[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[Lil_Glow]

But just to keep in mind that after one of the quest Hellman give you all the blueprints and data of Relic so with skilled group of engineers -not only Arasaka's- V could work something to save him/her. If today many hardware and software can be hack without any schematics why in 50 years from now, engineers will forgot almighty "reverse engineering" techniques?

Well it's not 50 years from today's technology, since Cyberpunk is based on an 80's vision of the future. Technology is more advanced in some ways but actually less in others. And while I agree that with the blueprints and data someone out there might be able to save V, in my game at least I never met them. It's a big world out there and I'm on a short timeframe to save my life, so Arasaka is where I ended up going. I'm just happy to get to go back to Earth and live out my 6 months left there, and who knows, not every terminal diagnosis is precise even today.

 

[MrBilL61]

Well it's not 50 years from today's technology, since Cyberpunk is based on an 80's vision of the future. Technology is more advanced in some ways but actually less in others. And while I agree that with the blueprints and data someone out there might be able to save V, in my game at least I never met them. It's a big world out there and I'm on a short timeframe to save my life, so Arasaka is where I ended up going. I'm just happy to get to go back to Earth and live out my 6 months left there, and who knows, not every terminal diagnosis is precise even today.

So that is what I'm saying here few pages back, but some people deny that is possible - with Nomad ending you are left with assumptions there are some people that might help. If Nomad have the hardware to surpass firewall of Blackwall, bring to life old tech (train station with perforated cards surely based on even earlier than 80s tech in real life) and if they can assembly old tank without any blueprints, they also may have highly skilled contacts with different point of view than Arasaka's techs. If you do not work on some project but just get the schematics you can see some backdoor that is hidden form guys that worked on it for many years. In Legend ending you have the promise form shady Mr. Blue Eyes, that we met only once if we are careful in Peralez questline, that he will help if you do another heist for him- but he might be Gaunter O'Dim of 2077 and he will help but only for huge price. In the Arasaka ending where you return to Earth you might come across to one of this to possibilities. If today not every terminal diagnosis have is precise why the Arasaka diagnosis or Alt prediction of the data (purposely I call it prediction because Alt is just AI) have to be just on point?

 

[i-Czer]

It's rather disconcerting to see how little respect CDPR had for the source material. Or at least it feels that way.
Sure, they outlining themes are there, but after that... not much else.

It feels like much was ignored for "convenience" sake or in favor of contemporary story telling.

 

[Motsie]

also may have highly skilled contacts

This is actually how they get the blueprints to Nightcity's maglev construction project (the tunnel they use to drill to the city center).

Snake Nation contacts.

 

[Willowhugger]

Hanako does not own the engram. Hellman does.

Hanako owns Hellman. He's a traitor and now under abeyance.

 

[onosendai7]

It's rather disconcerting to see how little respect CDPR had for the source material. Or at least it feels that way.
Sure, they outlining themes are there, but after that... not much else.

It feels like much was ignored for "convenience" sake or in favor of contemporary story telling.

Ignored, or tampered with...

 

[Eakani]

So that is what I'm saying here few pages back, but some people deny that is possible - with Nomad ending you are left with assumptions there are some people that might help. If Nomad have the hardware to surpass firewall of Blackwall, bring to life old tech (train station with perforated cards surely based on even earlier than 80s tech in real life) and if they can assembly old tank without any blueprints, they also may have highly skilled contacts with different point of view than Arasaka's techs. If you do not work on some project but just get the schematics you can see some backdoor that is hidden form guys that worked on it for many years. In Legend ending you have the promise form shady Mr. Blue Eyes, that we met only once if we are careful in Peralez questline, that he will help if you do another heist for him- but he might be Gaunter O'Dim of 2077 and he will help but only for huge price. In the Arasaka ending where you return to Earth you might come across to one of this to possibilities. If today not every terminal diagnosis have is precise why the Arasaka diagnosis or Alt prediction of the data (purposely I call it prediction because Alt is just AI) have to be just on point?

Well, the relic is a prototpye of a totally new tech, invented by Arasaka/Hellman and they couldn't solve our problem. So it would need someone that understands that tech, can catch up and surpasses the knowledge of Arasaka/Hellman to find a cure, within 6 month and that without the resources of a Megacorp.

That is a bit different than bringing an old train back to life...

Alt tells us the same as Arasaka does, so basically a second diagnosis from a different expert.

 

[lolic99]

Alt tells us the same as Arasaka does, so basically a second diagnosis from a different expert.

Here are just "diseases" in both cases are completely different)

It's rather disconcerting to see how little respect CDPR had for the source material. Or at least it feels that way.

Perhaps for someone. Most don't give a shit.
For them, it's just a new retro-futuristic game.

 

[Eakani]

Here are just "diseases" in both cases are completely different)

Is it different?

Alt stopped the relic
Arasaka removed it

and in both cases we will die from the damage the relic did to that point or did i miss somthing?

 

[lolic99]

Is it different?

Alt stopped the relic
Arasaka removed it

and in both cases we will die from the damage the relic did to that point or did i miss somthing?

Formally, yes, but the CDPRs carry different nonsense in different endings. In one case, this is damage similar to radiation sickness. In another, it is the aggressive immune system that destroys the nervous system.
Obviously, the methods of treatment here cannot be the same. As well as the fact that the endings were written by different people.
But in both cases, the treatment clearly does not require knowledge of the biochip technology. He's already out of the game.

 

[Eakani]

Formally, yes, but the CDPRs carry different nonsense in different endings. In one case, this is damage similar to radiation sickness. In another, it is the aggressive immune system that destroys the nervous system.
Obviously, the methods of treatment here cannot be the same. As well as the fact that the endings were written by different people.

I should pay more attention to such details, thanks for the clarification and sure in that case the treatment can't be the same.

That is really nonsense, so much for the contenuity.

EDIT: Well , if it is still in Vs head and V wants to get rid of it, a bit of knowledge could help, but basically out. I am fine with that.

 

[MrBilL61]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Arasaka capture Alt Cunningham because she was working with another corpo on Soulkiller program - it was ITS I believe. So Arasaka is not the only one capable of such development-sure they go forward with Alts project and develop some further version of program. So maybe, by slighted chance, the ITS might help with V's problem with engram.

Nevertheless, we have to have hope that they plan to continue the storyline of V. Here we come up with some ideas how the story might go.

 

[WingedArchon]

I actually thought that the meeting with Hanako would just be a small interlude and that the story continues.

My EXACT same sentiment.
I've said this repeatedly, and even the game alludes to it when you first get there.
On my first run, 53 hrs total, I spend maybe 3/4 hours max in act 3, that includes dialogue much waiting because of stealth and observing enemies AND epilogue Basilisk driving with finally taking that godscented breath of fresh air.
Act 3 was abysmally small and has incomplete written all over it.

 

[RayneEverwood]

Rewrite the story so the chip doesn't have such a drastic and destructive effect? So you have the ability to alter the endings.
But i guess that won't happen, sadly.
If they want choices, they could give us these by altering an ending to a happy one. Just ONE out of SEVEN.
Now it feels it doesn't matter how you play the entire game, what choices you had.
That's just odd.

 

[WingedArchon]

Rewrite the story so the chip doesn't have such a drastic and destructive effect? So you have the ability to alter the endings.
But i guess that won't happen, sadly.
If they want choices, they could give us these by altering an ending to a happy one. Just ONE out of SEVEN.
Now it feels it doesn't matter how you play the entire game, what choices you had.
That's just odd.

Well, we get several positive ending setups.
We just never get the potential to follow that through.

 

[Eakani]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Arasaka capture Alt Cunningham because she was working with another corpo on Soulkiller program - it was ITS I believe. So Arasaka is not the only one capable of such development-sure they go forward with Alts project and develop some further version of program. So maybe, by slighted chance, the ITS might help with V's problem with engram.

Nevertheless, we have to have hope that they plan to continue the storyline of V. Here we come up with some ideas how the story might go.

Basically what Mikoshi is, is based on the stuff from ITS, yes. ITS changed the code that Alt wrote to become soulkiller, to imprison engrams. But the relic chip itself is a 100% Hellman/Arasaka thing and not just a chip it is a biochip. I checked google, couldn't find anything more about ITS. No clue what typ of corp they are and what they do

 

[MrBilL61]

Basically what Mikoshi is, is based on the stuff from ITS, yes. ITS changed the code that Alt wrote to become soulkiller, to imprison engrams. But the relic chip itself is a 100% Hellman/Arasaka thing and not just a chip it is a biochip. I checked google, couldn't find anything more about ITS. No clue what typ of corp they are and what they do

Yep the same I have read from web. They left us with to much guessing game.

Rewrite the story so the chip doesn't have such a drastic and destructive effect? So you have the ability to alter the endings.
But i guess that won't happen, sadly.
If they want choices, they could give us these by altering an ending to a happy one. Just ONE out of SEVEN.
Now it feels it doesn't matter how you play the entire game, what choices you had.
That's just odd.

There is not necessary to rewrite whole story. Last things we get in Legend/Nomad/Back from Arasaka epilogues were dramatic Hollywood cliffhangers where V is at the beginning of new life-road. Not even "To be continued.." nor sneak peek what's next.

Game is not movie and not work well with unfinished story. In movie it might well because you invest only 2 or max 3 hours to watch. But many of us spend over 50 or even 100h with game and were left with "What? 100 hours for that? Only choice I have how and when I will a deadman?". I understand some "that is grim vision of the future" but in real life we have already to much grim and "cyberpunk".

 

[Eakani]

There is not necessary to rewrite whole story. Last things we get in Legend/Nomad/Back from Arasaka epilogues were dramatic Hollywood cliffhangers where V is at the beginning of new life-road. Not even "To be continued.." nor sneak peek what's next.

Game is not movie and not work well with unfinished story. In movie it might well because you invest only 2 or max 3 hours to watch. But many of us spend over 50 or even 100h with game and were left with "What? 100 hours for that? Only choice I have how and when I will a deadman?". I understand some "that is grim vision of the future" but in real life we have already to much grim and "cyberpunk".

If they plan to go on with Vs story, they could've at least add a single last message from an unknown contact in the credit screen.

Something like: I have deal for you! Will call you again, soon...

 

[WingedArchon]

Yep the same I have read from web. They left us with to much guessing game.



There is not necessary to rewrite whole story. Last things we get in Legend/Nomad/Back from Arasaka epilogues were dramatic Hollywood cliffhangers where V is at the beginning of new life-road. Not even "To be continued.." nor sneak peek what's next.

Game is not movie and not work well with unfinished story. In movie it might well because you invest only 2 or max 3 hours to watch. But many of us spend over 50 or even 100h with game and were left with "What? 100 hours for that? Only choice I have how and when I will a deadman?". I understand some "that is grim vision of the future" but in real life we have already to much grim and "cyberpunk".

And to add to that: 80% is pretty much all during Act 2, 15% in Act one if you stretch it (like I'm about to do) and then Act 3 is 5% max.

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Also, if they had used act 3 to toroughly explain the biochip/cyberspace/braincancer thing and we'v know there was never a chance to walk out of there alive for long well beforehand, then maybe it'd be easier to accept when it would finally go down that way.

[Edit] again, act 3 need much more time to develop into this inevitable death if they really wanted it.

 

[MrBilL61]

If they plan to go on with Vs story, they could've at least add a single last message from an unknown contact in the credit screen.

Something like: I have deal for you! Will call you again, soon...

"Message from an unknown contact" this unknown contact in Legend ending is Mr. Blue Eyes - if you miss his appearance in Peralez questline - you might ask "Who is he? I've never seen this guy". In Nomad ending you get a message from Jefferson Peralez - but why this message is even there?