The death sound is an audio bug and in the succeeding phone calls they clearly talk to you as if you were alive. And we don't definitively know if V is dead or alive.
More precisely. Not dead yet.
That's why I am interested to see that the dlc/expansion have in stick for us
Although I will not buy expansions day one if they are just glorified tressure hunts.
How do we know that? The only ending where we dont get that are V attacking space station where suit starts expelling gasses - and where Johnny takes over. All others we hear V die before phone calls. And why on earth would V ignore everyone for weeks/moths on end when shes with some of them in some endings. i.e. V is dead and cannot respond.
why on earth kill the main character of a new saga? (the six months thing) is clearly a
narrative expedient. Why put effort in 100 hours on a character then piss it away? after those endings and cliffhangers?
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lol and by the way the third square of the story isn't even complete (60 %) during the ending.
narrative expedient. Why put effort in 100 hours on a character then piss it away? after those endings and cliffhangers?
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lol and by the way the third square of the story isn't even complete (60 %) during the ending.
umm.. logic.
6 endings essentially.
V dead in cyberspace replaced by Johnny
V dead on earth after returning
4 possible romance partners - who break up with V
how can you write a DLC "sequel" about a character who has six separate endings - some of which in physical form but in multiple different locations before death. Other endings V in cyberspace I don't agree and wish they could - but they painted themselves in a corner.
There is no logical reason to have even their romance partner leave them and move on if you are going to continue with a V character.
There is no explanation why V would ghost everyone they knew - except if Johnny there being a self centered person not letting Vs friends know shes dead.
I would want it to be possible - but frankly its not. The ending is the worst part to a game II thoroughly enjoyed - but not its fatalistic no point to it all, all roads lead to rome
You have to eject the V in cyberspace endings.
You have to eject the Johnny in V's body endings
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The 6 months endings could all lead to the same result:
- The space heist. You do a small mission, in exchange, Mr.Blue Eyes tells you where you can find a cure
- Nomad. You meet Panams contacts, they tell you where to find a cure.
- Arasaka and back to earth. You meet someone else (maybe Mr. Blue Eyes), who tells you where to find a cure.
Not everyone "joins" the Aldacados.
Mr. Blue eyes is only there is you solo Arasaka - he is not present as you are not uber legend if you leave with the Nomads. How and why would Mr. Blue Eyes hire some Nomads fleeing to Arizona instead of runners in NC.
Mr. Blue eyes doesn't hire you to go after Arasaka with a reborn Soboru heading Arasaka
Science wise - you have lost your chance to a cure. If the memories of V and Johnny both placed upon a nanite healed brain then you could live. As a merged V/Johnny. Fully splitting the two - when current brain tissue is converting from one to the other seals both fates. alternately - nanite healing brain cells but essentially a wipe - you lose memories. But the months passed since being with ALT close those doors.
Lol you have never experienced an rpg I think, 6 endings that merge into 2/3 outcome that can easily be continued:
why did they foreshadow us the Heist? the crystal palace? lmao
anyway:
- The space heist. You do a small mission, in exchange, Mr.Blue Eyes tells you where you can find a cure
- Nomad. You meet Panams contacts, they tell you where to find a cure.
- Arasaka and back to earth. You meet someone else (maybe Mr. Blue Eyes), who tells you where to find a cure.
Assume much?
BG/BG2/PS:T, NwN and sequels and expansions, etc etc etc...
"tell you where to find a cure"
So magic shaman casts a spell to cure you where:
Creator of chip plus company that made it fails
ALT - uber AI - fails.
But there is some person/organization out there with a healing potion I suppose that have more knowledge than both Arasaka and Alt Cunningham
The creator of the chip said there was no treatment. Doing the mission with ALT was a hail mary - that failed.
ALT states brain too far gone/changed
Arasaka says essentially as much
both would have to be lying to V
V is already dead - hence the phone calls from people who havent heard from you in weeks and months,.
Why would V ghost everyone V knew.
we are in 2020, games are always "game as a service", the dlcs and expansions will arrive and at least one of the big expansions will continue the game after the ending cause the game is not complete, it's not even finished.
We have the cliffhangers, we have the foreshadowing of a new area and quest, all endings are literallty placeholders for dlcs and a story dlc for this game could work only after the end. The third square in the menu stays at 60% so?
Lol when judy calls in the aldecaldo ending is implied that V is still alive, this a game that needs support during next years it's no a movie, wake up old samurai
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I have no doubt there can/should be expansions. Their expansions for W3 were fantastic and popular.
BUT - I cannot see any meaningful expansion for V.
Too many variables in the ending. You would have so many players unable to load their ending into expansion if its about V - as what 5/6 endings are moot if they take one as canon.
So many signs V is already dead. Sounds plus phone calls plus everything we are told.
The space mission was "one last run" as V's situation deteriorating again - so much so that their romance interest dumps them.
One cannot say all endings are placeholders for DLCs when the endings are so vastly different and cannot be reconciled together.
Johnny as V is not compatible with V dying in desert or in space.
We only have foreshadowing that you mention in ONE ending. And can more easily explained that you aren't in contact with Judy and Judy assuming/hoping youre still around. There is no alluding to that if you go to space. Or if you are dead, maybe an AI, but dead regardless and Johnny takes bus or Johnny goes to space.
Any
expansions
before the
endings MAKE NO SENSE
Simply they wanted this situation in the forums, theory crafting and anxiety about the destiny of our hero.
Trust me will be just like this:
this a proof anyway
expansions
before the
endings MAKE NO SENSE
Simply they wanted this situation in the forums, theory crafting and anxiety about the destiny of our hero.
Trust me will be just like this:
- The space heist. You do a small mission, in exchange, Mr.Blue Eyes tells you where you can find a cure
- Nomad. You meet Panams contacts, they tell you where to find a cure.
- Arasaka and back to earth. You meet someone else (maybe Mr. Blue Eyes), who tells you where to find a cure.
this a proof anyway
Hearts of Stone is an expansion before the ending of the game (can be done after too) but it was there the whole time - NOT a post ending expansion. Dual nature.
and that is meaningless. If they had the death number continue to climb during gameplay it is a gameplay mechanic and would push players to hurry and do main content not knowing unlike most other open world games there would not be able to do other stuff when main mission is over. Its simple gameplay mechanic. That's it - they didnt want to prod people for main mission too much.
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- The space heist. You do a small mission, in exchange, Mr.Blue Eyes tells you where you can find a cure
- Nomad. You meet Panams contacts, they tell you where to find a cure.
- Arasaka and back to earth. You meet someone else (maybe Mr. Blue Eyes), who tells you where to find a cure."
Anyone who let Johnny take over cannot load save game to expansion about V
how can you do a continuing expansion when so many cannot continue their saves.
It makes little sense for blue eyes to hire dying nomad in arizona desert to go to space. - have to go back to NC and launch pad.
not everyone joins the nomads!
one one ending do you go with the nomads - ONE ending.
not the gun ending
arasaka endings
johnny and rogue go in
etc, etc
you are writing fan faction over ONE ending. how can you write and design a post ending expansion (when NONE of their previous expansions have been purely post expansion, all were dual natured but yes Band W feels like post ending one granted) when so many of the endings would prohibit you from importing a save game.
again - who is this mystcal healer who has a magic cure who can cure what both Arasaka and ALT failed to be able to do.
that's not a fan fiction I am following what the writers are telling us with their narrative language. This is not a bioware rpg or bethesda, this is cdpr, europeans have a different taste about the endings in a story.
The game support will last years a post story campaign is implicit, maybe you don't like but that's the situation.
-6 months does not implie = DEATH NOW
-when Judy calls you it's obvious V is still alive
(anyway Blood and Wine canonically was set after the main story)
The game support will last years a post story campaign is implicit, maybe you don't like but that's the situation.
-6 months does not implie = DEATH NOW
-when Judy calls you it's obvious V is still alive
(anyway Blood and Wine canonically was set after the main story)
Go with Panam: meet up some contact with good connections (someone at Metacorp?) and get sent to Crystal Palace.
NCL Ending: Already being sent there
Arasaka ending: Maybe get sent to Crystal Palace as part of Hanako's task.
Also everything in this thread is gonna be fan fiction until we actually get the expansion.
NCL Ending: Already being sent there
Arasaka ending: Maybe get sent to Crystal Palace as part of Hanako's task.
Also everything in this thread is gonna be fan fiction until we actually get the expansion.
Note that there are 3 endings in which V is still a human. And there a 3 endings in which V is a digital being.
1. Rouge1. In space heist V clearly dies. It's sad you cannot abort the mission. Or just don't do the mission and go with Panam or whatever. Victor is actually saying (in mails) not to trust Blue Eyes. And clearly Blue Eyes sabotaged the mission. Probably as Arasaka revenge.
2. Panam1. From what Panam says on the credits -- this is the only one in which V as V is still alive (for some time at least). It is weird that V ghosted out everyone else though.
3. Hanako1. This was the saddest for me. I'm trying to survive on a space station and nobody even wants to talk to me? This is harsh. Anyway... if you choose to go back to Earth you seem not to make it back somehow... Or so it seems from e.g. what Victor says on the credits. Would be more fun if the answers to tests actually matter. E.g. if you say that "Arasaka" is "hope" you can cheat them to think you are OK and they don't kill you.
4,5. Rouge2 and Panam2. Digital V with Alt. Note that in Panam2 V actually says he would like to go with Alt. That this being digital at least gives some hope. And in Rouge2 V fights with J on the bridge so that J goes back to the body. So also V seem to want to go with Alt.
6. Hanako2. Mikoshi. From other endings and from e-mails we know that Relic doesn't work. Actually even in brain-dance with Evelyn there is an e-mail from Hellman in which he says that Relic doesn't really work. Yes, at the beginning. As seems Mikoshi is only used to gather intel, not to actually preserve humans. From e-mails etc there are info that their success rate is very small... So that doesn't give much hope for V. But maybe V could be saved from Mikoshi later.
And there is always Johnny. Except from very sad cemetery scene. With all those graves of NPCs... So that is still a bit of a hopeful ending. Johnny has changed. He could still live and continue the story.
1. Rouge1. In space heist V clearly dies. It's sad you cannot abort the mission. Or just don't do the mission and go with Panam or whatever. Victor is actually saying (in mails) not to trust Blue Eyes. And clearly Blue Eyes sabotaged the mission. Probably as Arasaka revenge.
2. Panam1. From what Panam says on the credits -- this is the only one in which V as V is still alive (for some time at least). It is weird that V ghosted out everyone else though.
3. Hanako1. This was the saddest for me. I'm trying to survive on a space station and nobody even wants to talk to me? This is harsh. Anyway... if you choose to go back to Earth you seem not to make it back somehow... Or so it seems from e.g. what Victor says on the credits. Would be more fun if the answers to tests actually matter. E.g. if you say that "Arasaka" is "hope" you can cheat them to think you are OK and they don't kill you.
4,5. Rouge2 and Panam2. Digital V with Alt. Note that in Panam2 V actually says he would like to go with Alt. That this being digital at least gives some hope. And in Rouge2 V fights with J on the bridge so that J goes back to the body. So also V seem to want to go with Alt.
6. Hanako2. Mikoshi. From other endings and from e-mails we know that Relic doesn't work. Actually even in brain-dance with Evelyn there is an e-mail from Hellman in which he says that Relic doesn't really work. Yes, at the beginning. As seems Mikoshi is only used to gather intel, not to actually preserve humans. From e-mails etc there are info that their success rate is very small... So that doesn't give much hope for V. But maybe V could be saved from Mikoshi later.
And there is always Johnny. Except from very sad cemetery scene. With all those graves of NPCs... So that is still a bit of a hopeful ending. Johnny has changed. He could still live and continue the story.
It would be really stupid assuming that this is the real end of V, in many aspects:
- production value of the game itself
-from a narrative perspective
-a near sequel is impossible
- night city is too much modular and open to other adventures, the game cannot be scrapped
- V is our main character, the hero with the revolutionary soul and spirit of Johnny SIlverhand beyond the endings
-implying that V is dead and the next dlcs will not be set after the ending this could ruin the entire experience and CDPR knows that
- production value of the game itself
-from a narrative perspective
-a near sequel is impossible
- night city is too much modular and open to other adventures, the game cannot be scrapped
- V is our main character, the hero with the revolutionary soul and spirit of Johnny SIlverhand beyond the endings
-implying that V is dead and the next dlcs will not be set after the ending this could ruin the entire experience and CDPR knows that
You keep making assumptions. I think the FO3 deterministic ending is BAD - the all roads lead to rome.
I anticipate post ending expansions. Just not about V.
In your ONE ending you keep saying "its obvious shes alive" which is ONE ending. Her phone call is different for others I hope you know.
you keep ignoring 5/6 endings are nullified by the nomad ending...
lefts make an expansion - where most of the player base cant import save games
I anticipate expansions about other people. I dont like that - I dont like the V is dead no matter what.
You CANNOT write an expansion that can reconcile Johnny as V and V who went with Arasaka. You keep preaching about the nomad ending.