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Willowhugger

Willowhugger

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#441
Dec 31, 2020
spychi88 said:
Hey OP not really I feel the complete opposite,
SPOILERS AHEAD
the DLC is going to be pre-ending content at least the first one, you know why ? They added the one last gig piece option where you finish the game but land just before meeting Hanako, this tells me that; You will be able to start the DLC content with possibly altering your choice, you get to do that one more gig.
Also given how most of the game companies add first content on the existing storyline that is always pre-ending
Borderlands,
Witcher 3
Dead Space 2
Mass Effect 1,2,3
etc
Yo get where I am going

To top it up
I realised after choosing all endings... so except you giving away the body to Johnny... V dies after those few months, reasoning ? All of those endings where V chooses to live the remaining 6 months, you get the messages from all the ones you knew, INCLUDING your romance option - following up on the logic of those being seen in the bad ending means only one thing; V DIES no matter what, and those are post morterm messages.
If that is true, which I believe it is, not sure if the wise choice is to kill off the main character just within the first installment, while most people got attached to their character. We'll see where all of this leads us but probably in a few years as I doubt there is any certain draft on the continuation of the story.
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BTW, no one actually believes V dies right?

I mean, Nomad's Tarot flat out says you don't.

People know this. They're just pretending they die because they hate Nomads, right? It's like a form or protest.

Serious.
 
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Eakani

Forum regular
#442
Dec 31, 2020
spychi88 said:
Hey OP not really I feel the complete opposite,
SPOILERS AHEAD
the DLC is going to be pre-ending content at least the first one, you know why ? They added the one last gig piece option where you finish the game but land just before meeting Hanako, this tells me that; You will be able to start the DLC content with possibly altering your choice, you get to do that one more gig.
Also given how most of the game companies add first content on the existing storyline that is always pre-ending
Borderlands,
Witcher 3
Dead Space 2
Mass Effect 1,2,3
etc
Yo get where I am going

To top it up
I realised after choosing all endings... so except you giving away the body to Johnny... V dies after those few months, reasoning ? All of those endings where V chooses to live the remaining 6 months, you get the messages from all the ones you knew, INCLUDING your romance option - following up on the logic of those being seen in the bad ending means only one thing; V DIES no matter what, and those are post morterm messages.
If that is true, which I believe it is, not sure if the wise choice is to kill off the main character just within the first installment, while most people got attached to their character. We'll see where all of this leads us but probably in a few years as I doubt there is any certain draft on the continuation of the story.
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If you say, that all messages are post mortem messages, than i know at least one that proves otherwise. Judy is calling V, while V is making breakfast and you can even hear Vs voice calling for Judy in that call.
 
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naddaya

naddaya

Forum regular
#443
Dec 31, 2020
Willowhugger said:
BTW, no one actually believes V dies right?

I mean, Nomad's Tarot flat out says you don't.

People know this. They're just pretending they die because they hate Nomads, right? It's like a form or protest.

Serious.
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Judy's voicemail is along the lines of "I literally saw you two minutes ago, please come down for breakfast", I'd say that pretty much guarantees that V is still alive. Even the tone in The Sun is not that bleak.
 
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spychi88

Fresh user
#444
Dec 31, 2020
Willowhugger said:
BTW, no one actually believes V dies right?

I mean, Nomad's Tarot flat out says you don't.

People know this. They're just pretending they die because they hate Nomads, right? It's like a form or protest.

Serious.
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Running with Nomads/Panam was my first playthrough ending choice (i didn't replay the game from the very start I just chose the options before meeting Hanako)

Believe me when I say I would like it to be true good ending, but my guts say otherwise
 
JubJub154

JubJub154

Forum regular
#445
Dec 31, 2020
Well lets say there isnt going to be any post game stories, what do we think mid story expansions can be based on? I mean Militech is going to have some sort of bigger role in a expansion story. We got alot of them but it felt like they were never a main focus. The side missions definitely had much more of Militech involved.

Just some areas that could be focused on for potential mid story expansion DLC, I'm including things I dont think will happen. These are nothing more than ideas or food for thought. Thing are likely going to be repeated in different forms so bear with me.
- Militech alone / Militech-Arasaka War (War wouldn't likely happen unless its post game)
- Cyberpsychos / Regina Jones story arch
- More Johnny: If lines for Keanu weren't already recorded, I see this as being very unlikely
- Aldecaldos: For those who want more time with Panam this could be just that)
- Mr. Blue Eyes: Wouldn't make much sense but It can happen. Note* At the end of the Peralez questline, you are being watched by Mr. Blue Eyes
- Rogue: Could be related to the above ^
- Peralez: Also wouldn't make sense, because he calls you at the end of the game. You are also contacted by Peralez at the end of the game, whos extremely paranoid
- Work for Arasaka: Which also wouldn't make sense given the timeline
- NCPD - This could be more significant then what's already in the game, but I cant see this becoming a whole expansion
-The Moon: Its mentioned a couple times in the story, once again if 'V' is dying why would he go here mid story
- Braindance: There could be a DLC, where the whole story is a braindance, you keep your weapons and overall, and could account for a skill that wouldn't exist in the normal game, and it can also account for 'V' going to places that wouldn't normally make sense. Something very similar to "Operation: Anchorage: Fallout 3". Out of all ways to set up a DLC this could potentially make the most sense. It opens a door to really anything Pre-game, Post-game, literally any kind of reality can be created with this concept. Though at the cost of the player knowingly completing missions with literally zero outcomes in the real world.
- New map expansion: We will be getting an out of the map expansion, we just cant be sure what it is: Crystal Palace, Arizona, Tokyo?, and maybe the image provided on the bottom (Don't know if there is a name). This is only a few ideas and definitely not the only areas.
- Maelstrom Gang
-(NOT GAME RELATED)
Hideo Kojima makes an appearance in the game and very clearly has a lot of interest in the world of Cyberpunk 2077 (I'm not sure if he was involved anywhere in production and I'm also aware of what was added into Death Stranding), Maybe we will get a story arch that is co-written by him and his group or maybe something with his involvement.

There is a ton of expansion options that can happen mid-game and as much as I want to see what happens post game, we need to come to a realization that we may not see this happen. So these are some ideas just to name a few, if you have any ideas for what you think will happen feel free to reply!
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Stanos91

Fresh user
#446
Dec 31, 2020
spychi88 said:
the DLC is going to be pre-ending content at least the first one, you know why ? They added the one last gig piece option where you finish the game but land just before meeting Hanako, this tells me that;
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As there are endings where V does not return into his/her body, that is the only way to let people play and finish content they did not do. Also, Johnny is part of most side mission, so letting people play after credit state and finish side missions (not gigs) would not make sense.
spychi88 said:
Also given how most of the game companies add first content on the existing storyline that is always pre-ending
Borderlands,
Witcher 3
Dead Space 2
Mass Effect 1,2,3
etc
Yo get where I am going
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No, I do not get where you are going. Witcher 3 had pst credit dlc, Just as Mass effect 2 (Arrival). Also, I can bring just as many examples where DLCs/expansion packs were placed after the man story (Dragon Age Origins, Fallout 3, Baldur's Gate).
spychi88 said:
To top it up
I realised after choosing all endings... so except you giving away the body to Johnny... V dies after those few months, reasoning ? All of those endings where V chooses to live the remaining 6 months, you get the messages from all the ones you knew, INCLUDING your romance option - following up on the logic of those being seen in the bad ending means only one thing; V DIES no matter what, and those are post morterm messages
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Yes, the main NPCs are calling you. So what? What does that prove? You do realize that most RPGs uses the end credit slide show to tell you about what had happened with the main characters? This is the same, just in a video message format.
We do not know if the expansions will be midgame, or post credit, but stating things like V dies no matter what is very narrow minded.

Edit: I also find it funny how the people spent hours to do the main story and save V from certain death against all odds, but when the game tells you that V will die in 6 month people like:
 
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stndn

stndn

Forum regular
#447
Dec 31, 2020
Willowhugger said:
BTW, no one actually believes V dies right?

I mean, Nomad's Tarot flat out says you don't.

People know this. They're just pretending they die because they hate Nomads, right? It's like a form or protest.

Serious.
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Go on the about this endings thread. Just do it. The amount of condescending and reductive rhetoric you have to deal with to try and convince them otherwise is just insufferable.

People have already made up their minds that V is dead and immediately dismiss all other alternative or post-ending DLC as "false hope". It's one thing to have an opinion. But when people treat their opinions like fact they automatically kill any form of discussion so now it consists of the same people running in circles saying the same thing over and over.

I don't know why I even bother. I wish I could mute notifications for threads.
 
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arcsirc

arcsirc

Forum regular
#448
Dec 31, 2020
Willowhugger said:
I feel like people miss the rather obvious fact that Johnny is in like half of the Side Quests, commenting on whatever you're doing like getting captured by Scavs or when you rescue a woman in a sanitarium, you find one of his old war buddies in another room.

Obviously, you can't do these quests post-game when he's dead or out of your body (or in charge of it).

Hence no postgame.
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yeah but he doesn't drive the majority of them, you could still do the quest with him stripped out with some editing.
 
stndn

stndn

Forum regular
#449
Dec 31, 2020
Stanos91 said:
Edit: I also find it funny how the people spent hours to do the main story and save V from certain death against all odds, but when the game tells you that V will die in 6 month people like:
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Nailed it
 
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arcsirc

arcsirc

Forum regular
#450
Dec 31, 2020
stndn said:
It's one thing to have an opinion. But when people treat their opinions like fact they automatically kill any form of discussion
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oh you think?
 
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stndn

Forum regular
#451
Dec 31, 2020
arcsirc said:
oh you think?
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What?
 
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Eakani

Forum regular
#452
Jan 1, 2021
JubJub154 said:
Well lets say there isnt going to be any post game stories, what do we think mid story expansions can be based on? I mean Militech is going to have some sort of bigger role in a expansion story. We got alot of them but it felt like they were never a main focus. The side missions definitely had much more of Militech involved.

Just some areas that could be focused on for potential mid story expansion DLC, I'm including things I dont think will happen. These are nothing more than ideas or food for thought. Thing are likely going to be repeated in different forms so bear with me.
- Militech alone / Militech-Arasaka War (War wouldn't likely happen unless its post game)
- Cyberpsychos / Regina Jones story arch
- More Johnny: If lines for Keanu weren't already recorded, I see this as being very unlikely
- Aldecaldos: For those who want more time with Panam this could be just that)
- Mr. Blue Eyes: Wouldn't make much sense but It can happen. Note* At the end of the Peralez questline, you are being watched by Mr. Blue Eyes
- Rogue: Could be related to the above ^
- Peralez: Also wouldn't make sense, because he calls you at the end of the game. You are also contacted by Peralez at the end of the game, whos extremely paranoid
- Work for Arasaka: Which also wouldn't make sense given the timeline
- NCPD - This could be more significant then what's already in the game, but I cant see this becoming a whole expansion
-The Moon: Its mentioned a couple times in the story, once again if 'V' is dying why would he go here mid story
- Braindance: There could be a DLC, where the whole story is a braindance, you keep your weapons and overall, and could account for a skill that wouldn't exist in the normal game, and it can also account for 'V' going to places that wouldn't normally make sense. Something very similar to "Operation: Anchorage: Fallout 3". Out of all ways to set up a DLC this could potentially make the most sense. It opens a door to really anything Pre-game, Post-game, literally any kind of reality can be created with this concept. Though at the cost of the player knowingly completing missions with literally zero outcomes in the real world.
- New map expansion: We will be getting an out of the map expansion, we just cant be sure what it is: Crystal Palace, Arizona, Tokyo?, and maybe the image provided on the bottom (Don't know if there is a name). This is only a few ideas and definitely not the only areas.
- Maelstrom Gang
-(NOT GAME RELATED)
Hideo Kojima makes an appearance in the game and very clearly has a lot of interest in the world of Cyberpunk 2077 (I'm not sure if he was involved anywhere in production and I'm also aware of what was added into Death Stranding), Maybe we will get a story arch that is co-written by him and his group or maybe something with his involvement.

There is a ton of expansion options that can happen mid-game and as much as I want to see what happens post game, we need to come to a realization that we may not see this happen. So these are some ideas just to name a few, if you have any ideas for what you think will happen feel free to reply!
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I really don't like the idea to add more meaningless mid-game stuff, not with the current endings. For me V dies, that's what the game tries to tell's me right now and unless there is that happy plot twist people see in the "not dead yet" i don't see me going back to the game.

I am not even sure where to add such things? Most people stand in front of the Ember, ready for the last mission, thinking they could survive all of this just to head to meaningless sidequests? Doesn't sound appeling to me.
 
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stndn

stndn

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#453
Jan 1, 2021
Well, if you rule out mid-game dlc and post-game dlc then there isn't much left.
 
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JubJub154

JubJub154

Forum regular
#454
Jan 1, 2021
Eakani said:
I really don't like the idea to add more meaningless mid-game stuff, not with the current endings. For me V dies, that's what the game tries to tell's me right now and unless there is that happy plot twist people see in the "not dead yet" i don't see me going back to the game.

I am not even sure where to add such things? Most people stand in front of the Ember, ready for the last mission, thinking they could survive all of this just to head to meaningless sidequests? Doesn't sound appeling to me.
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I agree with you. I don't like that much either. It does destroy the value of having meaning. "Hey we are going to give you a huge questline that somehow ignores 'V' dying and then after you beat it, 'V' still dies. HAVE FUN!" Thats what it will feel like to me.
 
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Eakani

Forum regular
#455
Jan 1, 2021
stndn said:
Well, if you rule out mid-game dlc and post-game dlc then there isn't much left.
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Who said post-game dlc is ruled out?
 
stndn

stndn

Forum regular
#456
Jan 1, 2021
Eakani said:
Who said post-game dlc is ruled out?
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There are plenty of people who think V is dead for good. Both in this thread and in this other thread about the endings.

Not me though. With endings this ambiguous and two meaty story expansions planned there's plenty of potential for post-game DLC.
 
poldengonyboy

poldengonyboy

Forum regular
#457
Jan 1, 2021
stndn said:
Go on the about this endings thread. Just do it. The amount of condescending and reductive rhetoric you have to deal with to try and convince them otherwise is just insufferable.

People have already made up their minds that V is dead and immediately dismiss all other alternative or post-ending DLC as "false hope". It's one thing to have an opinion. But when people treat their opinions like fact they automatically kill any form of discussion so now it consists of the same people running in circles saying the same thing over and over.

I don't know why I even bother. I wish I could mute notifications for threads.
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It's at the top right of the thread, there's an unwatch button. I had to do it with that thread too, it's too wild lmfao
 
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Eakani

Forum regular
#458
Jan 1, 2021
JubJub154 said:
I agree with you. I don't like that much either. It does destroy the value of having meaning. "Hey we are going to give you a huge questline that somehow ignores 'V' dying and then after you beat it, 'V' still dies. HAVE FUN!" Thats what it will feel like to me.
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Exactly my problem. Playing the already dead V again for another meaningless mission, that don't change anything. That would felt wrong.

Other see in the not seen dead of V hope for more, but i don't see the evidence for that. Really, i would be happy if i am wrong. I loved everything about the game, except for the endings.
 
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jahkin

Forum regular
#459
Jan 1, 2021
arcsirc said:
yeah but he doesn't drive the majority of them, you could still do the quest with him stripped out with some editing.
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Indeed.

If you do some of the early quests before the heist, Johnny naturally does not show up. He does when you do those after the heist though. Johnny is just flavour to those quests, not essential
 
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Eakani

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#460
Jan 1, 2021
stndn said:
There are plenty of people who think V is dead for good. Both in this thread and in this other thread about the endings.

Not me though. With endings this ambiguous and two meaty story expansions planned there's plenty of potential for post-game DLC.
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Ah the posts about that the dead fits to the Cyberpunk setting, because its dark an such. It is kinda legit, but not like
"The 7 ways to die in Cyberpunk 2077" please. We need more than that, thats why i hope for a post-game dlc that changes our fate, even if i am sceptical that we will see such a dlc.
 
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