think of the Johnny ending, anyway?

It's interesting that Johnny is so emotionally devastated by V's death. It's clear that not only does he feel that his friend giving up their life for him wasn't worth it but that he didn't actually have any plans to live himself. He has no idea where to go, what to do, and when he hears about Yorinobu planning to start his war with Militech, well, Johnny says, "Fuck it, I don't care. It's none of my business."

Plus Rogue hates him and he can't bear to tell V's friends that he's dead.

I haven't done that ending because I didn't make my V into the character willing to sacrifice for him.

However, from the descriptions I see it sounds like Johnny gets redemption and finally comes to terms with what he's lost. And for Johnny's arc, that would be a fitting end. I view it in the way that he got a second chance where that never seemed in the cards ever. But via a fluke accident he got bound to V who, if you choose that route, comes to respect and willing to die for him.
I think that provides much more resolution compared to the ending types where V chooses life.

One of the biggest things for me here is the the fight to survive is much more so V's fight than it is Johnny's. A matter of perspective I know.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

Everyone needs a motive. Punishers family gotta die, V's brain gotta hurt.

People need motivation to drive a narrative.

There is no narrative after the epilogue

 

[SaulTuk]

More i think of CP77 world and plot, the less sense they have and the better i feel. Because i can hardly believe in world so torn apart with inconsistences, contradictions and outright logic holes. And if the world doesn't form itself in working logic system, i can't immerse myself in it.
One of many examples - practically non-existent legal system of NC. Funny, how many people criticize dumb AI of NCPD in CP77 - it's not only bug, it's a feature! My impression is that NC has no consistent and working legal system. I mean, you can openly attack corpo HQ, kill bunch of their employee and live in NC withour any fear of, i dunno, legal persecution for the crimes you've commited. There are many examples of that - Johny, Rogue and others raid on Arasaka in 2013 is one of them. The only possible explanation is that the corps are oficially souvereign states, like Vatican. And if you break into their territory, kill bunch of their men and manage to exfiltrate in one piece, corp will not sue you and police will not bother you. But that doesn't make sense, because in the world of indisputed corporate reign corps should have MORE rights, than regular citizens, not LESS! And even if you manage to get away from corps territory after you attacked them, they will identify you and sue you, and brave merc will be hunted not only by corporate own enforcers, but also by NCPD. But that doesn't work that way, neither in CP77, neither in PnP. That's why i hardly believe in such a world, don't immerse into it, which ease my pain from fucked up endings.

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Its basically ignoring the fact Night City exists because of Nomad trade because it's not a self-sufficient city-state.

Yeah, also the NC is the ONLY center of science and high-tech in America, other cities got only casino and motels, i guess)

 

[Spectral_Warrior]

Folks around here don't belive Aldecado can possibly have contacts with people having access to advanced tech that mught heal V. Because, you know, Cyberpunk world is created and forms for and around Night City - urbis et orbis. All the other world are just scenery. Which i disagree with, but you get the idea of people's scepticism, i hope.

I can understand it yes, but I would also like to point out that a city surrounded by so much Nomad territory, that Nomad influence and reach can go deeper as one might think.
Untill we get actual canon, it can be either way.
Or rather, knowing someone who knows is also still different from having access to.
I make no illusions that if you'd go Nomad you have one hell of a fight compared to the preverbial inner circle channels. But its not impossible either.

 

[SaulTuk]

I can understand it yes, but I would also like to point out that a city surrounded by so much Nomad territory, that Nomad influence and reach can go deeper as one might think.
Untill with get actual canon, it can be either way.
Or rather, knowing someone who knows is also still different from having access to.
I make no illusions that if you'd go Nomad you have one hell of a fight compared to the preverbial inner circle channels. But its not impossible either.

Or the nomads (not necessarily Aldecado, there are another clans and entire nomad nations) know a guy, who might be able to help...but not with resources and equipment at hand, and you need to raid some high-tech corporate facility in order to got the chance of healing. Nomads, as usually, get loot, V gets the cure, everyone's happy.

 

[CTPhipps]

More i think of CP77 world and plot, the less sense they have and the better i feel. Because i can hardly believe in world so torn apart with inconsistences, contradictions and outright logic holes. And if the world doesn't form itself in working logic system, i can't immerse myself in it.
One of many examples - practically non-existent legal system of NC. Funny, how many people criticize dumb AI of NCPD in CP77 - it's not only bug, it's a feature! My impression is that NC has no consistent and working legal system. I mean, you can openly attack corpo HQ, kill bunch of their employee and live in NC withour any fear of, i dunno, legal persecution for the crimes you've commited. There are many examples of that - Johny, Rogue and others raid on Arasaka in 2013 is one of them. The only possible explanation is that the corps are oficially souvereign states, like Vatican. And if you break into their territory, kill bunch of their men and manage to exfiltrate in one piece, corp will not sue you and police will not bother you. But that doesn't make sense, because in the world of indisputed corporate reign corps should have MORE rights, than regular citizens, not LESS! And even if you manage to get away from corps territory after you attacked them, they will identify you and sue you, and brave merc will be hunted not only by corporate own enforcers, but also by NCPD. But that doesn't work that way, neither in CP77, neither in PnP. That's why i hardly believe in such a world, don't immerse into it, which ease my pain from fucked up endings.

They are sovereign states and the whole setting exists to justify armed bands of mercenaries breaking into the buildings to steal data, kill people, or sabotage things. That's the basis for things like Shadow Run that came originally from Cyberpunk 2020. The game is built around doing D&D-esque adventures in a urban futuristic environment.

But canonically, you're not supposed to be identified and Johnny went into hiding after the Alt Raid until the nuclear incident.

 

[SaulTuk]

They are sovereign states and the whole setting exists to justify armed bands of mercenaries breaking into the buildings to steal data, kill people, or sabotage things. That's the basis for things like Shadow Run that came originally from Cyberpunk 2020. The game is built around doing D&D-esque adventures in a urban futuristic environment.

Well, i get it, still no immersion into that, sorry, which is actually a good thing with that shitty ending and inconsistent world)

 

[CitizenMigraine]

Or the nomads (not necessarily Aldecado, there are another clans and entire nomad nations) know a guy, who might be able to help...but not with resources and equipment at hand, and you need to raid some high-tech corporate facility in order to got the chance of healing. Nomads, as usually, get loot, V gets the cure, everyone's happy.

and I have every confidence the Aldecaldos can help V. They got an old nuclear train running AND hijacked a militech hovertank! It's not outside the realm of possibility the can jack a space shuttle

 

[Spectral_Warrior]

Or the nomads (not necessarily Aldecado, there are another clans and entire nomad nations) know a guy, who might be able to help...but not with resources and equipment at hand, and you need to raid some high-tech corporate facility in order to got the chance of healing. Nomads, as usually, get loot, V gets the cure, everyone's happy.

Also very possible route yes.
I would infact like some more Nomad vs Nomad in such case.
Would certainly make for an interesting adventure that provides (ideally) lots of choices and careful navigation to achieve your goal.

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I suppose the main message is: CDPR: we want those games

 

[CTPhipps]

Yeah, also the NC is the ONLY center of science and high-tech in America, other cities got only casino and motels, i guess)

Not really. There are other supplements about other parts of the world and Night City is actually less advanced than space. There's a kind of Gundam thing going on where the technology in space is like 20-30 years more advanced than what's on Earth. Arasaka is actually less advanced than what's going on in space and canonically, gets eventually left behind by Night Corp and other groups that moved into space.

(Night corp is secretly controlled by AI so of course its more advanced)

So if we wanted to be cured, we should have probably tried to go to Elysium rather than stay on the shithole that is Earth.

Europe is also generally more advanced medically than America and if you move there have things like laws, courts, civil rights, and medicare. Its just the US and Japan that have become shitholes (the latter because Arasaka rules it as a fascist state).