Silent protagonists can work ar well. I loved all my wardens in dragon age.
I totally agree with it being subjective. No one opinion is wrong. Our own personalities/teaching/experience will make us lean certain ways and that's fine.
I don't think anyone is saying Johnny has the moral upper hand. I see him as morally grey character that can't do no right. He reminds me a little of my brother (who I think is a tw*t), which is probably why I don't have such a dire opinion of him as others do.
I also have a poor opinion of Rogue, I was indifferent to her until the end where she assaults Arasaka knowing the risks even though she has a son...
I'm not. It's merely a response to another posters comment who mentioned our lack of choice of Vs character in the story.
and why only them? F***ed up crap!
I've said it before, the whole 3rd act would work better if we could make separate decisions: with whom go to Arasaka and with whom stay or leave Night City. technically after you do nomad's quests they invite you to go with them straight away. there is no need for them to go with you to Arasaka, just like there is no need for you to stay with them afterwards.One more thing just came to my mind. Why do you stay with with those nomads, when you romance Judy. I mean sure you join them when you ask Panam for help, but aren´t given the chance to say " erm, sorry but nomad lifestyle isn´t for me". And why do you need to stay in NC in that space ending, when you know she wants to leave and even breaks up due to it. Why can´t you just take Judy to a ride to Oregon, where she said her grandparents live and she visits them regularly anyway. Again I´m left to think, that about the romances, they only cared about Panam!
it's just yet another instance of unnecessary railroading which makes zero sense and takes away what little agency we have in the end.
That's where the problem is, it doesn't make sense and it's not fair.
Maybe they wanted to send a message that "Life isn't fair". Right? Right?
I'll shove myself out.
I'm team Panam, myself, but I do feel like every other romance option really got the short end of the stick. I sincerely hope they get more love and attention down the road.
I mean for River and Kerry staying in NC is right.
Nomad life is right for Panam.
But Judy, come on, why not go to Oregon and live with her there. Since she has family there it would make perfect sense.
Nomad life is right for Panam.
But Judy, come on, why not go to Oregon and live with her there. Since she has family there it would make perfect sense.
you are right, of course. it's purely a question of preferences and experience. I'm pretty sure I'm just an auditory learner through and through, so hearing things is much more comfortable for me than say reading or watching.
There's a lot that doesn't make sense. Like V's engram cant be put into another body because he doesn't have any offspring which is needed due to DNA.
Yet Johnny's engram takes over V's body in a few weeks.
So is V Johnny's son?
Or is Johnny's Bio-chip so advanced it can take over any body?
Was this explained somewhere?
I thought Meredith was a full LI and waited for her to show up anytime later in the game
The endings are so railroaded because they follow the lifepaths 1:1. Panam -> Nomad, Arasaka -> Corpo, Legend -> Streetkid. I guess if you mix and match them they lose that symbolism.
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Johnny's biochip is a prototype and was specifically designed to take over the host after death. Now the question is, we have the blueprints and the engineers, why can't that condition be recreated for V? Too expensive? Arasaka doesn't care that much?
Yeah, but in the Legend ending when you romanced Judy you could still leave. I mean you´re legend anyway and now you can have that peaceful life with her in Oregon.I thought Meredith was a full LI and waited for her to show up anytime later in the game
The endings are so railroaded because they follow the lifepaths 1:1. Panam -> Nomad, Arasaka -> Corpo, Legend -> Streetkid. I guess if you mix and match them they lose that symbolism.
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Johnny's biochip is a prototype and was specifically designed to take over the host after death. Now the question is, we have the blueprints and the engineers, why can't that condition be recreated for V? Too expensive? Arasaka doesn't care that much?
It is easier for them to take Judy to Arizona in a continuation and you can visit her there.
as long as i can still have that relationship continue, it doesn´t matter where it is. Just said that Oregon would make sense, because she has family there.
From a "V chooses what to do" pov I completely agree. Just meant that the writers probably didn't allow it as a choice because of the lifepath symbolism. Or because the story was meant to continue past Act 3 and then was cut, still can't rule that out.
but they all are available for everyone, so any kind of symbolism is wasted. in the end, I have a corpo who chooses to go with her new-found family and a lover only to then cringe over her good friend telling her to go fuck herself before committing seppuku. there is no narrative reason for a character like that not to go to Arasaka to help Takemura, only to then get a lobotomy, refuse to be uploaded and go back to Earth to live out the 6 months in peace with people they love - because, again, there is no indication that nomads won't take V in if they don't go to Arasaka together, V's already earned their place in the family by doing side missions.
it's still a grim ending because of the ticking clock and V missing a part of their brain, and Arasaka wins again, which many see as a bad thing, so no one can say it's a Disney fantasy or anything. it's just nuanced and more authentic to how people work in real life.
Seems like the most logical reason.
In the source material, Arasaka and Militech were actually nationalised by the US government after the 4th Corpo war. So it could also be down to preventative regulation by the US government.
(4th Corpo war ended after Johnny/Rogue/Morgan et al, were hired to blow up Arasaka Tower, the game makes it seem this was a johnny thing but actually it was Militech).