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[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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Do you want more RPGs with happy endings?

  • Yes, I miss happy endings.

    Votes: 503 42.0%
  • No, I am content with the endings currently offered.

    Votes: 122 10.2%
  • I think that the option should be available for those who want it.

    Votes: 354 29.6%
  • It’s more complicated than that.

    Votes: 218 18.2%

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WingedArchon

WingedArchon

Forum regular
#13,001
Jan 8, 2021
Would it be weird to say that if you can change your mind about and ending between it being good or bad that the ending is at least inconclusive by default? (Not to say bad straight up)
I would reckon an ending should say: and this is what it, dot.end
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Add to that, i mean then the moral direction mostly.
 
SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Senior user
#13,002
Jan 8, 2021
WingedArchon said:
Would it be weird to say that if you can change your mind about and ending between it being good or bad that the ending is at least inconclusive by default? (Not to say bad straight up)
I would reckon an ending should say: and this is what it, dot.end
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Add to that, i mean then the moral direction mostly.
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I like Dishonored, where your ending was determined by your entire gameplay and choices throughout entire game, not by 2 sidequest chains and dialog option right before ending sequence.
 
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#13,003
Jan 8, 2021
SaulTuk said:
And why is that? V get no glory, no wealth, he must run Night City, never to return, and live the rest of his life with techno-barbarians among dust and sand. This is a fine good ending by me, freedom and brotherhood at the price of glory, wealth and civilized life you, obviously, cheerish so high)
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Because it's a cutscene with no buildup or player involvement, it was not earned. Similar to the 30 secs Jackie montage, "me and Jackie are best friends because I watched this 30 secs cutscene". That's not how it works.

You didn't choose to leave NC, you chose to go to back to your body, but now for some reason, you are also leaving NC. Idk how players are not seeing the problem here? I'm playing an RPG to make my own choices, not to watch cutscenes I have no control over.
 
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I_Willenbrock_I

I_Willenbrock_I

Senior user
#13,004
Jan 8, 2021
WingedArchon said:
Would it be weird to say that if you can change your mind about and ending between it being good or bad that the ending is at least inconclusive by default? (Not to say bad straight up)
I would reckon an ending should say: and this is what it, dot.end
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Add to that, i mean then the moral direction mostly.
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It's objectively bad, because it negates what the story tried to achieve and because it makes basically all losses and sacrifices meaningless.
It's objectively bad, because it retcons existing lore and principles just to ham fist the story into a certain direction.
It's objectively bad, because the epilogues don't have a clear structure and basically are an animated part of the endings and not really an epilogue, where you should reflect on the events and outcome of the story.

The logical outcome for the story should have been a V living without strings attached. The negative downsides should have been the social aspect. Death friends (oh snap - V does not even have lots of friends outside of Vic, misty and the love interests), loss of Johnny, sozial isolation, loss of reputation (who wants to hire a fucking terrorist?), crushed body, implications of survivors guilt and ptsd...
 
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SaulTuk

SaulTuk

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#13,005
Jan 8, 2021
tRYSIS3 said:
Because it's a cutscene with no buildup or player participation, it was not earned
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Probably i don't know a thing about narration laws, immersion and other stuff, unlike you.
For me, except 6 months idiocy, the nomad endings was good. Not happyhereafter, but just good.
The other endings, in my opinion, should be replaced by just one - V became rich, famous merc, but also new Arasaka top hitman, taking the job of indisposed Smasher. Wealth, fame, status, future, but no real freedom for loyal Arasaka lapdog. That's the price of edgerunner's dream came true.
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I_Willenbrock_I said:
loss of reputation
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Yeah, and a hint of that was in the game, where Rogue tells V that aftet the Heist disaster V is considered cursed and no one want to work with him. That's why V does gigs alone - no one want to share the fate of Jackie, T-Bug or Dex))
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tRYSIS3 said:
You didn't choose to leave NC, you chose to go to back to your body, but now for some reason, you are also leaving NC. Idk how players are not seeing the problem here? I'm playing an RPG to make my own choices, not to watch cutscenes I have no control over.
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Ah, this is different aspect i agree with. Why can't V storm Mikoshi with nomads, and then stay in NC, or vice versa, storm alone and then join nomands, is beyond me. Still, you just like NC, don't like nomads and was furious when plot forced your V to join them, admit it))
 
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tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

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#13,006
Jan 8, 2021
SaulTuk said:
Ah, this is different aspect i agree with. Why can't V storm Mikoshi with nomads, and then stay in NC, or vice versa, storm alone and then join nomands, is beyond me. Still, you just like NC, don't like nomads and was furious when plot forced your V to join them, admit it))
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I played all endings (Arasaka first), all of them are equally bad to me for different reasons
 
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SaulTuk

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#13,007
Jan 8, 2021
tRYSIS3 said:
I played all endings (Arasaka first), all of them are equally bad to me for different reasons
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No arguement here, all of them are bad indeed. And i doubt they'll be fixed in any way, because the vast majority of players (according to a Steam and Gog statistics) will not finish the game at all, so will not complain about endings. Only 34% of players talked to Hanako in Embers, a mere 3 percents completed all markers (gigs, NCPD signals). So we better forget the hope for the more players reach the endings and join our protest - they won't, and number of players online are in a freefall and keeps diminishing.
 
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WingedArchon

WingedArchon

Forum regular
#13,008
Jan 8, 2021
I_Willenbrock_I said:
It's objectively bad, because it negates what the story tried to achieve and because it makes basically all losses and sacrifices meaningless.
It's objectively bad, because it retcons existing lore and principles just to ham fist the story into a certain direction.
It's objectively bad, because the epilogues don't have a clear structure and basically are an animated part of the endings and not really an epilogue, where you should reflect on the events and outcome of the story.

The logical outcome for the story should have been a V living without strings attached. The negative downsides should have been the social aspect. Death friends (oh snap - V does not even have lots of friends outside of Vic, misty and the love interests), loss of Johnny, sozial isolation, loss of reputation (who wants to hire a fucking terrorist?), crushed body, implications of survivors guilt and ptsd...
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That was also exactly what I meant by that. The story has you running a certain direction. And then the ending should capitalize. But what we got is.. "if you look at it from view A its this, but if you look from view B its that" and so on.

Therefore I said, and I will reinforce it. If the ending is subject to points of view, where at least 1 pov is not aligned with all that came before, then the ending is bad.
 
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Barsenthor

Barsenthor

Senior user
#13,009
Jan 8, 2021
tRYSIS3 said:
Because it's a cutscene with no buildup or player involvement, it was not earned. Similar to the 30 secs Jackie montage, "me and Jackie are best friends because I watched this 30 secs cutscene". That's not how it works.

You didn't choose to leave NC, you chose to go to back to your body, but now for some reason, you are also leaving NC. Idk how players are not seeing the problem here? I'm playing an RPG to make my own choices, not to watch cutscenes I have no control over.
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The game was forcing hard the whole concept of Happy lalaland country side, both with Nomads and with badlands ending. It didn’t escape ofc the plot cancer but it was the least grimdank.

Still for me in the game about “choices” and “shaping your story” it was terrible, since I would never leave big city to live in the rural parts.
But we all know what this game thinks about anything other than story rails and Johnny - unimportant to be written off once it outlives its usefulness to the both objectives of the game.
 
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SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Senior user
#13,010
Jan 8, 2021
Barsenthor said:
and Johnny
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You can't even ask your romance for a date (ride in a car with her/him, choose a place and activity, talk, etc), but you can ask out Johnny's old girlfriend!
 
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WingedArchon

WingedArchon

Forum regular
#13,011
Jan 8, 2021
SaulTuk said:
You can't even ask your romance for a date (ride in a car with her/him, choose a place and activity, talk, etc), but you can ask out Johnny's old girlfriend!
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I knooow, that was really dissapointing.
I'll go one step further. Imagine Claire as your romance and you'd go for races, challenging other hobo's in NC. Fast and furious style
 
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SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Senior user
#13,012
Jan 8, 2021
Cyberpunk 2077: Resolve the plot of half-century dead rockerboy, make amends with his friends and ex-s, and then please die somewhere, we don't care - CDPR plot team)
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WingedArchon said:
I knooow, that was really dissapointing.
I'll go one step further. Imagine Claire as your romance and you'd go for races, challenging other hobo's in NC. Fast and furious style
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Claire doesn't need V and isn't into V at all, she just needs hitman to kill an innocent man)
 
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WingedArchon

WingedArchon

Forum regular
#13,013
Jan 8, 2021
For which I had to drop a 1st place victory no less.
 
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I_Willenbrock_I

I_Willenbrock_I

Senior user
#13,014
Jan 8, 2021
I just watched the legends endings discussion with V about who is going to keep the body.

They started having a discussion about what it's like being an engram. The second is became interesting and possibly insightful about whether a digital soul exists or doesn't, alt swoops in in an almost comedical way and tells us that she fucked up and comes up with the DNA bullshit, proclaiming the finality of the situation. She ignores that immune systems don't attack thought patterns and neural nets, just because a different mind gets uploaded.
I guess imune system suppressants and gene therapy ceased to exist in this universe (despite knowing it does exist).

Our perfect deus ex machina is defective.

This whole discussion destroyed the story and lore by bringing up a new mechanism last minute only, to give us a fake choice at the end.


This is poor on so many levels.
 
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SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Senior user
#13,015
Jan 8, 2021
WingedArchon said:
For which I had to drop a 1st place victory no less.
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But in return you'll get a car!) Not like you have plently of them, mostly received free for some jobs and gigs completion). As far as i know, you can received two bikes (Jackie's and Scorpion's), default car (actually decent enough for a tight traffic), Delamain cab (big ugly slow coffin), black sport car, and Johnny's Porsche. More than enough for me, see no reason to spend my eddies on cars, where i must constantly upgrade my legendary Widowmaker.
 
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I_Willenbrock_I

I_Willenbrock_I

Senior user
#13,016
Jan 8, 2021
Oh and in addition, the Johnny gets the body part achieves to assassinate two characters at one.
Great job CDPR not even bioware was able to do that.

V immediately roles over and gives up and Johnny turns from normal to psyco in under 1.5 seconds.

"it was cringe father."
 
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WingedArchon

WingedArchon

Forum regular
#13,017
Jan 8, 2021
SaulTuk said:
But in return you'll get a car!) Not like you have plently of them, mostly received free for some jobs and gigs completion). As far as i know, you can received two bikes (Jackie's and Scorpion's), default car (actually decent enough for a tight traffic), Delamain cab (big ugly slow coffin), black sport car, and Johnny's Porsche. More than enough for me, see no reason to spend my eddies on cars, where i must constantly upgrade my legendary Widowmaker.
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I bought CT-3X because I think its the coolest bike, then I got the Avenger because of it the coolest streetcar and finally I got Coyote because its the go-to Nomad cruiser.
And while I had like 7 other vehicles I rarely ever rode those.
Btw, just for sentiment sake (and piss off Johnny) I'm gonna retrieve my starting Nomad vehicle also, this time
 
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Simuxas

Simuxas

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#13,018
Jan 8, 2021
Another day, another meme
 
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Ollymorg

Ollymorg

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#13,019
Jan 8, 2021
worldcompany said:
All the seven ends are really dark and sad. Like really. we need a happy ending.


Edit: What do you think of the alternative endings, all of them are sad, and from what I see that people want at least one a happy one, atleast like a Top secret-Easter Egg, at least to achieve it with legendary clothes and level 50, or at least in extreme hard mode. What would be the best idea to fit?
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Dude, have you played 7 already? pretty epic!
 
SaulTuk

SaulTuk

Senior user
#13,020
Jan 8, 2021
Simuxas said:
Another day, another meme
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You either die as a hero, or live long enough to become a meme generator.
 
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