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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 502 42.0%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 122 10.2%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 353 29.6%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 217 18.2%

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SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Senior user
#12,541
Jan 7, 2021
acakomandos said:
Whole game needs more work. I think they needed like one more year to finish half of the things that were promised
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Yeah, i would wait 5-7 years but get a game that may be.
 
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Tanad

Tanad

Forum regular
#12,542
Jan 7, 2021
WingedArchon said:
Sorry for my overzealous tantrum there :)
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Understandable, but tbh i feel like whole Johnny's arc is like sub story that could be skipped and game wouldn't loose much.
 
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TLeining

Fresh user
#12,543
Jan 7, 2021
WingedArchon said:
The only 'issue' I had with Jackie's death at its core is that he only died when the car stopped at its destination. Maybe this could be attributed to a bit of gameplay that the convo lasted as long as the ride. But narratively it felt a bit silly.
Other than that I can accept that scene for what it was and it was done tastefully.

That is not to say that V could've done more if it were explored that tad deeper. I can see that reasoning.
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are you sure about Jackie's death?
If I remember correctly, he gives you the chip, dies and then the screen goes dark. After a while you hear Delamain say that you have arrived. I took that as V being shocked and not noticing the passing time.

curiously enough, my problem with that scene is that I just don't care about Jackie at that point. There's just no real connection between V and Jackie outside of that montage.
 
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Barsenthor

Barsenthor

Senior user
#12,544
Jan 7, 2021
WingedArchon said:
The only 'issue' I had with Jackie's death at its core is that he only died when the car stopped at its destination. Maybe this could be attributed to a bit of gameplay that the convo lasted as long as the ride. But narratively it felt a bit silly.
Other than that I can accept that scene for what it was and it was done tastefully.

That is not to say that V could've done more if it were explored that tad deeper. I can see that reasoning.
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Couldn’t care less about Jacki tbh.
I Played with him 3 missions with zero emotional depth beside dying part at the end of the last mission. Yet at this point considering that it was shown In the cinematic trailer, had no emotional connection before and was unavoidable it could be also a parody.

I know that story wise you should care but role playing this game with Jacki is like “role playing” The Rock character in the last 2 Jumany movies - has the same level of depth and reasons .

Actually another issue with this - it is writing off characters like crazy, just to write them off. Is this strange that most people care about Goro, Judy and Panam?
The rest of the cast was mostly red shirts, despite the fact they were meant to be secondary characters.
 
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WingedArchon

WingedArchon

Forum regular
#12,545
Jan 7, 2021
acakomandos said:
Whole game needs more work. I think they needed like one more year to finish half of the things that were promised
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I wish they just took it. All I can say
 
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jj284b

Forum veteran
#12,546
Jan 7, 2021
Tanad said:
Understandable, but tbh i feel like whole Johnny's arc is like sub story that could be skipped and game wouldn't loose much.
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depends how you define the game... if for you, game is just a map with lots of gigs and ncpd stuff on it, then yes... but for actual story, Johnny arc is fundamental.
 
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WingedArchon

WingedArchon

Forum regular
#12,547
Jan 7, 2021
TLeining said:
are you sure about Jackie's death?
If I remember correctly, he gives you the chip, dies and then the screen goes dark. After a while you hear Delamain say that you have arrived. I took that as V being shocked and not noticing the passing time.

curiously enough, my problem with that scene is that I just don't care about Jackie at that point. There's just no real connection between V and Jackie outside of that montage.
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Not really sure what you're referring to with "are you sure".
As far as having a connection with him. I'm okay enough with it. I got enough out of any of it make some sort of connection. Seeing as how it was still the beginning of the game I though is was fine.

Sure if you wanted, there was always more that could've happened to make you care more, making that half year montage playable for instance.
I will admit it also wasn't much of a shock because of how that heist job was sold... Jackie's gonna get whacked, count on it.... Yeah we saw.

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Let me say it like this: off all the things been commented on. The Jackie death-thing is bottom of my list as far goes issues or worse
 
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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

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#12,548
Jan 7, 2021
cyths said:
Police: Can't handle the crime in NC.
Also police: Can spawn in hundreds just behind you.
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I'd buy it if you killed rich people. :)
 
Barsenthor

Barsenthor

Senior user
#12,549
Jan 7, 2021
Tanad said:
Understandable, but tbh i feel like whole Johnny's arc is like sub story that could be skipped and game wouldn't loose much.
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I think that whole biochip thing was there as a part of the story, later due to lack of time changed to be the story, for better or worse.
Biochip/Johnny as such is a (very?) good part of this game (not that there are others parts so far), but it lacks of any choices besides the flavor or the ending. Especially it lack the option to antagonize Johnny and make him an enemy. He is just there as you buddy because he likes you and stuff.
 
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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#12,550
Jan 7, 2021
WingedArchon said:
Not really sure what you're referring to with "are you sure".
As far as having a connection with him. I'm okay enough with it. I got enough out of any of it make some sort of connection. Seeing as how it was still the beginning of the game I though is was fine.

Sure if you wanted, there was always more that could've happened to make you care more, making that half year montage playable for instance.
I will admit it also wasn't much of a shock because of how that heist job was sold... Jackie's gonna get whacked, count on it.... Yeah we saw.
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It wasn't a shock but Jackie is easily one of my all time favorite video game characters. Like Obi-Wan Kenobi, you don't need much time to get attached.
 
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Barsenthor

Barsenthor

Senior user
#12,551
Jan 7, 2021
Willowhugger said:
It wasn't a shock but Jackie is easily one of my all time favorite video game characters. Like Obi-Wan Kenobi, you don't need much time to get attached.
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Jacki as a concept is definitely material for the one of the best side kicks in games. Yet it is completely wasted potential, done probably to make room for Johnny.
Instead of wholesome nice Jacki we get the jaded psycho who killed 0,5 mln people.
Not a “best deal”
 
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TLeining

Fresh user
#12,552
Jan 7, 2021
WingedArchon said:
Not really sure what you're referring to with "are you sure".
As far as having a connection with him. I'm okay enough with it. I got enough out of any of it make some sort of connection. Seeing as how it was still the beginning of the game I though is was fine.

Sure if you wanted, there was always more that could've happened to make you care more, making that half year montage playable for instance.
I will admit it also wasn't much of a shock because of how that heist job was sold... Jackie's gonna get whacked, count on it.... Yeah we saw.

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Let me say it like this: off all the things been commented on. The Jackie death-thing is bottom of my list as far goes issues or worse
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"The only 'issue' I had with Jackie's death at its core is that he only died when the car stopped at its destination. Maybe this could be attributed to a bit of gameplay that the convo lasted as long as the ride."

This is what I'm referring to. My impression was that he didn't die when the car stopped, but that he died, V was frozen for several minutes, car arrives at destination and Del "wakes" V back up, with the information that you have arrived at the destination.
 
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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#12,553
Jan 7, 2021
Barsenthor said:
Jacki as a concept is definitely material for the one of the best side kicks in games. Yet it is completely wasted potential, done probably to make room for Johnny.
Instead of wholesome nice Jacki we get the jaded psycho who killed 0,5 mln people.
Not a “best deal”
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Uh, yeah, of course they killed him to make room for Johnny. It's a major motivation for V that they've just lost their best friend and now have a new one that they may want to die for.

Transference.
 
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Obstructionist

Obstructionist

Forum regular
#12,554
Jan 7, 2021
Willowhugger said:
Isn't that a good enough reason?
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In a setting where any organization with even a modicum of power or influence are portrayed as mustache twirling evil, not really.
 
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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#12,555
Jan 7, 2021
Obstructionist said:
In a setting where any organization with even a modicum of power or influence are portrayed as mustache twirling evil, not really.
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That's why you're an Edgerunner. So you fight the world!

:)
 
acakomandos

acakomandos

Forum regular
#12,556
Jan 7, 2021
Obstructionist said:
In a setting where any organization with even a modicum of power or influence are portrayed as mustache twirling evil, not really.
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"mustache twirling evil" I laughed...thank you
 
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WingedArchon

WingedArchon

Forum regular
#12,557
Jan 7, 2021
TLeining said:
"The only 'issue' I had with Jackie's death at its core is that he only died when the car stopped at its destination. Maybe this could be attributed to a bit of gameplay that the convo lasted as long as the ride."

This is what I'm referring to. My impression was that he didn't die when the car stopped, but that he died, V was frozen for several minutes, car arrives at destination and Del "wakes" V back up, with the information that you have arrived at the destination.
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Ah okay. Its how I currently remember it. I though the car was already where it needed to be. If I misremember than thats on me.
In any case, it wouldnt really change my overall stance in that I though the death was tastefully enough and well timed.
If we'd go into the biochip side of things. I have more issues with the biochip condition that pretty much follows immediately after to overshadow everything.
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#12,558
Jan 7, 2021
acakomandos said:
"mustache twirling evil" I laughed...thank you
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Eh, I live in Kentucky where the local chemical plant used to dump its runoff in the river and hired thugs to beat up reporters.

Night City is an exaggeration not untruth.
 
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onosendai7

onosendai7

Senior user
#12,559
Jan 7, 2021
Obstructionist said:
In a setting where any organization with even a modicum of power or influence are portrayed as mustache twirling evil, not really.
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This is also called "reality"...
 
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acakomandos

acakomandos

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#12,560
Jan 7, 2021
I like that this thread is getting bigger every minue. It gives me a bit of hope
 
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