[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[WingedArchon]

It wasn't. Just linking that in this thread as well.

At least that has been cleared up then.

Thing is, in my opinion releasing an RPG that doesn't intend to offer a proper conclusion in the main game is just bad design. Why should I have to pay extra to see my character survive?
In the witcher the expansions built on top of the already concluded story. It just went the extra mile so to speak.

In theory I agree, but if they yet deliver something that makes it conclusive I can always ponder the question then if I still find it worthy to obtain. (that answer will most like be yes)
As it stands now, all hope for such is not lost

 

[i-Czer]

I happily quote it once more:

I just want, what seemingly Pondsmith had in mind from the get go and that is saving myself (V) and my loved ones(Judy and River - Panam and Kerry for others). That´s practically all i ask for. Sure still many people would die (Jackie, Evelyn, etc.), but at least that would make up for it. It is the reason worth it all.

What is wrong with wanting something, that should´ve obviously been there anyways and supposedly the main task!

And if I don´t beat the main task in any game, it´s game over and i failed!!! And Pondsmith himself said that this is the main task! So there´s no beating this game as of current!

Exactly. If successfully beating a game means loosing it all again then that is just something my brain can't follow. I may be wired weirdly, but as I said before, killing off the player character (V, not Johnny) for no reason is the ultimate disrespect of the player. And I can't see any reason for the plot cancer.

Not to mention, V was a character in her own right.
The lack of communication on CDPRs part to me screams damage control. Ignore it till it all blows over.
I've made my predictions before and I am sticking to them. CDPR did V dirty and I will deeply miss her. As well as the other characters. Such a waste.

At the pace things are currently going, the first story DLC will hit after 6 months of release of CP77. Enjoy that mental image and what that may mean when you play it.

What little hope I had left is gone by now. CP will probably go the way of the dodo in favor of the Witcher or false promises for a future (prolly soft reboot already) title.

 

[MrBilL61]

Thing is, in my opinion releasing an RPG that doesn't intend to offer a proper conclusion in the main game is just bad design. Why should I have to pay extra to see my character survive?
In the witcher the expansions built on top of the already concluded story. It just went the extra mile so to speak.

I understand that, but if you have 2 options:
1. Cut the game at the culmination point and leave the community with a feeling of emptiness, unfulfilling and they convey some theories to close the plot on their own
2. Give the community even with a slight hint with "To Be Continued...".

What will you choose? Mostly it will be second option. I don't mean that have to be DLC, but for example sequel?


If the character is doomed to die why they did not state that in credits, but leave 3 endings where we see the character basically at the start of a new journey?

 

[onosendai7]

We're back to the beginning. The diagnosis is as follows. Not a word about the fact that there is no cure.

Yep, not a word. But full sentences :
Alt "- I made a mistake in excluding the body as a factor. DNA reconfiguration has progressed too far. Added to aggressive, invasive medications, the body's immune system is attacking its own neurons. V will die independent of what I do. This is inevitable. This is imminent. I could not know the situation before conducting a thorough and precise diagnosis. The biochip has irreversibly changed the host organism. It no longer belongs to V. who is an intruder there. The situation is different for you -Johnny-. All changes were made to accommodate you. The changes are irreversible. You have nothing left to lose, he has everything to gain. "

Of course. As well as yours. Why, then, even refer to Alt, if her knowledge in this matter is extremely dubious and is not confirmed by anything.

You've got a point. I'm not CDPR. I however have some knowledge of Cyberpunk P&P background, some knowledge of the Cyberpunk genre, and some knowledge in computers. Believe me when I say that Alt is, by all these fields, much more proficient that any med-bot.

Without treatment, yes. But the bottom line is that Helman's words are no longer worth anything if you don't choose Arasaka.

Fact is you can interpret any line of dialogue the way you like. There are 3 narrative arcs and each excludes the others 2. In all of them, there is no indication you live.
Are the NPCs lying at some point ? Probably. Or not. We don't know for sure.

I have already offered my own version of the scenario for dlc. V fucks a nomad with AIDS and the problem is solved. What's worse than the original plot? It seems at the same level.

Since there is no DLC available, I'd rather not extrapolate on them. CDPR can do much, as well as not much.

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It wasn't. Just linking that in this thread as well.

Sometimes, CDPR, you should simply keep your mouth shut rather than being an arsonist...

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

Yep, not a word. But full sentences :
Alt "- I made a mistake in excluding the body as a factor. DNA reconfiguration has progressed too far. Added to aggressive, invasive medications, the body's immune system is attacking its own neurons. V will die independent of what I do. This is inevitable. This is imminent. I could not know the situation before conducting a thorough and precise diagnosis. The biochip has irreversibly changed the host organism. It no longer belongs to V. who is an intruder there. The situation is different for you -Johnny-. All changes were made to accommodate you. The changes are irreversible. You have nothing left to lose, he has everything to gain. "


You've got a point. I'm not CDPR. I however have some knowledge of Cyberpunk P&P background, some knowledge of the Cyberpunk genre, and some knowledge in computers. Believe me when I say that Alt is, by all these fields, much more proficient that any med-bot.


Fact is you can interpret any line of dialogue the way you like. There are 3 narrative arcs and each excludes the others 2. In all of them, there is no indication you live.
Are the NPCs lying at some point ? Probably. Or not. We don't know for sure.


Since there is no DLC available, I'd rather not extrapolate on them. CDPR can do much, as well as not much.

Post automatically merged: Jan 5, 2021

Sometimes, CDPR, you should simply keep your mouth shut rather than being an arsonist...

Especially the DNA bullshit is hurting my head, when gene therapy is so common in the world of cyberpunk.. In addition. If the body was changed to fit to the new host, the new host better get used to sit on the toilet. Or did I miss something here?

This whole DNA bs is absolutely dumb in the light of the cyberpunk universe.

 

[SaulTuk]

Especially the DNA bullshit is hurting my head, when gene therapy is so common in the world of cyberpunk.. In addition. If the body was changed to fit to the new host, the new host better get used to sit on the toilet. Or did I miss something here?

This whole DNA bs is absolutely dumb in the light of the cyberpunk universe.

And, to think, for some people plot cancer is a sign of deep and serious plot)

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

And, to think, for some people plot cancer is a sign of deep and serious plot)

Yeah... It's like eating soup from a saucer.

 

[MandyZGaming]

And, to think, for some people plot cancer is a sign of deep and serious plot)

to who? those 5-letter-name-wanna be-NPCs that accuse us to be disney fanatics?

 

[Hexagon-Sun]

Especially the DNA bullshit is hurting my head, when gene therapy is so common in the world of cyberpunk.. In addition. If the body was changed to fit to the new host, the new host better get used to sit on the toilet. Or did I miss something here?

This whole DNA bs is absolutely dumb in the light of the cyberpunk universe.

Aren't there people in this universe who get like animal morph modifications or whatever? like tails and ears and whatnot? I'm not an expert but wouldn't that require some sort of DNA modification? Couldn't a person just modify their DNA to not fit the host either?
Like I said I'm not expert but just curious.

 

[SaulTuk]

to who? those 5-letter-name-wanna be-NPCs that accuse us to be disney fanatics?

Yeah, them.

 

[arcsirc]

Aren't there people in this universe who get like animal morph modifications or whatever? like tails and ears and whatnot? I'm not an expert but wouldn't that require some sort of DNA modification? Couldn't a person just modify their DNA to not fit the host either?
Like I said I'm not expert but just curious.

not an expert, but yes there are gene modded "exotics" I'm sure one of the pnp buffs could fill you in as they've already mentioned them several times.

 

[MandyZGaming]

Up to now they already lost a huge load of players and if they don´t make certain things possible, I like to remind of the main task made out by Pondsmith himself, than their Multiplayer game would not make that much of money, because most players have jumped off the game before. Not that i need this multiplayer in general. I just want to beat the game and that only goes by passing the main task. And that is: Save yourself and your loved ones!

 

[SaulTuk]

tails and ears and whatnot?

And other body parts. Meredith Stout would approve.

 

[MrBilL61]

not an expert, but yes there are gene modded "exotics" I'm sure one of the pnp buffs could fill you in as they've already mentioned them several times.

You can change your body parts at any given point in time (lungs, second heart, eye balls, arm augmentation, software in your head in the meaning of cyberdecs, spinal cord) and there is no consequence - your immune system does not reject it, but it rejects the so-called "New V"?

 

[lolic99]

Yep, not a word. But full sentences :

imminent , inevitable ... These are judgments. I've heard this shit many times in ME from Reapers. In the end, they were proven wrong.)
But where about the fact that there is really no cure? They are not, because Alt herself has no idea about the cure.

I however have some knowledge of Cyberpunk P&P background

This is not a paper game. Most players don't care about the paper game and its rules. Although I doubt that even there is any mention of Alt has extensive knowledge of modern experimental medicine.

Fact is you can interpret any line of dialogue the way you like. There are 3 narrative arcs and each excludes the others 2. In all of them, there is no indication you live.

And there is no indication that V will certainly die. This is an open ending that writers can develop as they like.

We don't know for sure.

Exactly.

Since there is no DLC available, I'd rather not extrapolate on them.

Therefore, we need to wait for the continuation of the plot, and not guess. Anything can happen in the dlc, since V is alive, and he still has time. It all depends on the cdpr.

 

[SaulTuk]

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Cyrillic isn't welcome here, comrade)

 

[lolic99]

Cyrillic isn't welcome here, comrade)

Sorry, sometimes I write faster than switching keyboard layouts )

 

[SaulTuk]

Sorry, sometimes I write faster than switching keyboard layouts )

I know, my fellow compatriot)

 

[Kikinho]

I understand that, but if you have 2 options:
1. Cut the game at the culmination point and leave the community with a feeling of emptiness, unfulfilling and they convey some theories to close the plot on their own
2. Give the community even with a slight hint with "To Be Continued...".

What will you choose? Mostly it will be second option. I don't mean that have to be DLC, but for example sequel?


If the character is doomed to die why they did not state that in credits, but leave 3 endings where we see the character basically at the start of a new journey?

Ah don't get me wrong. I will be the first one to buy the DLC that offers a cure for V.
I just wish they wouldn't have chose that path to begin with.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

And other body parts. Meredith Stout would approve.

Oh meredith...