[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[jj284b]

- there are plenty of gig that are shady or straight up evil.. ( but you need to read what you are doing, whats actually happens)
- edgerunners are not part of the gangs.. they dont do gang stuff, they are not joining them, neither NCPD.. they are independent.
- Heist went bad not because of Dex, but because of Evelyn.. but again, you need to pay attention to stuff.. She played everybody (Voodoo Boys, Netwatch, Dex, and V all at the same time)
- At the time you had to slot the chip in, you had no idea what it does.. you had no idea you end up with a bullet in your brain... and chip did revive V...
- you have options to cave in to Arasaka, or off yourself without anybody getting hurt.. or ask friends for help, or if you are friend with Johnny, go and attack Arasaka tower alone Legend style...
- Seems to me you dont know what Role playing means.. This game was never intended to be a SANDBOX RPG where you can do whatever you want to do...

 

[Eakani]

Also, you can't change your haircut or nails polish!)

and all the missing clothing options. All the NPCs around you wear so much cooler stuff.

Many hours i was wearing the NCPD stuff, because it gave me the most slots. I can't buy the legendary stuff, my shops are bugged. Befor the end i finally found something more appropriate.

 

[cyths]

Too bad it is sold as an open world sandbox RPG.

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slow

 

[jj284b]

Too bad it is sold as an open world sandbox RPG.

/e
slow

It never was.. and anybody expecting it to be, didnt payed attention to what is CDPR doing for last 15 years.... they dont do SANDBOX games...

 

[cyths]

You should tell, CDPR. Taken from gog:

 

[Barsenthor]

It never was.. and anybody expecting it to be, didnt payed attention to what is CDPR doing for last 15 years.... they dont do SANDBOX games...

You can try to defend them as you want but that line is just ludicrous.
This was a sandbox rpg by default by going with the open world and customizable character without background or with different backgrounds to chose.

It was advertised as a deep RPG with story full of meaningful choices and option to “shape your story”.

 

[Draconifors]

Going too far off-topic. Use this for "it's (not) an RPG", and stay on topic here.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

- there are plenty of gig that are shady or straight up evil.. ( but you need to read what you are doing, whats actually happens)
- edgerunners are not part of the gangs.. they dont do gang stuff, they are not joining them, neither NCPD.. they are independent.
- Heist went bad not because of Dex, but because of Evelyn.. but again, you need to pay attention to stuff.. She played everybody (Voodoo Boys, Netwatch, Dex, and V all at the same time)
- At the time you had to slot the chip in, you had no idea what it does.. you had no idea you end up with a bullet in your brain... and chip did revive V...
- you have options to cave in to Arasaka, or off yourself without anybody getting hurt.. or ask friends for help, or if you are friend with Johnny, go and attack Arasaka tower alone Legend style...
- Seems to me you dont know what Role playing means.. This game was never intended to be a SANDBOX RPG where you can do whatever you want to do...

The problem is that we are playing V's role in this game without having little to no influence on how we can play V.
Shepard had at least the paragon and the renegade route. V is far more akin to Adam Jenson than to Shepard.

This is in itself not bad but when I am a characters vessel on rails, the plot better not cheat me or breaks my suspension of disbelief.
I can live with the fact that V and jacky are friends despite the fact that the player only has met him during the intro. Corpo-V is even worse in that regard, because we seem to know jacky from an earmoer mission predating the game.

The lousy explanations at the end of the game and killing off the player simply is a deal breaker in this kind of game.
Important to note - Vs 6 month timer is illogical, from a lore and narrative perspective and not because it makes people feel better. The 6 month timer is in fact heavily playing with the observers emotions, to gloss over the glaring issues of the entgsme plot and epilogue.

 

[VanFeldberg]

All the seven ends are really dark and sad. Like really. we need a happy ending.

I am so disappointed in the society I live in today. Have none of you paid any attention at ALL to what Cyberpunk is about? It is a dystopia future wherein we have lost our humanity due to essentially replacing it with "chrome". The fact that trans people are demanding healthy representation in an unhealthy video game world is dumb, and people expecting to triumph or achieve a happy ending is even worse. This is a glimpse into what happens if we don't keep our advances in check, by the time you load into Cyberpunk it's too late, the world has already gone to shit. Life (including yours in the game) has already lost its meaning, Johnny is the most "human" character, and he's a complete asshole and also nothing but a digital construct. Also like Bawdy Dogs wtf is that supposed to be? "Your Taste, Their Pleasure"? No there's no happy ending for those people, they shackled themselves to technology instead of humanity, that's the entire point of why people don't want Transhumanism in the first place. People who expect a positive experience from Cyberpunk are the same people who will end up microchipped and covered in implants lol

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I'm not even sure what the writers were going for. It almost seems like their 'canon' ending is where Johnny takes over V's body, whilst V vanishes into the internet. But I donn't see any worthwhile 'message' in this resolution, there's nothing noteworthy or meaningful about V dying so the engram can continue in V's body. It's just very morbid and bleak.

More importantly, that ending just highlights the game's massive elephant in the room that never gets addressed. Johnny's engram is NOT Johnny himself. The real Johnny was born, lived his life and then died. The engram imprinted on V's chip is just a copy of Johnny, therefore killing V so that copy can live out a new life is an incredibly dark ending - the original Johnny would have hated to have murdered V in such a way.

It's very odd how the story is written as if Johnny's engram is Johnny himself back from the dead, instead of acknowledging that it's just a copy that's acting as random neuro-malware and killing an innocent person.

I think the way the ending is may be a commentary on the universe cyberpunk is set in. It's too late to repair the damage done to V's body, just as it's too late to repair society. Technology was the virus spreading through our society and we failed to stop it, so this is the world we will end up in. Honestly the narrative of Cyberpunk would be trash if there was a happy ending, oh it doesn't matter how far we go as a society, things will turn out great no matter what?

 

[jj284b]

The problem is that we are playing V's role in this game without having little to no influence on how we can play V.
Shepard had at least the paragon and the renegade route. V is far more akin to Adam Jenson than to Shepard.

This is in itself not bad but when I am a characters vessel on rails, the plot better not cheat me or breaks my suspension of disbelief.
I can live with the fact that V and jacky are friends despite the fact that the player only has met him during the intro. Corpo-V is even worse in that regard, because we seem to know jacky from an earmoer mission predating the game.

The lousy explanations at the end of the game and killing off the player simply is a deal breaker in this kind of game.
Important to note - Vs 6 month timer is illogical, from a lore and narrative perspective and not because it makes people feel better. The 6 month timer is in fact heavily playing with the observers emotions, to gloss over the glaring issues of the entgsme plot and epilogue.

Sorry, but while in Mass Effect 3 all choices were colored to carry player by the hand, CP doesnt do that.. you do what you want to do... but you can still end up evil... try betraying Panam to Saul, take money from Maiko and betray Judy for example.. and shit all over Johnny and go for Arasaka offer... and see what you will get... perfect true to character CORPO ending...

 

[acakomandos]

I am so disappointed in the society I live in today. Have none of you paid any attention at ALL to what Cyberpunk is about? It is a dystopia future wherein we have lost our humanity due to essentially replacing it with "chrome". The fact that trans people are demanding healthy representation in an unhealthy video game world is dumb, and people expecting to triumph or achieve a happy ending is even worse. This is a glimpse into what happens if we don't keep our advances in check, by the time you load into Cyberpunk it's too late, the world has already gone to shit. Life (including yours in the game) has already lost its meaning, Johnny is the most "human" character, and he's a complete asshole and also nothing but a digital construct. Also like Bawdy Dogs wtf is that supposed to be? "Your Taste, Their Pleasure"? No there's no happy ending for those people, they shackled themselves to technology instead of humanity, that's the entire point of why people don't want Transhumanism in the first place. People who expect a positive experience from Cyberpunk are the same people who will end up microchipped and covered in implants lol

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I think the way the ending is may be a commentary on the universe cyberpunk is set in. It's too late to repair the damage done to V's body, just as it's too late to repair society. Technology was the virus spreading through our society and we failed to stop it, so this is the world we will end up in. Honestly the narrative of Cyberpunk would be trash if there was a happy ending, oh it doesn't matter how far we go as a society, things will turn out great no matter what?

Cyberpunk is not about savng world but rather saving yourself and people whom you love. Creator of cyberpunk said that. Look few pages earlier. So no it does mean its all dark

edit Thankfully, in the game at least, that’s where the heroes come in. “Characters in Cyberpunk are heroes, and survive and do well because they are willing to fight for family or friends, for their neighbourhoods,” Pondsmith tells us.

 

[SaulTuk]

I am so disappointed in the society I live in today. Have none of you paid any attention at ALL to what Cyberpunk is about? It is a dystopia future wherein we have lost our humanity due to essentially replacing it with "chrome". The fact that trans people are demanding healthy representation in an unhealthy video game world is dumb, and people expecting to triumph or achieve a happy ending is even worse. This is a glimpse into what happens if we don't keep our advances in check, by the time you load into Cyberpunk it's too late, the world has already gone to shit. Life (including yours in the game) has already lost its meaning, Johnny is the most "human" character, and he's a complete asshole and also nothing but a digital construct. Also like Bawdy Dogs wtf is that supposed to be? "Your Taste, Their Pleasure"? No there's no happy ending for those people, they shackled themselves to technology instead of humanity, that's the entire point of why people don't want Transhumanism in the first place. People who expect a positive experience from Cyberpunk are the same people who will end up microchipped and covered in implants lol

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I think the way the ending is may be a commentary on the universe cyberpunk is set in. It's too late to repair the damage done to V's body, just as it's too late to repair society. Technology was the virus spreading through our society and we failed to stop it, so this is the world we will end up in. Honestly the narrative of Cyberpunk would be trash if there was a happy ending, oh it doesn't matter how far we go as a society, things will turn out great no matter what?

Right... Don't take Covid vaccine, authorities are trying to microchipp you and then control your mind through 5G)

 

[Shaamaan]

Sorry, but while in Mass Effect 3 all choices were colored to carry player by the hand, CP doesnt do that.. you do what you want to do... but you can still end up evil... try betraying Panam to Saul, take money from Maiko and betray Judy for example.. and shit all over Johnny and go for Arasaka offer... and see what you will get... perfect true to character CORPO ending...

Your response has absolutely nothing to do with the text you quoted.

The idea here isn't that color-coding is required, but that V's more of a "premade" character, suitable to linear action games than a real RPG where choices matter. But then CDPR taunts choices, puts life paths on display and created an expectation of a non-linear experience, so there ya go. At this point CDPR should have scrapped the character customization completely, along with the life path choice... there! Now it's a fully "linear" character, the game becomes a true action-adventure, and NOW the limited branching paths seem fitting AND expansive at the same time.

 

[SaulTuk]

Sorry, but while in Mass Effect 3 all choices were colored to carry player by the hand, CP doesnt do that.. you do what you want to do... but you can still end up evil... try betraying Panam to Saul, take money from Maiko and betray Judy for example.. and shit all over Johnny and go for Arasaka offer... and see what you will get... perfect true to character CORPO ending...

Yeah, freedom to decide where and with whom you spend your last 6 months before you inevitably die. Nice.

 

[acakomandos]

“The stakes have to be something that involves the player. You can’t just say, ‘The world is craptastic and you can’t do anything about it.’ SAID Cyberpunk father. So no all these endings are bullshit
https://www.wired.com/story/cyberpunk-mike-pondsmith-interview/ here go and read it

edit also this : It can not be about saving the world. You’re saving yourself or your community,” he says

 

[Simuxas]

I am so disappointed in the society I live in today. Have none of you paid any attention at ALL to what Cyberpunk is about? It is a dystopia future wherein we have lost our humanity due to essentially replacing it with "chrome". The fact that trans people are demanding healthy representation in an unhealthy video game world is dumb, and people expecting to triumph or achieve a happy ending is even worse. This is a glimpse into what happens if we don't keep our advances in check, by the time you load into Cyberpunk it's too late, the world has already gone to shit. Life (including yours in the game) has already lost its meaning, Johnny is the most "human" character, and he's a complete asshole and also nothing but a digital construct. Also like Bawdy Dogs wtf is that supposed to be? "Your Taste, Their Pleasure"? No there's no happy ending for those people, they shackled themselves to technology instead of humanity, that's the entire point of why people don't want Transhumanism in the first place. People who expect a positive experience from Cyberpunk are the same people who will end up microchipped and covered in implants lol

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I think the way the ending is may be a commentary on the universe cyberpunk is set in. It's too late to repair the damage done to V's body, just as it's too late to repair society. Technology was the virus spreading through our society and we failed to stop it, so this is the world we will end up in. Honestly the narrative of Cyberpunk would be trash if there was a happy ending, oh it doesn't matter how far we go as a society, things will turn out great no matter what?

"Oh shit, here we go again".
I think you really don't understand what Cyberpunk is all about. You think there is 12 000 posts here and nobody said what you just said? This stupid false argument got shot down so many times by people who worked on movies/books it is getting to a point of stupidity? Shame.

If you really think that Cyberpunk is all about edgyness, dark, grimdark where you can not win no matter what, so tell me, what is a point of experiencing it? There is nothing in there else, just some bright lights and darkness. The cyberpunk is about a personal, small victories of characters, that can't change anything in this big dark city/world. Someone already said it perfectly and explained in like pages 40-60, so I'm not gonna repeat myself or anybody else, go find it yourself. Go see Bladerunner, Elysium, Battle Angel Alita, Altered Carbon. None of them has edgy endings. They are all well written.

It's not like Warhammer where it is grimdark at the top level but it also over the top epic. And even then, there are glimpses of light. Just read about Tau and Humans who joined Tau race.

So yes, your point of "Cyberpunk stories has to end dark, because it's dark" are debunked and bad.

 

[acakomandos]

"Oh shit, here we go again".
I think you really don't understand what Cyberpunk is all about. You think there is 12 000 posts here and nobody said what you just said? This stupid false argument got shot down so many times by people who worked on movies/books it is getting to a point of stupidity? Shame.

Lets hope he will read now when he has link to Poundsmith interview. I dont know why people think that cyberpunk world means only suffering and death

 

[Simuxas]

Lets hope he will read now when he has link to Poundsmith interview. I dont know why people think that cyberpunk world means only suffering and death

I honestly don't get people like that, if it all ends to shit and it is all about darkness, what is to enjoy there? Cutting myself after experiencing it?

 

[SaulTuk]

Lets hope he will read now when he has link to Poundsmith interview. I dont know why people think that cyberpunk world means only suffering and death

Some people just want the videogames so serve them as political pamphlet regarding their IRL political and social issues. Like, Cyberpunk stories must end bad because in Cyberpunk world people have augmentations, microchipps, and implants, which is obviously (at least for such a reasonable men like VanFeldberg) bad, so people better accept Cyberpunk shitty endings, make a parallels with IRL and start to fight microchips, augmentations, vaccines, 5G etc.
Its not about the game, is about IRL.

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I honestly don't get people like that, if it all ends to shit and it is all about darkness, what is to enjoy there? Cutting myself after experiencing it?

Guilt syndrome and desire for punishment. The world is imperfect, the people are sinful fools, so they must suffer.

 

[Simuxas]

Some people just want the videogames so serve them as political pamphlet regarding their IRL political and social issues. Like, Cyberpunk stories must end bad because in Cyberpunk world people have augmentations, microchipps, and implants, which is obviously (at least for such a reasonable men like VanFeldberg) bad, so people better accept Cyberpunk shitty endings, male a parallel with IRL and start to fight microchips, augmentations, vaccines, 5G etc.
Its not about the game, is about IRL.

I can actually see that, considering how people are acting in these days.