[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[BGM45]

The second assault on the Arasaka tower was simply because he failed to safe alt. he did not know he effectively killed her.. To him, it was arasaka fault she died.

He vented his frustration over this by setting off two nukes in night city. How many people died so he could feel better?

He indeed payed the price though.

It's nonetheless a bit hypocritical that he calls out corporations despite being a super rich Rockstar.

I feel like not rubbing the fact that he killed her in his face is yet another huge missed opportunity. I can tell him I agree with Alt about him being a chip rocker wannabe, but I can't outright call him on his "heroic" bullshit?

Message from the game:
Commit suicide when you have problems because it's better than putting your friends at risk

I'm pretty sure after everything's happened to her Judy should be on suicide watch too. Saul will probably continue to fuck things up for nomads with his questionable decisions. Hanako and Takemura are as good as dead, with Yorinobu starting another corpo war. the idea that suicide doesn't hurt anyone is absurd.

 

[naddaya]

I like Johnny but let's not act like he has the moral upper hand on V, who outside of minor player's choices is just trying to stay afloat in a shitty city. Becoming a legend was Jackie's dream, my V was just along for the ride and I had the option to say it.
They have both selfless and selfish motives, but I'd say keeping your own body is a pretty understandable selfish motive, especially at the beginning when Johnny is just an aggressive stranger.

 

[BGM45]

Exactly. That's my point about the game not allowing us to build a connection with V. We don't get the choice to stay 'Nah mate, i'd rather go do my own thing a bit, get some Legendary weapons and come up with my own plan'. The narrative forces your hand all the way through.

The narrative forces V to chase the eddies/rep.

but that's just your opinion. plenty of us here have built incredible connections to our Vs throughout the whole ordeal. no matter what the game tells you, ultimately you decide what your V wants and what kind of person they are.

 

[MrBilL61]

Exactly. That's my point about the game not allowing us to build a connection with V. We don't get the choice to stay 'Nah mate, i'd rather go do my own thing a bit, get some Legendary weapons and come up with my own plan'. The narrative forces your hand all the way through.

The narrative forces V to chase the eddies/rep.

But only for prologue, then the narrative changes to "save yourself"...

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

Exactly. That's my point about the game not allowing us to build a connection with V. We don't get the choice to stay 'Nah mate, i'd rather go do my own thing a bit, get some Legendary weapons and come up with my own plan'. The narrative forces your hand all the way through.

The narrative forces V to chase the eddies/rep.

Not after dex tried to flatline us.

From there on, it's full on search for a cure.

The ending you dont like, because it's forcednetc, is at least an ending where V undergoes character development.

And please don't start a discussion on what roleplaying is and what not. You are roleplaying V within certein borders of a story. V is like Adam Jenson or commander Shepard.

 

[naddaya]

Exactly. That's my point about the game not allowing us to build a connection with V. We don't get the choice to stay 'Nah mate, i'd rather go do my own thing a bit, get some Legendary weapons and come up with my own plan'. The narrative forces your hand all the way through.

The narrative forces V to chase the eddies/rep.

That's subjective, I was able to build a connection to V more than any other RPG protagonist of the last few years. I found her plenty sympathetic, lots of players cared about their V more than any NPC. That's one of the reasons I want to continue her story, outside of replayability issues and the fact that there are lore friendly options for a cure in the game.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

That's subjective, I was able to build a connection to V more than any other RPG protagonist of the last few years. I found her plenty sympathetic, lots of players cared about their V more than any NPC. That's one of the reasons I want to continue her story, outside of replayability issues and the fact that there are lore friendly options for a cure in the game.

Same for me. The 1st person perspective was really helpful in that regard.
I suffered together with my V.

 

[i-Czer]

On todays episode of of how f'd up is f'd up.

Message from the game:
Commit suicide when you have problems because it's better than putting your friends at risk, it won't do any good because their death will be in vain because you will only have 6 months to live.

Dats f'd up.

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That's subjective, I was able to build a connection to V more than any other RPG protagonist of the last few years. I found her plenty sympathetic, lots of players cared about their V more than any NPC. That's one of the reasons I want to continue her story, outside of replayability issues and the fact that there are lore friendly options for a cure in the game.

This!
Exactly! V is a loved character. Not just a player vessel.

 

[MrBilL61]

Same for me. The 1st person perspective was really helpful in that regard.
I suffered together with my V.

Most of us suffered together with V- that's the point of first person perspective to feel as much as possible that you are the character.

 

[BGM45]

That's subjective, I was able to build a connection to V more than any other RPG protagonist of the last few years. I found her plenty sympathetic, lots of players cared about their V more than any NPC. That's one of the reasons I want to continue her story, outside of replayability issues and the fact that there are lore friendly options for a cure in the game.

this, I'm still amazed how they managed to create a protagonist as relatable and nuanced as Geralt completely from scratch and make us fall in love with them despite seeing them for the first time.

...only to then do their best Ramsay Bolton impression with "if you thought there'd be a happy ending..."

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

Most of us suffered together with V- that's the point of first person perspective to feel as much as possible that you are the character.

Exactly.
And that's why the character needs a satisfying resolution. Because we need a relief as well.

What comes to my mind. Most people who like the endings, say that they were not highly immersed or invested In V.
I find that pretty interesting.

 

[naddaya]

Same for me. The 1st person perspective was really helpful in that regard.
I suffered together with my V.

Yes I think the first person view was a good choice, all things considered. I thought I would miss cutscenes when they announced it but I ended up preferring it. That constantly broken nose in the streetkid intro

 

[CitizenMigraine]

Yeah, if you bring along Judy she's right at the camp with V, it seems like it's Panam and Mitch who are out.

Maybe Judy is at camp because she's working on tech stuff with Carol.

 

[i-Czer]

Exactly.
And that's why the character needs a satisfying resolution. Because we need a relief as well.

What comes to my mind. Most people who like the endings, say that they were not highly immersed or invested In V.
I find that pretty interesting.

Interesting, yes. But not really surprising.

 

[MrBilL61]

Exactly.
And that's why the character needs a satisfying resolution. Because we need a relief as well.

What comes to my mind. Most people who like the endings, say that they were not highly immersed or invested In V.
I find that pretty interesting.

Maybe they consume the game, skip to the next, consume and so on. Rest will play as if it is them in the same situation in real life. But this "rest" group is just minority today.

 

[andrezzyn]

I wish I hadn't liked V and Panam. Now I wouldn't be so nervous about what Dlc and expansions are about.

 

[I_Willenbrock_I]

I wish I hadn't liked V and Panam. Now I wouldn't be so nervous about what Dlc and expansions are about.

The true moral of the story is:

Get invested, get fucked.

 

[MrBilL61]

I wish I hadn't liked V and Panam. Now I wouldn't be so nervous about what Dlc and expansions are about.

That's the case of good roleplaying that you get immersed and bound with characters around. First person perspective is just here to deepen that immersion.

 

[MandyZGaming]

One more thing just came to my mind. Why do you stay with with those nomads, when you romance Judy. I mean sure you join them when you ask Panam for help, but aren´t given the chance to say " erm, sorry but nomad lifestyle isn´t for me". And why do you need to stay in NC in that space ending, when you know she wants to leave and even breaks up due to it. Why can´t you just take Judy to a ride to Oregon, where she said her grandparents live and she visits them regularly anyway. Again I´m left to think, that about the romances, they only cared about Panam!

 

[BGM45]

That's the case of good roleplaying that you get immersed and bound with characters around. First person perspective is just here to deepen that immersion.

I think the amazing voiceover plays a big part, too. I have never got as invested in "silent protagonists" as I do with fully-voiced ones, they just don't cut as deep.