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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 503 42.1%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 122 10.2%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 353 29.5%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#12,281
Jan 6, 2021
onosendai7 said:
Alt - "You should come with me. I was a netrunner. I understood how to survive. I cannot speak for you. Beyond the black wall dangers lurk. It is no sanctuary. But it's better to be a free spirit shredded than to wither, trapped in a dying body."
Johnny - "don't do it V. You been running from this all along. It will change you. You won't be you anymore."

And, when Johnny jumps, Alt says :
Alt - "You will become a part of me as V's body and former life are restored."

Which is in line with the following lines, and contradicts somewhat the rest :
V. - "You still plan to obliterate Mikoshi. What about everyone locked away there ?"
Alt - "I will free them. Take them with me."
V. - "Cut the crap. You'll gobble them up like so many morsels of code, make them part of you."
Johnny - "As if they could hope for something better. C'mon."

Of these 3 parts, I see only 2 outcomes.
V. is a netrunner in league with Alt or Rache Bartmoss (yeah, right!) and V. as some pretty good chance as a free spirit in the net (meaning, and AI in itself) or V. is not a top notch netrunner (more than likely) and V.'s lifespan just got drastically shortened.
And, merging with Alt is indeed dying.
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So Alt will absorb Johnny but not absorb you. No contradiction but kind of insulting!
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#12,282
Jan 6, 2021
Willowhugger said:
So Alt will absorb Johnny but not absorb you. No contradiction but kind of insulting!
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Johnny is already an engram for 50 years, so his fate is kind of sealed.
 
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CitizenMigraine

CitizenMigraine

Forum regular
#12,283
Jan 6, 2021
Personally, I don't trust Alt. As an AI, doesn't she hate humans? Wouldn't it be her MO to deceive V?

But, on the flip side of the same coin, the fact that she's even having a conversation with the engrams of V and Johnny would imply that she's willing to work with them instead of just absorbing them right then and there.

Ugh, I'm getting a migraine.
 
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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#12,284
Jan 6, 2021
CitizenMigraine said:
Personally, I don't trust Alt. As an AI, doesn't she hate humans? Wouldn't it be her MO to deceive V?

But, on the flip side of the same coin, the fact that she's even having a conversation with the engrams of V and Johnny would imply that she's willing to work with them instead of just absorbing them right then and there.

Ugh, I'm getting a migraine.
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Why would AI hate humans? One of the major quests of the game is you making friends with an AI (Delamain).
 
CitizenMigraine

CitizenMigraine

Forum regular
#12,285
Jan 6, 2021
Willowhugger said:
Why would AI hate humans? One of the major quests of the game is you making friends with an AI (Delamain).
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I thought that was the whole point of the blackwall and Netwatch, was to prevent a war with AI.
 
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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

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#12,286
Jan 6, 2021
CitizenMigraine said:
I thought that was the whole point of the blackwall and Netwatch, was to prevent a war with AI.
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Yeah but Netwatch is a corporation that just ACTS like they're the FBI/NSA.

You can even point out their propaganda sounds like bullshit.
 
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lolic99

lolic99

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#12,287
Jan 6, 2021
Willowhugger said:
I'm confused as fuck as to why we're going against Yorinobu and not Saburo in the setting. Saburo is the setting's Dark Lord.
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There is no point in looking for meaning in this plot.
After half an hour of grand theft from the heir of Arasaka and the death of the head of the corporation, all simply forget about the heroes seen by dozens of guards. As if nothing had happened.
As for my game - I didn't care about Arasaki's personnel changes, I don't understand why the player should be worried about it.
They are not antagonists of the game, there are no antagonists in the game. They just are. And they are doing something that annoys Johnny.
On the other hand, you could somehow beat it. For example, take the side of Yorinobu against his father after the Arasaka ending, help his engram return the body, and as a return service... no, it's still not interesting.
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#12,288
Jan 6, 2021
Willowhugger said:
Yeah but Netwatch is a corporation that just ACTS like they're the FBI/NSA.

You can even point out their propaganda sounds like bullshit.
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Netwatch? Who that, oh that guy that you can side with or betray and then nothing changes, they never show up, might as well dont exist.
 
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BGM45

BGM45

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#12,289
Jan 6, 2021
Willowhugger said:
Why would AI hate humans? One of the major quests of the game is you making friends with an AI (Delamain).
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in this same quest, an AI from beyond the Blackwall quite openly tells you you'll regret if you ever cross paths again.

fully integrated Delamain leaves as soon as you finish, saying it's hard for him to even talk to you anymore, and leaves you with one of his children basically saying he doesn't care you'll die, he'll just do you a favor and give you a nice ride.

whole VDB's shtick is being on the right side when the inevitable war happens, which does hint that AIs are hostile.

I wouldn't say AI necessarily all hate humans, but they most certainly don't care about them in the slightest.
 
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Motsie

Motsie

Forum regular
#12,290
Jan 6, 2021
If I could change one thing with the endings it would be the (Don't fear) the reaper ending. It should have permutations where you decide what V wants to do - leave with the Nomads or take over the Afterlife. Speaking of, Rogue just handing us the keys to the Afterlife is so strange considering everything. Does she just want to retire at that point?
 
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BGM45

BGM45

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#12,291
Jan 6, 2021
Simuxas said:
Netwatch? Who that, oh that guy that you can side with or betray and then nothing changes, they never show up, might as well dont exist.
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I mean they fry voodoo boys if you side with them. made me feel good during my second playthrough.
 
MrBilL61

MrBilL61

Senior user
#12,292
Jan 6, 2021
If now there is no human being aware of every single subject in the world, why we has to have single AI-being to be aware of everything? Delamain was programmed in such a way to help humans carrying on with the cab business. Alt is AI derived from a person who finds a way of preserving human consensuses (not soul) in bitwise-manner.
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#12,293
Jan 6, 2021
BGM45 said:
I mean they fry voodoo boys if you side with them. made me feel good during my second playthrough.
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I know, but they never really do anything before that or after that, they are just like, nothing.
 
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feckyer1ife

Forum regular
#12,294
Jan 6, 2021
You know after beating the Nomad ending, i realized CDPR spoiled a lot of the game in the trailers, basically the whole story. There's quite a few scenes from the trailers that are in the nomad ending.
 
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BGM45

BGM45

Forum regular
#12,295
Jan 6, 2021
Simuxas said:
I know, but they never really do anything before that or after that, they are just like, nothing.
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yeah, considering the agent says something like "I have a feeling we'll meet again" I also expected them to pop up later. but I guess there is always a possibility of this mythical dlc we all are hoping for fixing yet another weird thing :-/
 
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Barsenthor

Barsenthor

Senior user
#12,296
Jan 6, 2021
Willowhugger said:
So Alt will absorb Johnny but not absorb you. No contradiction but kind of insulting!
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“I’m altering the deal, pray that I won’t alter it any further”
CitizenMigraine said:
Personally, I don't trust Alt. As an AI, doesn't she hate humans? Wouldn't it be her MO to deceive V?

But, on the flip side of the same coin, the fact that she's even having a conversation with the engrams of V and Johnny would imply that she's willing to work with them instead of just absorbing them right then and there.

Ugh, I'm getting a migraine.
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thats why i think that it’s still safer to go with Arasaka. But with upcup
any being with ability and will to assimilate “en mass” has just terrible vibe in sci-fi (from Unity to Borgs). not to mention lying being with such ability.
 
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CitizenMigraine

CitizenMigraine

Forum regular
#12,297
Jan 6, 2021
Barsenthor said:
thats why i think that it’s still safer to go with Arasaka. But with upcup
any being with ability and will to assimilate “en mass” has just terrible vibe in sci-fi (from Unity to Borgs). not to mention lying being with such ability.
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Wouldn't Arasaka just absorb you into Mikoshi? Sounds Borg-ish to me
 
Barsenthor

Barsenthor

Senior user
#12,298
Jan 6, 2021
feckyer1ife said:
You know after beating the Nomad ending, i realized CDPR spoiled a lot of the game in the trailers, basically the whole story. There's quite a few scenes from the trailers that are in the nomad ending.
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for me any movie that has trailer that practically tells the whole plot, almost always ends up to be terrible.
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CitizenMigraine said:
Wouldn't Arasaka just absorb you into Mikoshi? Sounds Borg-ish to me
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But they absorb just you, not that some AI with unknown power ends up absorbing countless of engrams which mostly are skilled netrunners.
Known enemy Is always better.
 
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CitizenMigraine

CitizenMigraine

Forum regular
#12,299
Jan 6, 2021
Barsenthor said:
But they absorb just you, not that some AI with unknown power ends up absorbing countless of engrams which mostly are skilled netrunners.
Known enemy Is always better.
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Ugh, both sound terrible to me
 
andrezzyn

andrezzyn

Forum regular
#12,300
Jan 6, 2021
There is so much potential in continuing the story with V, V going in search of a cure and in this process already putting something to start a next problem that V has to solve after curing cancer, in the next expansion.
To put V's friends in danger and maybe the possibility of them dying would be very interesting.

Now more secondary missions in act 1 or act 2 would be a big disappointment and waste.
It does not excite me at all to play a Dlc with more secondary missions even if it is for free.
 
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