[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[SaulTuk]

Yes, Kerry and River have reasons to stay and that's the problem. why did they do it this way? Why only Male V with Panama and Female V with Judy can have a "happy ending" going to Arizona and the romance with Kerry and River has to be doomed this way.

Even with Corpo ending and Jonnhy/rogue endings saul says that V is a Aldecado and that the doors to V will always be open, which makes it almost clear that in the 3 endings that V has 6 months he can still go to Arizona and have a "happy ending" with Panam.

Legend ending is lame from many points.
I would maje things different.
1) Path of glory. V becomes legend and rich, and also new Arasaka top hitman. Wealth, glory, but no freedom. V keeps Kerry and River, but Judy and Panam will dump V

2) Path of freedom. V leaaves NC for good, gets freedom, but no glory or wealth. Kerry and River will dump him, though.

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The problem is that people are caring more about their virtual love interests than about ending the game.

And Nexus mod requests only confirms this. Romance Wakako?!)

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

For me, Odyssey was just a bad Witcher 3 copy. I don't really want to spend all this time traveling across a map doing busy work versus actual story.

Dozens of assassination targets and all of them as shallow as a puddle in characterization.

But you do you.

I admit I liked Origins, though. it was just a moment with Odyssey where I went, "I am not having fun."

Fun is relative
I had more fun playing other games and odyssey is by far not the be all end all but the game simply does a lot of things far better than cp2077.
Lootsystem, police system, variety, ship, travel, combat, progression, pacing, inventory, freedom, transmog, skill system.

Off course it's shallow but at least it does key elements right.

Like I said. I don't like that I like odyssey more than cp2077 but that's hardly odyssey fault.

 

[MrBilL61]

Mind you if any ending is objectively better, it becomes the default one. No one chooses the bittersweet ending.

I know, but if I am given the chance to play as a good guy and get an objectively better ending, and on the other hand play as a bad guy to check the ending or the other way around. I always play like that if I have a chance. That is the magic of ROLE playing game and replayability. If you create a character in an RPG you always play as an empty vessel but you have a choice what pour inside this vessel. Here we are forced to play doomed and empty vessel. If they want a story about Johny and Alt, they can just put Johny to live on the dump yard instead of this empty vessel named V, then carry the story of Johny.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

Legend ending is lame from many points.
I would maje things different.
1) Path of glory. V becomes legend and rich, and also new Arasaka top hitman. Wealth, glory, but no freedom. V keeps Kerry and River, but Judy and Panam will dump V

2) Path of freedom. V leaaves NC for good, gets freedom, but no glory or wealth. Kerry and River will dump him, though.

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And Nexus mod requests only confirms this. Romance Wakako?!)

Where is romance Vic and repeatable Meredith mod?

 

[SaulTuk]

Interestingly, I have far more fun playing assassin's creed odyssey than playing cyberpunk.
From both a story and gameplay standpoint.
That is actually pretty alarming.

Yeah, average but concluded story beats good, but unconcluded. Alexios achieved everything: reunited family and avenged them.

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Where is romance Vic and repeatable Meredith mod?

Fully romancable Meredith request is there, not sure about Vik.

 

[andrezzyn]

Panam will dump V

I think that limiting romance to endings is a bad decision.


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[SaulTuk]

I think that limiting romance to endings is a bad decision.


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You don't get it. In my variant Aldecados must leave NC once and for all, never to return.

Also, i do not think it's good to force romantic interests to accompany V no matter what, their integrity included.

 

[Yllana_Ardais]

the voice messages by your live interests were super weird and contradictory...
About games like Assassin's Creed: I would never get emotionally invested in an AC game the way I do with proper story based games like the Bioware or CDPR games. And while I'm supe frustrated and angry right now, before I reached the stupid endings, I enjoyed CP way more than I've ever enjoyed Odyssey, because CP has great charactres and storytelling while Odyssey is just a really nice looking grindfest. Fun for a short time, but not emotionally or intellectually rewarding.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

the voice messages by your live interests were super weird and contradictory...
About games like Assassin's Creed: I would never get emotionally invested in an AC game the way I do with proper story based games like the Bioware or CDPR games. And while I'm supe frustrated and angry right now, before I reached the stupid endings, I enjoyed CP way more than I've ever enjoyed Odyssey, because CP has great charactres and storytelling while Odyssey is just a really nice looking grindfest. Fun for a short time, but not emotionally or intellectually rewarding.

I agree. But at least it's conclusive.

I read books when I am on public transport. That roughly 1 3/4 hours per daynof pure reading time. I read lots of books over the past years. Good ones and bad ones. Agerage but logical and conclusive story indeed beats some weird "artistic" BS that is incoherent.

 

[SaulTuk]

while Odyssey is just a really nice looking grindfest. Fun for a short time, but not emotionally or intellectually rewarding.

Really nice looking. And mariners shanties in real Greek are also good)

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And:

And that is the thing that renders all the other endings meaningless. V gets everything, no one died, and can join Aldecados and Panam whenever he wishes.

 

[Barsenthor]

For me, Odyssey was just a bad Witcher 3 copy. I don't really want to spend all this time traveling across a map doing busy work versus actual story.

Dozens of assassination targets and all of them as shallow as a puddle in characterization.

But you do you.

I admit I liked Origins, though. it was just a moment with Odyssey where I went, "I am not having fun."

AC by the end of the day wins by points not KO.
Ubi never went with AC for KO, they were just about the basis -
Point for open world
Point for protagonist
Point for not having game breaking bugs.
Point for having plausible story
Etc
The same road that TW3 went, tho delivering few KOs
With CP77 CDPR went for KO, yet they couldn’t deliver it.

the story is just an example that instead going for the points they went for “outside of the box drunken master plot” KO and this blows up in their faces.

 

[SaulTuk]

And saying In the official guide that V with Johnny was fighting corporation all along is just laughable.

I recall brief meeting with NetWatch agent:
— Don*t work with corpos
— Relax, everyone does.

 

[MrBilL61]

Even one of the masters of dark stories named Steven King always concludes his stories in more sweeter than bitter way like it is done here. Main characters of his books walked thru personal hell, but they still win - with of course "some price to pay" named by trauma etc... Here in the relatively least dark ending - Nomad with Pannam - after all V was pushed thru (lost of friends, helping people etc..)- we have "Maybe you won, but you will be dead men in 6 months. You will have to watch the suffering of people that cared about you." So V has to pay the price twice.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

AC by the end of the day wins by points not KO.
Ubi never went with AC for KO, they were just about the basis -
Point for open world
Point for protagonist
Point for not having game breaking bugs.
Point for having plausible story
Etc
CDPR went for KO, yet they couldn’t deliver it.

the story is just an example that instead going for the points they went for “outside of the box drunken master plot” KO and this blows up in their faces.

Sadly, that's absolutely true.

Odyssey (and AC in general) simply delivers at what it is - a video game.

With TW3, CDPR showed that they can adapt literature to gaming market. With CP2077, they showed that it was a once in a lifetime experience.

 

[SaulTuk]

CP2077, they showed that it was a once in a lifetime experience.

Yeah, good AAA adaptation of PnP game in cyberpunk universe will yet to come. I hope some devs will not ruin Shadowrun that way.

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I think this is pretty telling. They don't want the game to end.

That's why many people so fiercely demand to play after endings.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

Yeah, good AAA adaptation of PnP game in cyberpunk universe will yet to come. I hope some devs will not ruin Shadowrun that way.

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That's why many people so fiercely demand to play after endings.

Yeah. But with the current games, it's simply not possible.

 

[MrBilL61]

And that is the thing that renders all the other endings meaningless. V gets everything, no one died, and can join Aldecados and Panam whenever he wishes.

V doesn't want "blaze of glory" since act 2 started - he just literally wants to survive. Maybe he wants glory in the prologue -or just wants to help Jackie with his run to glory, because you can choose "quiet life" in response to Dex - (act 1) but this desire has dramatically changed.

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Are we having more fun discussing about the game and how it "ends" than replaying it - even if it has great story to tell?

 

[SaulTuk]

V doesn't want "blaze of glory" since act 2 started - he just literally wants to survive. Maybe he wants glory in the prologue -or just wants to help Jackie with his run to glory, because you can choose "quiet life" in response to Dex - (act 1) but this desire has dramatically changed.

True, but forget about glory — V got wealth AND can join Aldecados whenever he wants, voicemail from them and Panam clearly show he is welcome among them. So the real difference between this and nomad endings is the money. If V survives Crystal Palace, of course.

 

[Willowhugger]

I guess that is what we expected.

I get the feeling they only aded the plot-cancer, because they thought the endings were too good.
Well. Only one ending is not total shit, if you are a female, lesbian character, who can leave the city with her love interest and Panam.

Yeah pretty large demographic I suppose.

Why don't you like straight male V and Panam?

 

[Barsenthor]

True, but forget about glory — V got wealth AND can join Aldecados whenever he wants, voicemail from them and Panam clearly show he is welcome among them. So the real difference between this and nomad endings is the money. If V survives Crystal Palace, of course.

And plot cancer!