We stated that Panam's ending is not happy ending but just lighter shade of darkness. As you said all depends on someone's point of view. And we have plenty of them.
While Johnny, the parasite in V's head, gets one ending that gives him a free body. Why is this a thing?
Exactly my point. There is not happy ending that gets shuehorned. If this ending is a happy one, the star ending is the ubermerc powerfantasy.
There are no happy endings and no good endings in this game.
People should start researching what a happy ending looks like. Hint. Only Christmas movies usually have happy endings.
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Just to further cement V status as a loser. V is such a big loser, V can't even die in Vs own underpants.
disco elysium is all about playing as a loser, and the game's a hit
I think it's more about the most basic principle of game design dating back to pong - the player should have a fair chance at winning. you can't just rig the game, make it seem like the goal is achievable only to then say haha, no.
I mean if you really want your character to die, just move the primary objective from survival to anything else. like, honour. saving your family. revenge. anything but the only thing which is EXPLICITLY unachievable.
If we crate and play as V the main character for us is V, not that annoying holo rocker from the past. He might pass as a narrator of some kind. If the rocker is the main character the should plot the story as at the dump the one gets out after shot to the head is the rocker not the V... And from that point we can play as Johny trying to regain some of "his respect", get closer to Rouge, Kerry... Then find how to get to Mikoshi to meet with Alt... And the only way is to blow up the tower again... Or some other story about Johny..
AMBITION not ACTIONS. Johnny's ambition was to fight an oppressive regime at the cost of his own life (selfless) and others (selfish) and for revenge (selfish). This changes to wanting to save Vs life, again at a cost to his own (Selfless). Vs ambition was to be a Night City legend (Selfish), rich (Selfish) and live at the expense of Johnny (selfish). Ergo Johnny's ambition was 'somewhat selfless' while Vs was 'selfish'.
Now if we talk about how they achieve those ambitions or their character then it's a complete opposite.
You really should stop looking at things in black and white.......bro
You can be a loser in a game.. Hell. Most of us here in earth are losers to some extent.disco elysium is all about playing as a loser, and the game's a hit
I think it's more about the most basic principle of game design dating back to pong - the player should have a fair chance at winning. you can't just rig the game, make it seem like the goal is achievable only to then say haha, no.
I mean if you really want your character to die, just move the primary objective from survival to anything else. like, honour. saving your family. revenge. anything but the only thing which is EXPLICITLY unachievable.
As long as you can achieve something, it's fine and dandy.
Cyberpunk 2077 however, is rigged from the start.
I need the astronaut meme template....
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This would be true if V's perspective would not have changed drastically. V does not hunt for fame anymore after the biochip started working. V is not hunting for a cure.
Johnny wanted to destroy arasaka, because he was fed up with corporations, despite being one of the 1% himself. He is egocentric and narcissistic. You could argue that he blew up the Arasaka tower out of pure revenge.
Becoming soul killered and left on ice for over 50nyears made him bitter but he is still the same arsehole. He just changes over time.
BTW. The sun ending is totally over the top. Even if V became a legend, such a home and an AV are something only the highest inner circles of the highest society can effort.
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V never got the chance to say "I will prefer quiet long life", get out of the Dex limo and go other way. He can just say it. But he was forced by narration to do the heist even if he wants a quiet life - because f**k logic at this point.
Um, the Star ending is leaving with the Aldecaldos. Maybe got something confused there?
if Johnny really REALLY wanted to shove it to Arasaka, he would do the whole nuke routine long before Alt. but as far as I understand he only used his righteous anger and contr-cultural message to get a successful rocker boy career (since in canon he's far more successful than the game depicts, someone pointed it out already). and even then the mere idea of fighting Arasaka's "regime" from USA seems idiotic at best. what, he really thought they won't come back at the first opportunity? Japanese with their fierce sense of pride? c'mon.
and I really don't understand the rhetoric of "surviving at Jhonny's expense". the dude died because of his own action, he's just a digital parasite, no one owes him anything.
Agreed. The story by itself is actually an 'okay' one with a depressing but valid message. Probably would have done better released as a novel.
As you say it doesn't work for open-world game. It messes with pacing (you are on borrowed time) and removes the sense of accomplishment.
Even digital parasite get what he wants to get. But not V...
The second assault on the Arasaka tower was simply because he failed to safe alt. he did not know he effectively killed her.. To him, it was arasaka fault she died.
He vented his frustration over this by setting off two nukes in night city. How many people died so he could feel better?
He indeed payed the price though.
It's nonetheless a bit hypocritical that he calls out corporations despite being a super rich Rockstar.
At this point I am more curious to see if there will be 700+ pages after one month of release of the game before
a) CDPR would actually come down to us lowly peasants and acknowledges our problem
b) CDPR will have their plans for story DLCs out in the open
To be honest... I think it'll be just the 700+ pages...
We ain't getting bupkis
Also, screw the parasite. He blew it... literally.
a) CDPR would actually come down to us lowly peasants and acknowledges our problem
b) CDPR will have their plans for story DLCs out in the open
To be honest... I think it'll be just the 700+ pages...
We ain't getting bupkis
Also, screw the parasite. He blew it... literally.
In addition, it does not reward the player for actually playing.
Playing is a big part of life in general, because we learn new things by playing. Be it a new skill or social interaction. If you can't learn something from playing a game, it's wasted time.
That's biology.
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What is the valid massage?
Got it.Message from the game:
Commit suicide when you have problems because it's better than putting your friends at risk, it won't do any good because their death will be in vain because you will only have 6 months to live.
Dont fight the system, instead go full wallpizza.
Exactly. That's my point about the game not allowing us to build a connection with V. We don't get the choice to stay 'Nah mate, i'd rather go do my own thing a bit, get some Legendary weapons and come up with my own plan'. The narrative forces your hand all the way through.
The narrative forces V to chase the eddies/rep.