[SPOILERS] End-Game And Suspicions About The First DLC

[madmidder]

How did you know that she living to sietlle?

If you don't know that, its spoiler for you...

After last mission with Judy if you are male V or straight female V, she will leave Night City through Oregon to Washington resp. Seattle and in last message she is sending photo of Seattle with some info why she is there.


Full conversation is here -
1. https://i.gyazo.com/09f4fd2ab011f6baddc227dcbf2b1583.png
2. https://i.gyazo.com/4656368456fac7d0fe70ef7318bf8860.png
3. https://i.gyazo.com/47839984e7a459adcd099bde4b000e65.png

 

[Nekatinyz]

If you don't know that, its spoiler for you...

After last mission with Judy if you are male V or straight female V, she will leave Night City through Oregon to Washington resp. Seattle and in last message she is sending photo of Seattle with some info why she is there.


Full conversation is here -
1. https://i.gyazo.com/09f4fd2ab011f6baddc227dcbf2b1583.png
2. https://i.gyazo.com/4656368456fac7d0fe70ef7318bf8860.png
3. https://i.gyazo.com/47839984e7a459adcd099bde4b000e65.png

I completed quests as female and she didnt lived the city), thats why i didnt know this, thx, now we knew that in most of endings she lived night city to seattle, mb some info about dlc really, that would be interesting, bcs she ine of the most lovely heroes in this game

 

[Maxisspl4774]

How did you know that she living to sietlle?

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Firstly will be free little dls(not only one) that will add smth like barber in tw3, big dlc with story will be like blood and wine no more then 15 dollars i think

i think that dlc's will cost around 30$, in this game we will get real expansions that probably will be as long as the main story(blood and wine from tw3). I think that still 30$ is not that much for a good dlc, remember that we live in times when a stupid skin in call of duty cost around 20$

Post automatically merged: Dec 20, 2020

If you don't know that, its spoiler for you...

After last mission with Judy if you are male V or straight female V, she will leave Night City through Oregon to Washington resp. Seattle and in last message she is sending photo of Seattle with some info why she is there.


Full conversation is here -
1. https://i.gyazo.com/09f4fd2ab011f6baddc227dcbf2b1583.png
2. https://i.gyazo.com/4656368456fac7d0fe70ef7318bf8860.png
3. https://i.gyazo.com/47839984e7a459adcd099bde4b000e65.png

thanks bro! i couldn't find it on the web and i was curious what happens to Judy if u not romance her.

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I completed quests as female and she didnt lived the city), thats why i didnt know this, thx, now we knew that in most of endings she lived night city to seattle, mb some info about dlc really, that would be interesting, bcs she ine of the most lovely heroes in this game

Remember that if u are female V and u got into relationship with her she will leave city with you, So i guess that we will see Judy in The nomad dlc, but only if we romanced her so she's role in the story will not be important. I guess that you will get a few new messages from her and maybe one or two short sidequests.

 

[Cryptek768]

Don't forget you have to meet your squad after you cross borders, so there is very high chance they will give us access to expanded Nomad starting area and before you leave California to Arizona reps. Tucson something will happen in Night City and you have to go back. So not necessary giving us new city, but just more Badlands. Overall it's shame we can't access Nomad starting zone without glitching or tank build to survive border check.

I already checked what's behind borders and you can see there placeholders and big flying billboard ships which are not visible from Night City.

I think we can all agree there is very high chance of getting Nomad story DLC. For me Star ending is best one, not because I enjoyed it most, but because its open, there is clearly way more job done and in my opinion this was ending CDPR wanted and it's only one "good" ending, in others you will lose your character.

btw. If you are not dating Judy, she will leave Night City to Seattle and sending you text messages how is she doing, this happen if you complete her story as male V or just straight female V.

Yeah but in first dlc like the story of the bakker

 

[Nekatinyz]

i think that dlc's will cost around 30$, in this game we will get real expansions that probably will be as long as the main story(blood and wine from tw3). I think that still 30$ is not that much for a good dlc, remember that we live in times when a stupid skin in call of duty cost around 20$

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thanks bro! i couldn't find it on the web and i was curious what happens to Judy if u not romance her.

Post automatically merged: Dec 20, 2020

Remember that if u are female V and u got into relationship with her she will leave city with you, So i guess that we will see Judy in The nomad dlc, but only if we romanced her so she's role in the story will not be important. I guess that you will get a few new messages from her and maybe one or two short sidequests.

Man if you not complete her quests she stays in night city, if after sex you will say her that it was for 1 time or complete as male, she will leave the city, as in legend ending and others (not in suicide and johny ending)
She will leave night city
She waiting for you only in johny end, but then says that want to leave, and in suicide she just crying
She leave night city in 90% cases, like panam

 

[Cryptek768]

In any case I have confidence in them CDPR are passionate and they know what they are doing,
I just hope for something with a longer main frame and side quests like companion quests and a little less quest with the fix or the NCPD quests.
And necessarily an evolution of all the characters around V as they did.

 

[JubJub154]

The one thing I hope is that CDPR, wont do the same thing that Obsidian did with The Outer Worlds DLC "Peril On Gorgon". The only way you can play this is if you go back before the final quest and none of the DLC is accessible after you finish. You have to revert to your more recent save before the point of no return. So if it takes that direction, that means no DLC that takes place after the story is finished. Which I believe most of us want to experience a epilogue based DLC, from what I gather. Hopefully CDPR doesnt follow this, because Outer Worlds had an ending(s) that clearly finishes up the games story, unlike Cyberpunk. Also we don't know which ending the developers find to be cannon. Which could shift the setting of a story DLC literally anywhere.

We also need to assume that most players wont complete every side quest before finishing the game. So in some cases players might not bother with Panam after a couple missions and wont finish her quest line. Same goes with Rogue and Judy. So it brings about a complicated task on the developers end. Let me ask this to those of you who played Witcher, was there an ending that was considered to be canon game to game (assuming each games stories directly linked with each other).

Also let me add one more thing I cannot see the developers creating an expansion of any kind that takes place from the POV of another character (Panam, Goro, Johnny, ect...). The reasoning for this is because they might feel that players invested alot of time into leveling up 'V' and it will be thrown away once the game is done. Also your character is the cover of the game, so I dont think they'd just push them aside for any future content. So I believe DLC's will only take place from V's POV, be it post main quest line or pre-point of no return. To play devils advocate though, In a DLC it is possible that your character could be told to go somewhere and they have some sort of "Total Recall" like story.

 

[Maxisspl4774]

The one thing I hope is that CDPR, wont do the same thing that Obsidian did with The Outer Worlds DLC "Peril On Gorgon". The only way you can play this is if you go back before the final quest and none of the DLC is accessible after you finish. You have to revert to your more recent save before the point of no return. So if it takes that direction, that means no DLC that takes place after the story is finished. Which I believe most of us want to experience a epilogue based DLC, from what I gather. Hopefully CDPR doesnt follow this, because Outer Worlds had an ending(s) that clearly finishes up the games story, unlike Cyberpunk. Also we don't know which ending the developers find to be cannon. Which could shift the setting of a story DLC literally anywhere.

We also need to assume that most players wont complete every side quest before finishing the game. So in some cases players might not bother with Panam after a couple missions and wont finish her quest line. Same goes with Rogue and Judy. So it brings about a complicated task on the developers end. Let me ask this to those of you who played Witcher, was there an ending that was considered to be canon game to game (assuming each games stories directly linked with each other).

Also let me add one more thing I cannot see the developers creating an expansion of any kind that takes place from the POV of another character (Panam, Goro, Johnny, ect...). The reasoning for this is because they might feel that players invested alot of time into leveling up 'V' and it will be thrown away once the game is done. Also your character is the cover of the game, so I dont think they'd just push them aside for any future content. So I believe DLC's will only take place from V's POV, be it post main quest line or pre-point of no return. To play devils advocate though, In a DLC it is possible that your character could be told to go somewhere and they have some sort of "Total Recall" like story.

the witcher 3 did not have canon ending and The dlc don't have affect on the main storyline.
I also think that u are wrong about The quests, of course some people may not finish river or peralez quests, but judy's and panam quests are kind of main quests even if the game considers them as sidequests. This game is RPG so i think that 90% of people that will finish the game will have most of the sidequests completed. So i still hope for a good poststory DLC that will clear many things out for us. Let's just wait and hope that CDPR will deliver us the goods.

 

[JubJub154]

the witcher 3 did not have canon ending and The dlc don't have affect on the main storyline.
I also think that u are wrong about The quests, of course some people may not finish river or peralez quests, but judy's and panam quests are kind of main quests even if the game considers them as sidequests. This game is RPG so i think that 90% of people that will finish the game will have most of the sidequests completed. So i still hope for a good poststory DLC that will clear many things out for us. Let's just wait and hope that CDPR will deliver us the goods.

I hope I'm wrong tbh. I dont want the devs to feel this way. At this point tho, I would say its likely that any DLC, is already either getting finished up and or is mid way through being made. So what ever is going to happen has likely already been decided. Its very likely any large DLC will go through vigorous bug testing after this launch. So it could be a while before we see anything like we want to happen. I hope they can get on their feet after this launch and it doesn't cause anything significant to happen to the development crew or the game itself. This game is way too good to be shelved.

 

[Maxisspl4774]

I hope I'm wrong tbh. I dont want the devs to feel this way. At this point tho, I would say its likely that any DLC, is already either getting finished up and or is mid way through being made. So what ever is going to happen has likely already been decided. Its very likely any large DLC will go through vigorous bug testing after this launch. So it could be a while before we see anything like we want to happen. I hope they can get on their feet after this launch and it doesn't cause anything significant to happen to the development crew or the game itself. This game is way too good to be shelved.

so look at players perspective
would you start a dlc knowing that u have things to do in main story?
Yes i think that at least first dlc was already in production before the game even came out. I guess that they have scenario for every dlc now, so we just have to wait. I looked into w3 dlc reveal dates. every dlc was revealed a week before release. I guess that in upcoming weeks we will get things that are missing in main build like barber for 100% and new quests and newgame+ mode. I guess that all of the free dlc's will be available by the end of february and then we will have a break until april/may when the first major dlc will see the sunlight.

 

[GamingSince80s]

Don't forget you have to meet your squad after you cross borders, so there is very high chance they will give us access to expanded Nomad starting area and before you leave California to Arizona reps. Tucson something will happen in Night City and you have to go back. So not necessary giving us new city, but just more Badlands. Overall it's shame we can't access Nomad starting zone without glitching or tank build to survive border check.

I already checked what's behind borders and you can see there placeholders and big flying billboard ships which are not visible from Night City.

I think we can all agree there is very high chance of getting Nomad story DLC. For me Star ending is best one, not because I enjoyed it most, but because its open, there is clearly way more job done and in my opinion this was ending CDPR wanted and it's only one "good" ending, in others you will lose your character.

btw. If you are not dating Judy, she will leave Night City to Seattle and sending you text messages how is she doing, this happen if you complete her story as male V or just straight female V.

I think this could very well happen.

I had been thinking about settling down for a bit for V, possibly finding the cure (or trying to, as part of the whole DLC, one of them?) and needing to go back to NC for that reason alone, if nothing else, maybe talk to Vik or something at least and then he needs you do to something to help you out.

More Badlands sounds very feasible in the Nomad context and would serve as a "new area". This could be coupled with a smaller new area, like a smallish town or something.

The Star ending is absolutely by far the best ending in every sense of the word, like said in my previous post. I totally agree with you, I enjoyed it immensily more than the others, some of them were downright awful. But as you say, it leaves everything wide open, no matter how you look at it. From the story/V's life, romance options, friendships etc. perspective. Its all there and would be a fantastic way to expand on all of those, culminating (if you do the right things) in V living and all the important NPCs surviving as well.

 

[Icinix]

Too many branching narratives - they'll either have to create a post end DLC off of a canon ending or cut out some of the endings. Otherwise the work to create dialogues, checks, character progression would be nightmarish...and considering what the game looks like now...

I like your optimism, but if we see post ending DLC that doesn't destroy your choices it will be the single most expansive DLC ever created.

 

[Cryptek768]

Too many branching narratives - they'll either have to create a post end DLC off of a canon ending or cut out some of the endings. Otherwise the work to create dialogues, checks, character progression would be nightmarish...and considering what the game looks like now...

I like your optimism, but if we see post ending DLC that doesn't destroy your choices it will be the single most expansive DLC ever created.

Not technically it is spankable for the end but the bulk of the work is to paste the events that the player has caused in the dlc after the end.
There are always scriptwriting shortcuts to unlock the situation or side solutions.
and we're all big dreamers, aren't we?

 

[GamingSince80s]

Not technically it is spankable for the end but the bulk of the work is to paste the events that the player has caused in the dlc after the end.
There are always scriptwriting shortcuts to unlock the situation or side solutions.
and we're all big dreamers, aren't we?

I certainly don't think its impossible. There are multiple ways to to make different branching choices converge in a DLC. Just a tiny a bit of creativity and you get it. It only needs a small cutscene to explain how it happened or something similar.

All the ones where V "dies" for example can be quite easily grouped up into one. Something happens, with engrams or whatnot that allow V to come back and carry on the same way as they would with the other options, still looking for cure, because "reasons", but ultimately all of these could lead to a same starting point than let's say the Nomad ending or when Johnny leaves to go somewhere.

 

[Cryptek768]

I certainly don't think its impossible. There are multiple ways to to make different branching choices converge in a DLC. Just a tiny a bit of creativity and you get it. It only needs a small cutscene to explain how it happened or something similar.

All the ones where V "dies" for example can be quite easily grouped up into one. Something happens, with engrams or whatnot that allow V to come back and carry on the same way as they would with the other options, still looking for cure, because "reasons", but ultimately all of these could lead to a same starting point than let's say the Nomad ending or when Johnny leaves to go somewhere.

Effectively a bit like the start of the game during the first 6 months of V in NC.

I think CDPR already has an idea because if V must leave NC the only characters likely to see are those who leave the city or the rommance of the player who follow him or not and when we do the count there are very few.

Nothing prevents to make lines of dialogue with the people of NC at the return of V.

 

[Axreal]

I think there is a way out of the mess they've created with the endings. But given the problems they're facing I'm not sure if they'll want to promote a "cannon" ending. That being said, since we're discussing potential way forwards I posted a rough outline of how V could survive.

[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

The confirmation of DLC But it should be noted that this recently changed with the PS4 release issues; the DLC is consequently post-poned as a result. But it's still on its way. [edit] Yeah, the packs will be free, but the expansions are simply extensions to the story. Referring back to my...

forums.cdprojektred.com

 

[ahtis89]

Can we just get a real endgame option? I wanna get V a penthouse like in the end mission (if you choose right options). This going back to previous save after the game is just dumb. I wanted this game to be a place where I can go back and grow over time. Like a RPG.

 

[azaghul8]

Don't forget you have to meet your squad after you cross borders, so there is very high chance they will give us access to expanded Nomad starting area and before you leave California to Arizona reps. Tucson something will happen in Night City and you have to go back. So not necessary giving us new city, but just more Badlands. Overall it's shame we can't access Nomad starting zone without glitching or tank build to survive border check.

I already checked what's behind borders and you can see there placeholders and big flying billboard ships which are not visible from Night City.

I think we can all agree there is very high chance of getting Nomad story DLC. For me Star ending is best one, not because I enjoyed it most, but because its open, there is clearly way more job done and in my opinion this was ending CDPR wanted and it's only one "good" ending, in others you will lose your character.

btw. If you are not dating Judy, she will leave Night City to Seattle and sending you text messages how is she doing, this happen if you complete her story as male V or just straight female V.

wait what placeholders and from where? I only did the streetkid path so idk the nomad starting area. Basically you're saying there are placeholders/objects outside the border from the Nomad ending?

Can't the placeholders be from the Nomad ending because we do know Arasaka or miltech i forgot were attacking them while we crossed the border?

 

[jahkin]

I certainly don't think its impossible. There are multiple ways to to make different branching choices converge in a DLC. Just a tiny a bit of creativity and you get it. It only needs a small cutscene to explain how it happened or something similar.

All the ones where V "dies" for example can be quite easily grouped up into one. Something happens, with engrams or whatnot that allow V to come back and carry on the same way as they would with the other options, still looking for cure, because "reasons", but ultimately all of these could lead to a same starting point than let's say the Nomad ending or when Johnny leaves to go somewhere.

As another victim of "Bad Endings sucks" syndrom (and I haven't even finished it, spoilered myself, fell into a hole so to speak) I kinda hope for a DLC allowing to continue after the Ending(s)

And while I still lack the exact details of all endings they seem to come down to three:

Arasaka - V gets uploaded into Cyberprison or gets back to Earth to die six months
Johnny - takes over V.s body, goes away
Nomads - V leaves, to die in six months.

And like in the post I quoted I think there is no real problem to continue the game after these endings seemlessly into a follow-up-DLC. Here are my random thoughts, again I might miss some crucial details as I have not seen/experienced the endings in detail, only the general gist of them

Now ... six months...reminds me of another "six months" - its the same time span from the origins to the first job saving Sarah Dorsett. It is either some symbolic mumbojumbo from CDR, you know, "oh look how grat you LIVED for six months, isn't it poetic you can now do that again??"

But I will try to stay optimistic. Lets assume we get a Continie-DLC I could see it like that: You either play from where you left of with the ending you chose, or you start the DLC from scratch. In the latter case, you choose, similar to the main game, which "origin" your "V" has, and you will play a little prologue to get your "V" into the DLC-Content.

Arasaka - you get re-awakened by the corpos for some reason, they even cloned you a body like the same (or new one...) to do a job only YOU are qualified for plot reasons...reward is ultimate freedom and cure...or something...it leads us back to Night City, with new jobs, gigs, and a main quest

Nomads - V starts somewhere outside NC, with the Nomads...doing a job looking for a cure, as such an info has popped up, giving "V" some hope again. Of course it leads back to Nigh City too...

Johnny - we start as Johnny in "V"s body...but not for long. All the prolouge is about is to have Johnny stay true to his word after Act 2 - "would you take a bullet for me? I would, V" - and he manages to restore "V"s engram, giving himself up for V - of course these events are also leading back to Nigh City.

Something like that could easily be done (in Johnny's case only if they got KEanu again, or it is already recorded of course ^^) and would be rather "in line" with how the game was presented to us.

But I should not get my hopes up too much I guess...only dissapointment ahead...either it is something totally different, like Mid-game-DLC that still has V on the path to death...or no DLC at all?

Anyway...guess I need to hang out the forums for a while before I get back in the game...I hate funerals..and right now, it really feels like my "V" just keeps fighting without hope to win, and this friggin sucks...

 

[azaghul8]

I feel like the "No reason to go out of the map.. yet" is a big hint for a potential badlands dlc anyways, so I will keep that option open. Maybe for multiplayer? lol I hope not.

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As another victim of "Bad Endings sucks" syndrom (and I haven't even finished it, spoilered myself, fell into a hole so to speak) I kinda hope for a DLC allowing to continue after the Ending(s)

And while I still lack the exact details of all endings they seem to come down to three:

Arasaka - V gets uploaded into Cyberprison or gets back to Earth to die six months
Johnny - takes over V.s body, goes away
Nomads - V leaves, to die in six months.

And like in the post I quoted I think there is no real problem to continue the game after these endings seemlessly into a follow-up-DLC. Here are my random thoughts, again I might miss some crucial details as I have not seen/experienced the endings in detail, only the general gist of them

Now ... six months...reminds me of another "six months" - its the same time span from the origins to the first job saving Sarah Dorsett. It is either some symbolic mumbojumbo from CDR, you know, "oh look how grat you LIVED for six months, isn't it poetic you can now do that again??"

But I will try to stay optimistic. Lets assume we get a Continie-DLC I could see it like that: You either play from where you left of with the ending you chose, or you start the DLC from scratch. In the latter case, you choose, similar to the main game, which "origin" your "V" has, and you will play a little prologue to get your "V" into the DLC-Content.

Arasaka - you get re-awakened by the corpos for some reason, they even cloned you a body like the same (or new one...) to do a job only YOU are qualified for plot reasons...reward is ultimate freedom and cure...or something...it leads us back to Night City, with new jobs, gigs, and a main quest

Nomads - V starts somewhere outside NC, with the Nomads...doing a job looking for a cure, as such an info has popped up, giving "V" some hope again. Of course it leads back to Nigh City too...

Johnny - we start as Johnny in "V"s body...but not for long. All the prolouge is about is to have Johnny stay true to his word after Act 2 - "would you take a bullet for me? I would, V" - and he manages to restore "V"s engram, giving himself up for V - of course these events are also leading back to Nigh City.

Something like that could easily be done (in Johnny's case only if they got KEanu again, or it is already recorded of course ^^) and would be rather "in line" with how the game was presented to us.

But I should not get my hopes up too much I guess...only dissapointment ahead...either it is something totally different, like Mid-game-DLC that still has V on the path to death...or no DLC at all?

Anyway...guess I need to hang out the forums for a while before I get back in the game...I hate funerals..and right now, it really feels like my "V" just keeps fighting without hope to win, and this friggin sucks...

A mid-game dlc will make the main game will so invalidated because the whole story is you have 3 weeks left lol. I could see it happening but would be pretty dumb.