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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 503 42.0%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 122 10.2%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 354 29.6%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 218 18.2%

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Fuse_00

Fuse_00

Forum regular
#12,961
Jan 8, 2021
MeinChurro said:
I cannot believe these are the same writers who gave us The Witcher 3 and it's expansions. This is insane to me
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That is not the first opinion I see when people say Witcher's story is better. I love Witcher series more than Cyberpunk since I find gameplay and side quests in Witcher more satisfying, but main story... seriously, the main story of W3 is just primitive.
Defeat bad guys, save the world. How can it possibly be compared with so much more complicated and dramatic plot of Cyberpunk.
 
i-Czer

i-Czer

Forum regular
#12,962
Jan 8, 2021
Fuse_00 said:
That is not the first opinion I see when people say Witcher's story is better. I love Witcher series more than Cyberpunk since I find gameplay and side quests in Witcher more satisfying, but main story... seriously, the main story of W3 is just primitive.
Defeat bad guys, save the world. How can it possibly be compared with so much more complicated and dramatic plot of Cyberpunk.
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To be fair, the base plot premise of CP isn't all that complicated nor is it anything new.

The latest example that comes to mind is the Duck Tales reboot where Magica Despell resides in her niece as a shadow. She needs her nieces body to come back into the real world. Her nieces body only exists because of her (Which Despell can control occasionally). If she manages that the niece is banished into cyberspa... I mean the shadowrealm (Where she eventually will loose all sense of her self). So, they have to push despell out of her for the niece to survive. Which then presents new challanges. Sound familiar?

Oversimplified in my explanation, but it's almost the same story as it is with V and Johnny. You really don't have to look far for that kind of examples. You can also find examples in most Sci-Fi Shows. Like Star Trek, Stargate and even The Expanse. Sure, the setting differs but the base premise is the same. Some are almost carbon copies even.

The whole Goa'uld race in stargate is based on the premise. Culminating in the Season 3 Episode 15 (Name: "Pretense" ) where it's the whole point of the legal debate who has ownership of the body. The Prasite that claims nothing of the host remains or the host because they are the original owner of the body.

Also, the drama isn't generated by clever writing per se, but rather by employing (in my opionion: cheap) writing tricks. Like Fatalism (as I have learned), and a fake sense of urgency.



/e and pretty much all of them have better endings! -sighs-
/e² I can provide quite a few more examples.
 
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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

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#12,963
Jan 8, 2021
SaulTuk said:
Really nice looking. And mariners shanties in real Greek are also good)
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And that is the thing that renders all the other endings meaningless. V gets everything, no one died, and can join Aldecados and Panam whenever he wishes.
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All I want is to stay in Night City and fight the Corps and make the city a better place. :)

I want to be....HACKMAN.
 
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fridgeband

fridgeband

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#12,964
Jan 8, 2021
649 pages.....
You would think there were 649 endings. :shrug:
 
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Krul2k

Krul2k

Forum regular
#12,965
Jan 8, 2021
Gene Hackman???

Tbh who wouldn't ;)
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#12,966
Jan 8, 2021
SaulTuk said:
Plot cancer V got in every endings, and got no cure also in every ending.
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Except the ones where he's immortal and probably gets cured.
 
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fridgeband

fridgeband

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#12,967
Jan 8, 2021
Willowhugger said:
Except the ones where he's immortal and probably gets cured.
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Like....?
 
i-Czer

i-Czer

Forum regular
#12,968
Jan 8, 2021
fridgeband said:
Like....?
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I think that was the point ^^ The irony was implied me thinks.
 
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fridgeband

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#12,969
Jan 8, 2021
onosendai7 said:
You misplace the physical thing for the whole.
Basically, their are 2 components : the mind, the intelect, the ghost, whatever and the body, the sleeve...
Copy, the mind, 100% true to the original. Kill the body. Clone the body. Re inject the mind in the body. What make you think the person you have at the end is different from the one you had at the beginning ?
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And how would you inject or reinject the mind? with what? how? Can you prove that it's the original mind that went from point A to point B? Can you prove that the mind in the new body is the same mind, and can you prove that it isn't a copy that believes it's the original?
i-Czer said:
I think that was the point ^^ The irony was implied me thinks.
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That's pretty funny if true. I was like "a good ending? WHERE!?" :ROFLMAO:
KakitaTatsumaru said:
And actually you cannot transfer a world document.
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Yea like it makes a copy, and no files actually get up and "move" anywhere technically. Right?
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#12,970
Jan 8, 2021
fridgeband said:
Like....?
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You don't get absorbed by Alt. You leave into the Blackwall with her.

Panam finds a cure in Nomad.

Mr. Blue Eyes provides a cure in Legend.

Your engram in Mikoshi is preserved until you can be reborn.
 
fridgeband

fridgeband

Senior user
#12,971
Jan 8, 2021
KakitaTatsumaru said:
The problem is that you cannot "become" an inactive engram.
There just can be an engram made by copying you, which is no different than having a statue of yourself on your own grave: you are still dead.
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This I think.
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#12,972
Jan 8, 2021
fridgeband said:
This I think.
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A statue that is an offshoot of your consciousness containing all your consciousness and willpower. It also has no interruption of continuity because it resumes from us. The problem with the philosophical conceit of SOMA that it's "not really you" is the fact that the duplicate has every right to be considered the original.

Like saying, "Which set of skin cells is more us."
 
fridgeband

fridgeband

Senior user
#12,973
Jan 8, 2021
Willowhugger said:
You don't get absorbed by Alt. You leave into the Blackwall with her.

Panam finds a cure in Nomad.

Mr. Blue Eyes provides a cure in Legend.

Your engram in Mikoshi is preserved until you can be reborn.
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Willowhugger said:
You don't get absorbed by Alt.
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This seems pretty debatable considering many things.

Willowhugger said:
You leave into the Blackwall with her.
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This isn't really a good thing.

Willowhugger said:
Panam finds a cure in Nomad.
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Prove it.

Willowhugger said:
Mr. Blue Eyes provides a cure in Legend.
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What is this and Who is this?

Willowhugger said:
Your engram in Mikoshi is preserved until you can be reborn.
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>implying arasaka can be trusted
>implying original V is actually reborn and not a copy with all the data modified by arasaka
:rolleyes:

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Willowhugger said:
A statue that is an offshoot of your consciousness containing all your consciousness and willpower. It also has no interruption of continuity because it resumes from us. The problem with the philosophical conceit of SOMA that it's "not really you" is the fact that the duplicate has every right to be considered the original.

Like saying, "Which set of skin cells is more us."
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These tremendously huge assumptions being stated as facts can never be proven to be facts.
 
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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#12,974
Jan 8, 2021
fridgeband said:
These tremendously huge assumptions being stated as facts can never be proven to be facts.
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Yes, which is why you should rely on it in a fictional world that you play the Engram so you are the Engram.
 
fridgeband

fridgeband

Senior user
#12,975
Jan 8, 2021
Willowhugger said:
Yes, which is why you should rely on it in a fictional world that you play the Engram so you are the Engram.
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So just because a fictional event takes place in a video game, I should automatically research and question no further and essentially adopt this flawless logic to real life. What could go wrong? :ohstopit: :shrug: :ROFLMAO:
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#12,976
Jan 8, 2021
fridgeband said:
So just because a fictional event takes place in a video game, I should automatically research and question no further and essentially adopt this flawless logic to real life. What could go wrong? :ohstopit: :shrug: :ROFLMAO:
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That does sound like an idiotic statement doesn't it. I mean, what kind of person attempts to apply real world principles to the rules of a video game involving cyborgs and ninjas.

I don't believe in Tarot either but I point and laugh at people who'd discard it in Cyberpunk 2077.

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What is this and Who is this?
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Start at 15:00
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fridgeband

fridgeband

Senior user
#12,977
Jan 8, 2021
Willowhugger said:
That does sound like an idiotic statement doesn't it. I mean, what kind of person attempts to apply real world principles to the rules of a video game involving cyborgs and ninjas.

I don't believe in Tarot either but I point and laugh at people who'd discard it in Cyberpunk 2077.

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Tarot cards aren't proof and what is that video supposed to show? V flies out into space... okay..? So?
 
Willowhugger

Willowhugger

Forum veteran
#12,978
Jan 8, 2021
fridgeband said:
Tarot cards aren't proof and what is that video supposed to show? V flies out into space... okay..? So?
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1. Yes, they are because that's what the game says happened.

2. Mr. Blue Eyes contacts you earlier in the game and says he has what you want. If you complete the Peralzes. Legend V is going to do this mission for his or her cure.

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The Blue Eyed Man shows up watching you during that mission's end.
 
fridgeband

fridgeband

Senior user
#12,979
Jan 8, 2021
Willowhugger said:
1. Yes, they are because that's what the game says happened.

2. Mr. Blue Eyes contacts you earlier in the game and says he has what you want. If you complete the Peralzes. Legend V is going to do this mission for his or her cure.
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I don't see the part where V succeeds at any mission and gets a cure.
I don't see any part where the tarot cards say exactly what will happen down to perfect detail and get proven right.
Show me this please.
 
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NikitaNiki

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#12,980
Jan 8, 2021
Willowhugger said:
Except the ones where he's immortal and probably gets cured.
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"Probably" is actually "maybe". In both the Nomads ending and The V is a Legend ending you are chasing the "hope" of a cure. Those endings provide hope. They do not provide proof of an actual cure.

I also don't really consider V joining the other collections of data beyond the black wall as immortality. If you do, that's fine, but Alt says multiple times across many conversations that she is not Alt Cunningham anymore. Just as V would not be V anymore after time spent in cyberspace. More than that, it's not a satisfying ending to many players. Otherwise we wouldn't have hundreds of pages of this, right?
 
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