[SPOILERS] End-Game And Suspicions About The First DLC

[MojoBreaker]

1) best case scenario for DLC they will extend ending somehow idk how but make good ending so you as "V" can continue new adventures
or
they will add new quest lines in the middle of main game.

2)worst case scenario they will force you to play as different character in some desolate place for few hours (example Johnny Silverhand) maybe you will play as Jackie or Goro or some new character. But i hate that idea though. if i cant play as V i wont care about dlc.

 

[Hammerstein]

V is pretty much dead at the end of the game. If you let Arasaka take out the chip you end up disabled and can barely walk, no missions for you.

If you do anything involving Mikoshi the AI Alt will zap you with Soulkiller and wipe the brain of the original V, later uploading the Engram V with a 6 months shelf life and already coughing blood.

A DLC needs to start around the Blackwall mission, where we can refuse AI Alts plan to turn us into an engram - and then it could branch into something new that does not lead to V's doom.

 

[sihplak]

This is really convincing, especially based on the "this area isn't available... yet" note. Further, I think more is revealed thanks to the Aldecaldo ending as well (I don't think I need to say this, but SPOILER WARNING)

In the Aldecaldo ending, there are three other things to keep in mind;

FIRST: Cassidy's bit of dialogue in the Aldecaldo epilogue:

"Bad thoughts are cheap, but they smear over the truth like mud. You think you'll run outta fuel before the stop? You will." To me, this is a sort of meta-comment in a way; if you want the end to be that V finds no cure, no hope in the end, then V will succumb to her limited life. However, there are so many things pointing against that and the struggle for survival is a tough one, so we have to, in a kind of ironic way, come to terms with the fact that V will survive. V survived Dex, V survived Johnny, V survived Arasaka, V survived Soulkiller, and V survived Night City, so certainly V will survive this.

SECOND: The data shard of The Iliad:

"if I abide here and war about the city of the Trojans, then lost is my home-return, but my renown shall be imperishable;
but if I return home to my dear native land, lost then is my glorious renown, yet shall my life long endure, neither shall the doom of death come soon upon me. "

I do not think there is any possible reading of this that would lead one to believe that V is doomed no matter what. V is leaving Night City behind, not giving up on hopes of becoming a "legend", but realizing that dream in and of itself was an illusion, was the false promise of eternal life, just as Soulkiller and Mikoshi was for so many others. It is leaving, returning "home", which for V is returning to their new home in the "native land" of the badlands with the Aldecaldos, that ensures V will live a long life, and that "the doom of death" shall not "come soon upon (them)".

THIRD: Misty's final Tarot reading (sorry for cropped image, took screenshot from a youtube video because I forgot to in-game)

Using this website to find the meanings of the cards:
The Chariot
"The Chariot predicts success in a specific situation. The success will be clear and powerful, transmitting complete satisfaction and glory."
The Lovers
"The symbolism of the card is obvious: love." (based on what Judy says when giving a Tarot read before Panam arrives, also has to do with family, friends).
The Sun
"The sunlight returns to illuminate our path and eliminate the perils of darkness. Now our path is brighter and free from dangers. A period of serenity and happiness awaits. After difficult periods (darkness), everything is taking a turn for the better. Great personal gratification because a positive moment follows less fortunate ones."

Knowing Misty's tarot readings have, in the game, been accurate, implying that tarot can work to divine the truth of the future, and knowing that the tarot readings at each ending is different, implying accurate readings for each ending, we confirm that the Aldecaldos ending is the most straight-forward, illuminated, direct path to ensure "success in a specific situation", such that in the end, "everything (takes) a turn for the better".

So yeah, I would bet that, at least in one major DLC, there will be expansion into Arizona, likely regardless of what ending you picked so long as you didn't lose yourself to cyberspace or suicide.

 

[JubJub154]

Hey so I'm new to these forums and I don't know exactly if this is the right place to post this, but if it is I really want to hear all you thoughts on this, and any insights you might have!

So to start this off, this has heavy spoilers about multiple endings and romance options.

With that being said I have a couple what I think are pretty reasonable assumptions about what the first or at least one of the major expansion pack DLC's will be about. I know the game has only been out for 4 days so I recognize that there's no way to truly know, but based on some foreshadowing in the story and even some little easter eggs I think I have an Idea.

So I think one of the major DLC's will be about trying to save V's life again a second time. Once you finish the game, if you decide to let V live and let Johnny go with Alt, you learn that you only have 6 months to live. This happens regardless of who you decide to complete the last quest with. As long as you don't give the body to Johnny, Kill yourself, or Sell your soul you are stuck w 6 months left to live. We know that V obviously doesn't care when people tell them they're as good as dead, they've cheated death more than once at this point.

Now the reasons why I feel so strongly that this will be the DLC is because of a few subtle and maybe not so subtle hints the game gives you throughout, and especially near/at the end of the game.

Number 1. The ending with Panam and the Nomads. Whether you romance her or if you're a female and romance judy, you leave night city to go to Tucson, Arizona with the nomads. If you romanced Judy you bring her along with you. If you romanced Panam you just leave with her. (IDK about River and Kerry yet). In one of the last dialogue options you say to Panam you are going to figure out how to cure your sickness, and she says that the Aldecaldo's have people in Arizona that have helped their folks out of deep cesspits. Implying that you will be able to indeed find someone out there who can help you out. Obviously this could just be a little glimmer of hope for the player so that they can Imagine that their V doesn't actually die, But I'm gonna get to why I think it's more than that in a sec. Also before you get back in your body, Johnny tells you "Never stop fighting!" Meaning don't just lay down and die after 6 months, try to find a new cure.

Number 2. The ending with Johnny, where you take back your body from Johnny. Personally I took this path the first time, and having romanced Panam, you find her in the shower of your mansion that you now have. Again with 6 months left to live, She's mad that you're not coming with her to Arizona. Anyways y'all get into a little argument, and again there's an option where you can say that this is not the last time you will see each other. Also If you romanced River or Kerry, they show up in the mansion with you before you go to "Crystal Palace". Not sure about Judy on this one.

Finally Number 3. A bit less direct imo but it also still teases us that there will be post end game content in the DLC regarding this new health condition, and also maybe alluding that it will be in Arizona and have a lot to do with Panam and the Nomads. When you finish the game with the Nomads, at the very last scene before you drive off in the tank, you can pick up a whole legendary set-piece of armour in one of the lockers. The thing is, you can't even equip it, because the action is blocked at that point. Idk if it's just a bug at this point, but I don't really think it is, because why would they give you 3 amazing legendary tier pieces of armour right before the literal end of the game?

Another thing that is convincing is if you ever try to drive out of the map, in the badlands it says something like "Turn back, this area is not available... Yet..." Which obviously is pretty heavy foreshadowing that we will get an expansion outside of night city in the future.

The final piece of evidence is kind of small, but it's during Panam's last side quest. Right before you leave her at the new camp, you can say "Too bad this is our last time together" and she responds with, "who say's it has to be our last?". Again idk if this is alluding to the final mission with her, or if it's just some filler line, but after seeing all of this other evidence I feel like it might be a bit more than that.

Anyways, that's all I really got for now. Hope it wasn't too long. Let me know what your thoughts are, if you guys have anymore supporting my theory or evidence that this is absolutely not the case and I'm an idiot lol. I personally hope this is the case and I hope we go to Arizona with Panam, because I'm deeply in love with her and I feel as though we did not get enough content with her and our other romance options like Judy (Who would also be coming with us to Arizona if you romanced her). Only way I see this idea for the DLC being messed up is if you Sold your soul to Arisaka, or if you gave the body back to Johnny. But even with Johnny's story he leaves night city on a bus to who knows where.

TLDR: First or At least one of the major expansions is going to be about us trying to save our own lives again after the main game ending, by going to Arizona and looking for someone who has a cure with the Aldecaldos'.

Man I am praying that there is a DLC that saves 'V' and continues the story with Panam. I'm so sick of these RPG's that give endings are sad or ends bad for the character that youve invested potentially almost a hundred+ hours as. For once I just want a story that has a textbook happy ending. I got most of that with the "All Along the Watchtower" ending. I want to play as 'V', fight along side the Aldecaldos and Panam and find a cure that saves 'V'. I just want the satisfaction of knowing that I put so much time into the game and that it pays off for 'V'. He (assuming you chose a male) gets the girl he loves, he gains a new family, and he lives out a complete life with his new family. I hope this becomes a reality, even with the slight bugs, I thought this game had one the best stories I've played in a long time and I want it to end this way so badly. I have to give credit to those who wrote the story I haven't felt so attached to a character in a game like this in a long time.

 

[hulkman2456]

I personally think the better story option would be Johnny's body take over ending. Because it would allow you to play as him. And has a 100% intact V engram. Yes, with ALT. But because you built up V to this point. I would buy that V kept their mind intact, inside ALT. V has fought to the end against Johnny's engram take over. ALT is basically the same thing. All they have to do is figure out a way to get Johnny to find this info out. And be on the journey to rescue V. And basically complete what he wanted to do with ALT, in his original story. The ending would be either they find a dead body they could use. Or someone can grow an organic body for V. Than just do a bunch of body mods. Poof, Johnny can look like Johnny. And V can look like V again.

 

[AmberyaDaTenko]

i aint worried about what the dev can do anymore... one word 5M

 

[Shaamaan]

(...)I mostly look at Mass Effect for examples on that front.

Good example, but flawed in the sense that ME isn't an open-world game at the same time.

Honestly, having an open-world game with no option to continue AFTER the final mission... it feels wrong both from a "gaming" perspective, as well as it locks up all post-end DLCs... :|

 

[Barsenthor]

V as a born V, wont be saved, he/she is FUBAR. They went great length to make sure of it.
Even in Arasaka ending it was said that with current state of medicine it's just not possible to cure V. hanoko keep up here word and they fought. They send V onto space station, whole treatment alone, operation counted in mln eddis. And even this failed.

The second thing - Cyberpunk is Nightcity. The same that as Batman is Gotham City. Remember uproar when Dark Knight was released and action for 10 minutes took place in Hong Kong?
The same here. Not to mention, that they spend countless hours on making Nightcity. It's not TW3 where forrests were forrests and cities/towns were just smal. Action will take place in NightCity or maybe at the Space Station, maybe fragment of it.

For me nomad ending is just this sunshine and die with your loved one in six months in the middle of nowhere. It's a semi good ending at least now but story wise it's dead end.

 

[hulkman2456]

Technically... there is one surfire way. This would require Johnny to be killed off/replaced in his take over body ending. Do what Johnny did to V. Find V's engram. Get it out of ALT. Put it in a Relic shard. Insert it into Johnny. Overwrite Johnny. He's killed or uploaded to ALT. They didn't say anything that a Engram removed from a body can't be put back in. Because the Relic attacked the brain as a virus. So just do the same process with V's Engram. Basically if you combined the Hanako ending and the Johnny take over ending. V could be saved.

 

[Barsenthor]

For me Johnny story arc as two minds/one body is finished. In most endings he is leaving V's body either why going into cyberspace or being erased by 'saka. For CDPR it's easy and cheap since normal VO costs peanuts in comparison to hiring Keanu Reeves. And they will really counts every dollar since their reputation is crashed and this is before CP77 ending "issue" will go mainstrean.

 

[hulkman2456]

Oh, I know that. Probably one of the biggest reasons they did what they did to V. Was so that no matter the outcome Johnny is removed from the story. So they don't have to pay Reeves again.

 

[DeeP_FOCus]

@poldengonyboy Idk if it's the same for you, but I just noticed something that can imply a continuing story. You know how the main menu has a different screen based on where you are in the story? After returning to the point of no return and starting up the game, my main menu has an Aldecaldos favored ending.

Probably reading too much into it - but I'm hopeful for what might come.

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I did not know this. Thank you!

 

[JubJub154]

Good example, but flawed in the sense that ME isn't an open-world game at the same time.

Honestly, having an open-world game with no option to continue AFTER the final mission... it feels wrong both from a "gaming" perspective, as well as it locks up all post-end DLCs... :|

I completely agree. Having a story arch "end" on a note that leaves questions and or room for alot more story to take place is a killer. That's why I feel most of the Fallout titles got it right. When you end the game, it tells you everything that happens after the players experience and the mark they left in the game world. Many entertainment companies (be it games, movies, TV shows, ect...) today now refuse to do this out of the realization that there's room to make money. It sucks and that contributes greatly to why a pre-DLC era has many more iconic stories. The story ends when you finish the game. Im sure you can make an argument for story DLC, i think a game like this needed time to work on DLC's considering how broken this game is for many. Once they can get it fixed up, maybe we will all get the ending we wanted. I hate DLC, but I think in this case I can wait.

 

[ARINIsmetKursat]

i dont expect arizona dlc. Not everyone want to go badlands or find cure or romance panam, judy. And there are 7 endings. not like witcher 3 (Geralt lives every ending just ciri future is changed. Late game scenario is easy to plan by cdpr.) Sorry guys we must accept one of seven ending. I hope i wrong. ( i like aldecaldos ending with my beloved Panam <3 )

 

[JubJub154]

i dont expect arizona dlc. Not everyone want to go badlands or find cure or romance panam, judy. And there are 7 endings. not like witcher 3 (Geralt lives every ending just ciri future is changed. Late game scenario is easy to plan by cdpr.) Sorry guys we must accept one of seven ending. I hope i wrong. ( i like aldecaldos ending with my beloved Panam <3 )

This really all depends on what ending they find to be canon, and I feel that the "All Along the Watchtower" ending with is the only one that really opens up the door to a completely with new experience without being repetitive. Johnny Silverhand likely wont be getting any new DLC (unless they change Reeves as the voice actor) and Im also saying that because I feel his story is over once the game finishes , so I would say there's only room for a prequel. I think Goro Takemura could have a very interesting prequal story. In the end I think they should either follow up with 'V' (and Judy if you had her with you) and the Panam arch or they should have a prequal. Both would be good. I just really hope the devs get this game on its feet so that it will get the money it deserves and so that it can get these DLC's to be produced in the first place.

 

[Maxisspl4774]

Good example, but flawed in the sense that ME isn't an open-world game at the same time.

Honestly, having an open-world game with no option to continue AFTER the final mission... it feels wrong both from a "gaming" perspective, as well as it locks up all post-end DLCs... :|

I completely agree. Having a story arch "end" on a note that leaves questions and or room for alot more story to take place is a killer. That's why I feel most of the Fallout titles got it right. When you end the game, it tells you everything that happens after the players experience and the mark they left in the game world. Many entertainment companies (be it games, movies, TV shows, ect...) today now refuse to do this out of the realization that there's room to make money. It sucks and that contributes greatly to why a pre-DLC era has many more iconic stories. The story ends when you finish the game. Im sure you can make an argument for story DLC, i think a game like this needed time to work on DLC's considering how broken this game is for many. Once they can get it fixed up, maybe we will all get the ending we wanted. I hate DLC, but I think in this case I can wait.

Well i think the way they handled the ending the way they did is because they wanted players to be able to access the other endings easily and give u option to complete sidequests that u missed. Of course they could just make u come back to the city after the ending but from story point of view it wouldn't make sense and u wouldn't be able to access other endings easily. I think that post story dlc's are possible and for me they are the best way to explore the story. Somebody said that cyberpunk is night city, well no of course in this game city is kind of a giant backstory but still i don't see any reason why arizona or space station dlc would not be possible. Both places are mentioned in story, Plus Arizona would be a completely new city(they mentioned that they are headed to specific city in arizona, but i don't remember it's name) and That giant space station called crystal palace would be another new city. U could create a new V on let's say 30 lvl and the V u create will have main story completed already in a way that game requires it (for example become legend ending- crystal palace) or u just would be able to use your V and just play the specific ending again to gain access to the specific dlc. And after u complete the DLC u would be able to come back to the no way back point and play the second ending and dlc assigned to it. I think that cyberpunk don't have so strong lore as the witcher and making dlc's will not be so easy as with the witcher(99% of things in witchers dlc's are easter eggs to the books). I think that because they don't to stick to some kind of book canon they are able to go wild and deliver us the goods. it's 100% sure that we will be playing V in the dlc's. Playing as silverhand wouldn't make sense because his story is completed. We learn everything about him from the storyline. I will stick to the facts now
SO
1. The Devs already said that cyberpunk will have free post launch dlc's, in witcher 3 that free dlc's were 1. new missions, a bunch of them tbh 2. armor sets 3.beards and hairstyles to geralt(that would be great here because we still can't change our look in the game) 4. alternative outfits for ciri,yen,triss
2. The devs Said that cyberpunk will get AT LEAST the same amount of postlaunch story content as the witcher 3. So we will have at least 2 big paid expansions. I think that we will see more though.
3. The multiplayer is going to be released after all story dlc's.
I think that cdp will deliver, The witcher 3 started as a giant technical mess too ps4 and xbox one couldn't hold on to 30fps and they fixed it really fast. I think the problem is that witcher 3 was a kind of giant surprise to the world because it was their first big game that went to mainstream. Did anyone carried about cyberpunk back in 2012/13 when they announced it? hell no. The big hypetrain started when the w3 gained such popularity and everyone noticed that cd project red is able to deliver great rpg game. I Think that they did one bad thing. They overhyped the game, and we did one bad thing too, we got hyped. Everybody have been waiting for cp2077 since 2015 and everyone expected that they will deliver something better and bigger than already great w3.Everybody thought it will be the game that will change the definition of gaming, messiah of the new era. And that was wrong. We expected too much from this game, for me it's excellent game, the best game i played since the witcher 3. and when the witcher 3 story was great i never felt really into it, in this game the story is shorter but it hits u like a fucking truck, the endings even the "good" one are still sad and unsure. And i think that it's the game that can make u cry in the ending easily. V's story is very personal and we can easily imagine ourselves as V , no save the world shit like in w3 or mass effect. And the best thing about it is that they managed to pull it of in one game, not a whole series. I really hope that we will just get a good epilogue to this story because honestly i don't see any reason to make a continuation . It wouldn't made sense cause V's fate is well known to us now, we just need a good epilogue to it, and i hope we will get it because i guess that we won't see another game like this until next witcher or gta.

 

[Ouroboros612]

I'm 100% confident that the DLC will have the option to save V's life. There is simply no way that the CDPR writing team could make such a monumental error in judgement, that not a single ending or path in game leads to V surviving. Bad and depressing endings are FINE. However - if not ONE ending, path or choice can lead to a good ending also - that robs players from any feeling of agency or that their choices matter.

From a writing perspective. This can't be an oversight. Unless they outsourced the writing to Casey Hudson. In which case we're fucked.

 

[Maxisspl4774]

i dont expect arizona dlc. Not everyone want to go badlands or find cure or romance panam, judy. And there are 7 endings. not like witcher 3 (Geralt lives every ending just ciri future is changed. Late game scenario is easy to plan by cdpr.) Sorry guys we must accept one of seven ending. I hope i wrong. ( i like aldecaldos ending with my beloved Panam <3 )

i think you're wrong, there maybe are 7 endings but we can really narrow it, V's suicide is not an ending for example, both in arasaka and legend ending we end on the crystal palace(it could be 1 dlc with different begginings that would depend on the ending you choose) and theoretically johnny's bus could be headed to arizona just like the nomads(but i don't see a connection here, Meeting panam or judy as johnny in the dlc would be a bad idea for me) but i think both suicide and johnny bus ending are totally out of place, in every ending silverhands is clearly saying that he wants to be with alt and he don't want to live in v's body(he will try to stop u if u decide to give him control of your body) so i guess these 2 endings will not have a dlc to it.

 

[Genisis__]

I'd like to see more cities and more exploration. Maybe fly to an island or go to other cities that weren't destroyed

 

[JubJub154]

Well i think the way they handled the ending the way they did is because they wanted players to be able to access the other endings easily and give u option to complete sidequests that u missed. Of course they could just make u come back to the city after the ending but from story point of view it wouldn't make sense and u wouldn't be able to access other endings easily. I think that post story dlc's are possible and for me they are the best way to explore the story. Somebody said that cyberpunk is night city, well no of course in this game city is kind of a giant backstory but still i don't see any reason why arizona or space station dlc would not be possible. Both places are mentioned in story, Plus Arizona would be a completely new city(they mentioned that they are headed to specific city in arizona, but i don't remember it's name) and That giant space station called crystal palace would be another new city. U could create a new V on let's say 30 lvl and the V u create will have main story completed already in a way that game requires it (for example become legend ending- crystal palace) or u just would be able to use your V and just play the specific ending again to gain access to the specific dlc. And after u complete the DLC u would be able to come back to the no way back point and play the second ending and dlc assigned to it. I think that cyberpunk don't have so strong lore as the witcher and making dlc's will not be so easy as with the witcher(99% of things in witchers dlc's are easter eggs to the books). I think that because they don't to stick to some kind of book canon they are able to go wild and deliver us the goods. it's 100% sure that we will be playing V in the dlc's. Playing as silverhand wouldn't make sense because his story is completed. We learn everything about him from the storyline. I will stick to the facts now
SO
1. The Devs already said that cyberpunk will have free post launch dlc's, in witcher 3 that free dlc's were 1. new missions, a bunch of them tbh 2. armor sets 3.beards and hairstyles to geralt(that would be great here because we still can't change our look in the game) 4. alternative outfits for ciri,yen,triss
2. The devs Said that cyberpunk will get AT LEAST the same amount of postlaunch story content as the witcher 3. So we will have at least 2 big paid expansions. I think that we will see more though.
3. The multiplayer is going to be released after all story dlc's.
I think that cdp will deliver, The witcher 3 started as a giant technical mess too ps4 and xbox one couldn't hold on to 30fps and they fixed it really fast. I think the problem is that witcher 3 was a kind of giant surprise to the world because it was their first big game that went to mainstream. Did anyone carried about cyberpunk back in 2012/13 when they announced it? hell no. The big hypetrain started when the w3 gained such popularity and everyone noticed that cd project red is able to deliver great rpg game. I Think that they did one bad thing. They overhyped the game, and we did one bad thing too, we got hyped. Everybody have been waiting for cp2077 since 2015 and everyone expected that they will deliver something better and bigger than already great w3.Everybody thought it will be the game that will change the definition of gaming, messiah of the new era. And that was wrong. We expected too much from this game, for me it's excellent game, the best game i played since the witcher 3. and when the witcher 3 story was great i never felt really into it, in this game the story is shorter but it hits u like a fucking truck, the endings even the "good" one are still sad and unsure. And i think that it's the game that can make u cry in the ending easily. V's story is very personal and we can easily imagine ourselves as V , no save the world shit like in w3 or mass effect. And the best thing about it is that they managed to pull it of in one game, not a whole series. I really hope that we will just get a good epilogue to this story because honestly i don't see any reason to make a continuation . It wouldn't made sense cause V's fate is well known to us now, we just need a good epilogue to it, and i hope we will get it because i guess that we won't see another game like this until next witcher or gta.

I think your totally right and you do make good points about the devs statments, I thought the game was excellent and I loved V's story and how relatable the character was in a situation that cant be any farther from our reality. Excellent story writing, but I strongly feel that they left the "Along The Watchtower" arch open to expansion which if I had to would spend another $60 just to see what happens to V and Panam (and Judy if she came along with your story). Its a slightly desperate take, but I've haven't felt so attached to story in a long time. Honestly for me I said it in another post today. I really just want a textbook happy ending. I haven't had one in what feels like forever. No twists or shock factor (Negative shock factor). Just a happy ending. Hopefully your right and we will get to play and finish up with V's story arch. I think there's so much more to explore with that story. Also we all need to hope this awful launch doesn't kill the game, but i doubt that will happen. Game will probably flourish once its fixed up.