But it should be noted that this recently changed with the PS4 release issues; the DLC is consequently post-poned as a result. But it's still on its way. [edit] Yeah, the packs will be free, but the expansions are simply extensions to the story. Referring back to my original post - looking into and replaying it, none of the endings besides suicide actually imply that V is dead/a goner, they all indicate that something is brewing.
I'm going to add my two cents, and possibly some major overlooked spoilers.. but..
The "Solo" Secret ending and Nomad ending actually imply good things. Both indicate that there is a possible cure, the Solo ending because:
A mysterious figure called Mr Blue Eyes is in charge of V's contract, and it is said that he knows stuff that no one else has ever heard of. After the Casino Heist is completed, he/she tells Mr Blue Eyes to remember their end of the bargain - Mr Blue Eyes assures them that they haven't forgotten.
This eludes to the idea that whoever Mr Blue Eyes is, his connections are way above even Arasaka Tech. And who is above the corporations in terms of technological power in the Cyberpunk universe? The NUSA. It's already shown that there is one character in 2077 we interact with who goes by the alias 'A', and it turns out he's working for the NUSA. This 'A' is also noted for having Blue Eyes.
The Nomad Ending very likely connects this with, because the Nomads mention that they "know someone" that might be able to help.
Even the Johnny taking over ending indicates that V is not gone, because when interacting with V's romance interest, they ask what's wrong - noting that they know something isn't right with V. Johnny responds, imitating V as best they can, that everything will be alright.. soon.
This same implication is seen and heard in the ending where he appears by V's grave, and says that he wont be in a female body any more (if playing Female V) or in the same body any more - that things are going to change very soon.
Hope this gives a few people a little hope. The Expansion DLC that is to come is confirmed to be as big as all three Witcher 3 DLC's combined - we're getting a whole extra game from V's perspective.
It is also important to note that the ONLY person from Arasaka that you can trust is Takemura, especially if he survives.
He is honor-bound, and even sacrifices his personal vengeance so that V can be saved. He assures you if you opt for the Arasaka ending that you and him will meet again -- I trust Takemura that, as a character, he is not about to let shady things happen to V.
So do not trust anything other than Takemura tells you. A lot of the stuff you find out about the Relic turns out to only be partial-truth in the game as well, like Hellman stating that Johnny will try to take advantage and make grabs for power.
In the Nomad and Crystal Palace endings the original V is already dead, cause they got zapped with Soulkiller when they entered Mikoshi. So much for "hope".
CDPR's own words, the ending IS considered final. It is not supposed to lead to future extensions, similar to how the ending of a movie like Inception was. The story is self contained.
They either "fix" the game and add a different ending, or that would be it. The DLC won't be a continuation of the story.
The idea with soulkiller is that it enables immortalization through digitization of a person's conscious mind - which is what a lot of people may have missed.
Arasaka's whole 'Engram' program is the quest for immortality; Cyberspace is that conclusive result, and Alt Cunningham is an example of 'ascendance' through the immortalization of a person's soul through digitization. Technically, V isn't dead.
But it should be noted that this recently changed with the PS4 release issues; the DLC is consequently post-poned as a result. But it's still on its way. [edit] Yeah, the packs will be free, but the expansions are simply extensions to the story. Referring back to my original post - looking into and replaying it, none of the endings besides suicide actually imply that V is dead/a goner, they all indicate that something is brewing.
Actually the more I read this the better the bs Ciri thing appears to me. She controls time, doesn't she?
She could reset your body to pre-relic state.
CDPR would get the opportunity to do fan service and create their own connected universe.
Yeah that also sounds as a great idea. They could make many more stories, even continue franchise if they do ending properly. I dont mind waiting even a year, or having to through everything again. Just to get a ending worth fight for
In the Nomad and Crystal Palace endings the original V is already dead, cause they got zapped with Soulkiller when they entered Mikoshi. So much for "hope".
Exactly, this is a big problem. It is implied a few times that Soulkiller is worst than death and what remains is basically a program without a soul. So whether the copy has 6 months left or not, is irrelevant to many, now if it was the original V things likely would be different.
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CDPR's own words, the ending IS considered final. It is not supposed to lead to future extensions, similar to how the ending of a movie like Inception was. The story is self contained.
To be fair, we also know that this message is a lie, or at the very least that things probably changed since they originally sent it. There may be some people who accept the endings or think they make sense or whatever, but I think there's few people who would consider these ending 'rewarding' (at least as they are). What's rewarding about death, impending death or something very close to it? As for withheld content, we'll know when we get more content, because we know where it's clearly been cut from (like, everywhere).
But it should be noted that this recently changed with the PS4 release issues; the DLC is consequently post-poned as a result. But it's still on its way. [edit] Yeah, the packs will be free, but the expansions are simply extensions to the story. Referring back to my original post - looking into and replaying it, none of the endings besides suicide actually imply that V is dead/a goner, they all indicate that something is brewing.
Nothing inside that link talks about an "extension" to the story. They might as well be about a different character entirely. Stop spreading misinformation.
“We’ve mentioned before that expansions will be coming, and while we’re not ready to talk specifics just yet, we will say that we’ve learned a lot from our work on both Hearts of Stone & Blood and Wine. Our planned expansions will take you even deeper into the world of Cyberpunk 2077, offering substantial, story-driven content that’ll give you tough choices to make through impactful narratives that you won’t soon forget,”
To be fair, we also know that this message is a lie, or at the very least that things probably changed since they originally sent it. There may be some people who accept the endings or think they make sense or whatever, but I think there's few people who would consider these ending 'rewarding' (at least as they are). What's rewarding about death, impending death or something very close to it? As for withheld content, we'll know when we get more content, because we know where it's clearly been cut from (like, everywhere).
I just read today someone saying that the "suicide" ending felt rewarding after they poured 100+ hours into the game. Many will definitely not put much thought into it. As we also know, many believe the Nomad ending to be "good" when it obviously isn't.
Exactly, this is a big problem. It is implied a few times that Soulkiller is worst than death and what remains is basically a program without a soul. So whether the copy has 6 months left or not, is irrelevant to many, now if it was the original V things likely would be different.
This will bring us back to the philosophical aspect from a few pages ago.
In my book, the mind is a lot of data stored in a biocomputer so an Engram would still be me.
But there are other views on this and all are acceptable to me.
But if you think like me regarding this you dont even get a happy ending with engram V and if you think the emgram option is worse than death, guess what, even if you avoid that you only get bad endings.
However your stance on this question is, it is irrelevant for the actual choice of outcomes at the moment.
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CDPR's own words, the ending IS considered final. It is not supposed to lead to future extensions, similar to how the ending of a movie like Inception was. The story is self contained.
They either "fix" the game and add a different ending, or that would be it. The DLC won't be a continuation of the story.
Chances of fixing endings/writing new ones are close to zero. Mid game expansions packs make no sense since Act 1 would require a retcon and Act2 and 3 are fight against time. It’s really strange that we get the Act 3 since act 2 ends with V almost being flatlined buy the chip - even Johnny says that you should go meet with Hanoko since you have barley any time left: and in story time line this is true, since you end up on Vic chair after meeting starting the strings of the last Missions.
CDPR probably meant with this quote that there is no hidden agenda. Main story as it is triangle V - Johnny - Biochip is over. And all endings are proving this since in no endings we see continuation of this triangle.
The DLC is free. This was confirmed with a message in the pre-launch Trailer a day before the game went live. All the more indicating that V's story was never meant to end in the standard game.
Chances of fixing endings/writing new ones are close to zero. Mid game expansions packs make no sense since Act 1 would require a retcon and Act2 and 3 are fight against time. It’s really strange that we get the Act 3 since act 2 ends with V almost being flatlined buy the chip - even Johnny says that you should go meet with Hanoko since you have barley any time left: and in story time line this is true, since you end up on Vic chair after meeting starting the strings of the last Missions.
CDPR probably meant with this quote that there is no hidden agenda. Main story as it is triangle V - Johnny - Biochip is over. And all endings are proving this since in no endings we see continuation of this triangle.
Then just extend the existing endings. Make it clear that Nomads/Blue Eyes have a way to find a cure and keep us guessing if it worked. As longs as CDPR does not confirm V died later, my headcannon can still be that they made it.
Extend Arasaka ending to give you a glimpse of recovered V getting a phone call from Panam/Judy to start over or sth. like that.
You don't have to spoonfeed me information, just show me that my headcanon has full freedom to believe whatever I want. And I want to believe there is a happy ending.
Mass Effect 3 managed this with the Extended Cut. Why can't this game?
This will bring us back to the philosophical aspect from a few pages ago.
In my book, the mind is a lot of data stored in a biocomputer so an Engram would still be me.
But there are other views on this and all are acceptable to me.
But if you think like me regarding this you dont even get a happy ending with engram V and if you think the emgram option is worse than death, guess what, even if you avoid that you only get bad endings.
However your stance on this question is, it is irrelevant for the actual choice of outcomes at the moment.
Here's the thing about the engram, if it can be copied once, it can be copied a 100 times (this is true with Saburo). There might as well be 100 Vs running around in NC, if you don't mind being a "clone" then that's fine, but it's not fine for everyone.
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CDPR's own words, the ending IS considered final. It is not supposed to lead to future extensions, similar to how the ending of a movie like Inception was. The story is self contained.
They either "fix" the game and add a different ending, or that would be it. The DLC won't be a continuation of the story.
SPOILERS FOR INCEPTION. Inception had many clues that guy woke up at end. First one and most important is from the guy who wrote script. He said that every scene where is old guy aka father that he is awake. Second he said in move multiple times that he had same nightmare. He called and called his kids and he never saw their faces and at the end he saw them. Third watch his marrying ring, he is never wearing ring when he is awake, only in dreams. At last scene where he gave passport to customs he didnt have it. So no it is not like inception. Story is just not really finished here. Well i can still hope a bit that whole story is not yet here. That DLC will finnish story on a nicer tone.
Here's the thing about the engram, if it can be copied once, it can be copied a 100 times (this is true with Saburo). There might as well be 100 Vs running around in NC, if you don't mind being a "clone" then that's fine, but it's not fine for everyone.
At least 1 ending should be suitable for someone. I might like that one, but you don't. You perhaps prefer another one. Perfectly fine.
But at the moment all 7 endings only cater to the edgelords imo. (Maybe Nomad one to a lesser degree)
That is not freedom of choice or good writing in my book.
SPOILERS FOR INCEPTION. Inception had many clues that guy woke up at end. First one and most important is from the guy who wrote script. He said that every scene where is old guy aka father that he is awake. Second he said in move multiple times that he had same nightmare. He called and called his kids and he never saw their faces and at the end he saw them. Third watch his marrying ring, he is never wearing ring when he is awake, only in dreams. At last scene where he gave passport to customs he didnt have it. So no it is not like inception. Story is just not really finished here. Well i can still hope a bit that whole story is not yet here. That DLC will finnish story on a nicer tone.
I mean if you dont trust me look it up. I dont wanna sound like an ass, but I really fell like story isnt finished here. Like i did all that for what? So that Judy can see me not keeping my promise, for destroying her a bit more? Like fine but why tell me there might be cure and leave story there,you culd be just real, i am dying there is no hope and then go and ask Judy or panam to be with you to the end of days but this it is not okay to me imo. I mean i like a bit too much V, and rest of the gang to just let go. I cant
Having completed the game twice (both as male and female V), the endings are pretty awful. I get the dystopian nature of the Cyberpunk world but as a lot of other posters have pointed out the choices you make during the game are rendered irrelevant. Ultimately your choices boil down to one of three potential outcomes:
V dies by suicide
V surrenders control to Johnny
V dies in 6 months, either with severely impacted functionality due to the surgery or just straight dies 6 months down the road
The whole point of the game to me was to start out as a no name merc who would then go on to progress an achieve legendary status. The relic itself was a nice plot twist and helped your character develop as they change to valuing survival more than being immortalised. Ultimately, like a lot of other people here I went for the nomad ending as it’s the “best” of the currently available options. However, having explored the other outcomes there is potentially a way to rectify the situation (or at least offer a meaningful choice) while tying it into the DLC.
At the end of the blaze of glory outcome (regardless of whether you did it solo or with Rogue and her dying) you end up meeting Mr Blue Eyes who sets you up with a mission to extract customer data from the Crystal Palace. However, what I’ve yet to see is people reference his comments about upholding his side of the bargain / never forgetting a promise as we’re never told what this entails. Given that if you have either romanced Panam or Judy at this point they indicate that they’ll be leaving Night City (with Panam explicitly stating tomorrow), there is in theory enough time for the heist to be completed before they depart. While we don’t know a huge amount about Mr Blue Eyes himself, my theory is that he is an AI who managed to escape either during or sometime prior to V’s interaction with the Voodoo Boys when they were attempting to breach the blackwall in Cyberspace.
As such, he could either reach out to the player on the Nomad ending or during the standard sequence of events with a promise to slow down or reverse the damage done by the relic in exchange for information from the Casino. In addition, this could easily be excused in terms of dialog as to why you wouldn’t tell your love interest by going down the road of not wanting to get hopes up again after the Mikoshi events with Alt. However, during the heist V comes to understand what it is that Mr Blue Eyes intends to do with the data. Following on from the events of the Peralez storyline, the intention is to target rich and powerful individuals in society with the long-term aim of conditioning them via neural rewiring. The story leaves V with several choices during the mission.
Blow it all to bits. Deciding that the player has nothing to live for and has come to despise everything from being lied to, used and ultimately betrayed they set the station to blow. This wipes out everything in a cruel parody of Silverhand’s behaviour from the base game.
Hand over the data. Mr Blue Eyes upholds his end of the deal but at a price. The chip cannot be safely removed, and one of two consequences will happen depending on how much the chip had progressed in the base game.
V will always suffer periodic pains, hallucinations and memory loss from the chip. but with the caveat of a longer life. You return to your love interest (if you have one) with the option to leave the city (either with the nomads or via a different method).
The damage is reversed without any long-term effects. However, as an insurance the chip is modified with a kill switch should V attempt to interfere with Mr Blue Eye’s plans. He makes a new deal saying that so long as V causes no trouble, he / she will lead a normal life. You leave to re-join your love interest but with the fear of always looking over your shoulder.
Refuse to hand over the data. Doing this condemns V to 6 months of remaining life but ensures the City and potentially world won’t be subject to the AI’s whims. This decision ultimately protects night city but enrages Mr Blue Eyes who vows that V and anyone he / she cares for will never be safe and that he’ll always be watching
Anyway, this is just some rough ideas or a framework of a potential way forward. I’m not a story writer so please don’t give me too much shit lol. Just want a better ending than what we got.
Chances of fixing endings/writing new ones are close to zero. Mid game expansions packs make no sense since Act 1 would require a retcon and Act2 and 3 are fight against time. It’s really strange that we get the Act 3 since act 2 ends with V almost being flatlined buy the chip - even Johnny says that you should go meet with Hanoko since you have barley any time left: and in story time line this is true, since you end up on Vic chair after meeting starting the strings of the last Missions.
CDPR probably meant with this quote that there is no hidden agenda. Main story as it is triangle V - Johnny - Biochip is over. And all endings are proving this since in no endings we see continuation of this triangle.
