Funny how only corpo gets "best" ending because you have biggest chance to live again.
You die technically either way, simply a copy of you gets to persist.
If I make a new file or folder, copy it and delete the original one, that one is still gone; even if the copy looks and behaves similarly, it is never the same original folder or file.
Recipe for a happy ending:
-Grow an artificial clone of V
-Copy the mind of V from its failing body to the new one (100% compatibility guaranteed because it's a perfect copy of the old body)
-Happy ending!
Although I think the DLC will be like the Witcher 3: some side adventures that open up before the final act.
-Grow an artificial clone of V
-Copy the mind of V from its failing body to the new one (100% compatibility guaranteed because it's a perfect copy of the old body)
-Happy ending!
Although I think the DLC will be like the Witcher 3: some side adventures that open up before the final act.
Like Metro said in his reply, original V dies. Technically the ending that seem to be intended for corpo/nomad are about equal. Nomad is hopeful they will find a way, corpo is the same. Corpo's I think is a bit more bleak? These are neutral endings since original V is dead and these endings are only potential life for your copy.
I can stomach this ending for a corpo, but for my nomad I kind of want that heroes exit.. It's really unfortunate.
But yeah, funnily enough, if they keep their word Corpo ending has the highest chance..
Well, in cyberpunk terms - that's what mens to stay alive. If you read Alerted Carbon books or watch Ghost in the Shell - it's the main concept of copying yourself, being original or not etc. so it fits theme.
Question: is copy you or you die and copy is someone else? This is a matter of fundamental question in cyberpunk - do soul exist or we are just neuron-written-information database? In first case- yes, you die. In other one- you are just transfered somewhere else.
So to answer finally your question - if you copy folder and delete previous folder - the new one is the original folder now. It's just data.
Howeverf, I wished they went more in all those territories with endings, exploring copying yourself, going back to "backup" from before whole main plot happened (would be great to contunue playing game after such ending where everybody know you but you don't), even getting a cyberbrain instead of organic to save yourself and now seeing world differently as you are pretty much android at this point. Or being able to become as super-cyborg like Adam Smasher as also a way to save yourself.
So many cool things instead of what we got.
Yep, things like this have been explored in other media. I brought up Farscape, and they made a great season out of it. At the time of copying it was the same Crighton but they diverged and grew into their own characters later on. At the time of "twinning" "They are both equal and the same "
Also, speaking of Farscape there was also an antagonist in his head. Wait.. a minute..
And if you don't delete, the two are you?
No.
That's the whole point of the teletransportation paradox.
It's the mind that counts; what define a person is his knowledge, his memories, his experiences, his personality. If you can develop a technology that can transfer all of this from one body to another, you've effectively reached immortality.
In this case Original V is dead. Suicide is the only way to go with dignity as yourself. Copy v is divergent. Like that's just a cold hard fact, if they could copy without killing then there would be something to talk about. Original V is lights out.
The problem is that "transfer" doesn't exist is this case (nor does it exist in informatics in general), it's copy then erase, which isn't the same.
Actually, the jokes on them. I always do all the available side quests before I advance the main plot. I'm almost thirty hours in and just at the start of Act 2, so at this rate V will be alive for years.
A copy works great in Cyberpunk. With endings like these I'm reminded of Norse religion (what we call mythology today). The original, I mean, before the Christian monks started writing fanfics for it.
Ragnarok is the end of their world. Their gods, their realm, everything dies. No rebirth, no resurrection, nothing. But the All-Father prepares and trains, and all the warriors in Valhalla train, in an effort to postpone that as long as possible, and to end with the greatest battle the realms had ever known.
Nothing brings out true heroism like fighting for a lost cause.
A copy works great in Cyberpunk. With endings like these I'm reminded of Norse religion (what we call mythology today). The original, I mean, before the Christian monks started writing fanfics for it.
Ragnarok is the end of their world. Their gods, their realm, everything dies. No rebirth, no resurrection, nothing. But the All-Father prepares and trains, and all the warriors in Valhalla train, in an effort to postpone that as long as possible, and to end with the greatest battle the realms had ever known.
Nothing brings out true heroism like fighting for a lost cause.
So basically, "immortality" can only be reached by either
a) prolonging one's life by keeping the meat bag alive and prevent deterioration
b) eventually copying (engram, whatever) the mind into a form that is less prone to deterioration or decay, like digitalized form
Option B would in theory mean "you" still die eventually, but the new copy in it's more resilient form could then reach immortality while keeping your 'face' or mind at least, aka behaviorial pattern. Others might not notice, but you still eventually go.
If by original, you mean the support, then yes V is dead. But at least for us, we're not mere bodies. Matter of fact, our body is just the life support system for our brain, which in turn is just a blank state programmable machine waiting to be filled with firmware and software.
What matters is the information within. Denying that a copy can't like the original is like saying that you aren't reading what an author wrote because you don't have his manuscript but only a printed book.
Some copying methods are approximations (i.e. lossy algorithms used for transmitting sounds and images using a fraction of the original information) some are deliberate forgeries to generate plausible information where there is none (i.e DLSS upscaling) but there are also 1:1 copying methods.
If we could transfer V's consciousness rather than KILL and copy I could see your point. As it is in this game, real V is dead.
I don't mean to sound obnoxious or snarky here, I apologize if what I say comes across that way.
Here's how I interpret this... If we say something is "original", doesn't that mean it predates future copies or deviations? I can have a Word document on my desktop and copy it, sure, but the first Word document's status of "original" still upholds, since there is no pre-existing version of it - it existed from the beginning (the word Original quite literally stems from the word Origin). However, taking from the Word document and making another, it's been duplicated.
That's to say, V wasn't transferred, but duplicated. If I delete the original Word document but keep the copy, the copy still exists, but the original has been lost.
Alternative "Happy" endings they could provide:
Alt were able to make Vs' engram, you get to play as Johnny for a while and go through a questline to get a new body for V.
Alt were able to make Vs' engram, reinserting V into the old body, overwriting Johnnys after finding a new body for Johnny.
(basicly redo the whole progress but Johnny gotta experience the same thing V did during the game
Getting a new body for V would in practice, a new game + kind of.
The game would pick up after the event, you create your body as in the beginning, and now have Johnny in Afterlife, giving you new gigs, because none would believe you were the real V, as real V is either Johnny, or the body of the first V dies anyway.
These were two happy endings we could have seen.
What we might see as an ending in the furture, is V completing the gig in the crystal palace and have Vs' brain fixed.
Other endings:
Johnny and V both merge with cyberspace, being able to jump from one netrunner to another, merging their ingrams into their brains, basicly taking over everyone (Matrix Mr Smith ending basicly)
Johnny and V both merge with cyberspace, shutting the whole world down creating a new war, ai against humans.
There is so many kinds of endings, and.. I understand you can not please everyone. Most people want a happy ending, but not all fairytales has one.
Also life has so many choices, and they would probablt have to write a perfect ending for each and everyone who play the game, that is impossible, but damn, CDPR did helluva job bringing the story of V to us.
I just wish we can continue after the whole event, rather than loading from a previous point.
Alt were able to make Vs' engram, you get to play as Johnny for a while and go through a questline to get a new body for V.
Alt were able to make Vs' engram, reinserting V into the old body, overwriting Johnnys after finding a new body for Johnny.
(basicly redo the whole progress but Johnny gotta experience the same thing V did during the game
Getting a new body for V would in practice, a new game + kind of.
The game would pick up after the event, you create your body as in the beginning, and now have Johnny in Afterlife, giving you new gigs, because none would believe you were the real V, as real V is either Johnny, or the body of the first V dies anyway.
These were two happy endings we could have seen.
What we might see as an ending in the furture, is V completing the gig in the crystal palace and have Vs' brain fixed.
Other endings:
Johnny and V both merge with cyberspace, being able to jump from one netrunner to another, merging their ingrams into their brains, basicly taking over everyone (Matrix Mr Smith ending basicly)
Johnny and V both merge with cyberspace, shutting the whole world down creating a new war, ai against humans.
There is so many kinds of endings, and.. I understand you can not please everyone. Most people want a happy ending, but not all fairytales has one.
Also life has so many choices, and they would probablt have to write a perfect ending for each and everyone who play the game, that is impossible, but damn, CDPR did helluva job bringing the story of V to us.
I just wish we can continue after the whole event, rather than loading from a previous point.
If they gonna make expansions that continue the story, they could continue johhny taking over our body ending or the nomad ending. I think the nomad ending could be somewhat seen as cannon since it is the only one where there is even talk of looking for a cure and it is by far the happiest one of the endings, and then maybe you get saved in expansion and you can continue your game after ending.
I think what most people really wanted was to not die when trying throughout the whole game to survive. Again, it's a matter of your choices not really mattering in the end. That's a very bad thing to take from players - especially in a game where choice matters a lot. The complete and utter depressive bleakness what was the eventual death is after all why this thread was originally made. No matter what, it's death. We want something that isn't as depressive as guaranteed death. The possibility of working around the biochip, Soulkiller, etc. 6 months of life for a "good ending" is not a good ending - it's an eventual death, the same as we've been experiencing.
What I hope for personally is just a DLC that provides us the means to not die in Mikoshi through Soulkiller, Retain the original life of V, Johnny is no longer in our heads and the biochip doesn't kill us. In other words: back to norm. Something to make the effort actually feel worth chasing, not just a carrot on a stick to be yanked away last second.
Apologies if I took a personal interpretation on this, but personally, I just want my True V to live, not some duplicate. To follow through with getting things back to normal.
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