As another victim of "Bad Endings sucks" syndrom (and I haven't even finished it, spoilered myself, fell into a hole so to speak) I kinda hope for a DLC allowing to continue after the Ending(s)
And while I still lack the exact details of all endings they seem to come down to three:
Arasaka - V gets uploaded into Cyberprison or gets back to Earth to die six months
Johnny - takes over V.s body, goes away
Nomads - V leaves, to die in six months.
And like in the post I quoted I think there is no real problem to continue the game after these endings seemlessly into a follow-up-DLC. Here are my random thoughts, again I might miss some crucial details as I have not seen/experienced the endings in detail, only the general gist of them
Now ... six months...reminds me of another "six months" - its the same time span from the origins to the first job saving Sarah Dorsett. It is either some symbolic mumbojumbo from CDR, you know, "oh look how grat you LIVED for six months, isn't it poetic you can now do that again??"
But I will try to stay optimistic. Lets assume we get a Continie-DLC I could see it like that: You either play from where you left of with the ending you chose, or you start the DLC from scratch. In the latter case, you choose, similar to the main game, which "origin" your "V" has, and you will play a little prologue to get your "V" into the DLC-Content.
Arasaka - you get re-awakened by the corpos for some reason, they even cloned you a body like the same (or new one...) to do a job only YOU are qualified for plot reasons...reward is ultimate freedom and cure...or something...it leads us back to Night City, with new jobs, gigs, and a main quest
Nomads - V starts somewhere outside NC, with the Nomads...doing a job looking for a cure, as such an info has popped up, giving "V" some hope again. Of course it leads back to Nigh City too...
Johnny - we start as Johnny in "V"s body...but not for long. All the prolouge is about is to have Johnny stay true to his word after Act 2 - "would you take a bullet for me? I would, V" - and he manages to restore "V"s engram, giving himself up for V - of course these events are also leading back to Nigh City.
Something like that could easily be done (in Johnny's case only if they got KEanu again, or it is already recorded of course ^^) and would be rather "in line" with how the game was presented to us.
But I should not get my hopes up too much I guess...only dissapointment ahead...either it is something totally different, like Mid-game-DLC that still has V on the path to death...or no DLC at all?
Anyway...guess I need to hang out the forums for a while before I get back in the game...I hate funerals..and right now, it really feels like my "V" just keeps fighting without hope to win, and this friggin sucks...
it's a great idea but i think it's too big for a dlc, it sound more like a sequel. I think that dlc's that would be epilogues to specific endings would be better. Also i think that we don't need dlc that would take place in the same place, they are 100% sure going to expand the map. And the DLC are coming for 100% CDPR already said that the game will get at least the same amount of post launch story content as the witcher 3 so that means that we will get at least 2 big dlc's.
I feel like the "No reason to go out of the map.. yet" is a big hint for a potential badlands dlc anyways, so I will keep that option open. Maybe for multiplayer? lol I hope not.
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A mid-game dlc will make the main game will so invalidated because the whole story is you have 3 weeks left lol. I could see it happening but would be pretty dumb.
I think that is a big hint, and it proves that arizona dlc have a really big chance to make out. Why the hell would they do something else if they have a good base for the dlc already done. Almost everybody in this thread is talking about arizona dlc. I think that the fact that the endings are very open is a hint that dlc's will in fact be some kind of epilogues. Also Misty's tarot speaks for that because it's the only case when misty reads that V will be happy and long living(the meaning of the cards say that)
And a little note for u. CDP confirmed that Multi will be released after story dlc's and it might include microtransactions
I don't think any DLC's will be expanding on the main story as we've played it. Firstly because if different endings and different canon for different playthroughs. Second because we have never seen it happen like that in big RPG's like this where you get to go back to the world before the finale happened. I mostly look at Mass Effect for examples on that front.
I would love it though. I really want to save my V. I adore her.
Dragon Age Awakening doesn't ring any bells to you? You could have like 6-7 different endings and still they managed to put them all together in like...30 sec or so...
In The Witcher 3 the ending in which you stay with Yennefer refers to the DLC Blood and Wine (you go with Yen to live in a vineyard which you later acquire in Blood and Wine)
So we could expect to have something similar in Cyberpunk 2077
Go to Arizona looking for a cure because of X rumors (find an expert geneticist I suppose), and you get there and you find out how you could save yourself but you don't have the means or the infrastructure to do it and therefore you decide to invade the crystal palace. In all this process we would discover the existence of exotics (humans who edit their genetics to the point of not looking human) and how it is possible that you can edit your own genetics to deceive the chip and save your life.
In The Witcher 3 the ending in which you stay with Yennefer refers to the DLC Blood and Wine (you go with Yen to live in a vineyard which you later acquire in Blood and Wine)
So we could expect to have something similar in Cyberpunk 2077
Go to Arizona looking for a cure because of X rumors (find an expert geneticist I suppose), and you get there and you find out how you could save yourself but you don't have the means or the infrastructure to do it and therefore you decide to invade the crystal palace. In all this process we would discover the existence of exotics (humans who edit their genetics to the point of not looking human) and how it is possible that you can edit your own genetics to deceive the chip and save your life.
are this "exotics" something u just made up? or are they already in cyberpunk lore? unfortunately i haven't heard about this universe before the game came out
are this "exotics" something u just made up? or are they already in cyberpunk lore? unfortunately i haven't heard about this universe before the game came out
Exotics are well established in the lore of the setting. In a nut shell people agument their bodies to be furries or other weird things. Here is what the cyberpunk Red book has to say on them.
Exotic Bodysculpting, truly fantastic Bodysculpt jobs that emphasize alien or inhuman features, like whiskers, muzzles, manes, reptilian skin, fur, tails, hooves, antennae, claws, fins, and paws have also become cheaper and more available. Exotic Bodysculpting, however, causes Humanity Loss due to its extreme effects, and represents a fringe practice in society, being the provenance of animal motif gangs, and other close-knit enthusiast groups. "Exotics," people who get Exotic Bodysculpt jobs, typically also get cyberware to augment their abilities to bring them in line with their new form.
are this "exotics" something u just made up? or are they already in cyberpunk lore? unfortunately i haven't heard about this universe before the game came out
it's a great idea but i think it's too big for a dlc, it sound more like a sequel. I think that dlc's that would be epilogues to specific endings would be better. Also i think that we don't need dlc that would take place in the same place, they are 100% sure going to expand the map. And the DLC are coming for 100% CDPR already said that the game will get at least the same amount of post launch story content as the witcher 3 so that means that we will get at least 2 big dlc's.
I actually thought of it as "epilogues" - with the three starting points neither very long nor expansive before they all converge into the same post-story to salvage what happens to V...
And while I don't expect any DLC to be the size of the main game, I do not think CDred would just discard the huge "playground" that is Night City to have a DLC only take place in the Badlands Mad Max Style or some new city in Arizona...in the end, Night City is a bit like Gotham City - a character of its own.
Map will probably expanded ofr a DLC, but I would be very surpised if Night City is not featured. I envison something like a mix of Blood/Wine and Hearts of Stone - Blood added a wholly new map etc, while Stone took place in the existing main map.
Well I too wish V did have to die at the end, I suspect it's unlikely any of the dlc will occur after the main story line. While yes those all can be used as foreshadowing tools the fact is your hypothesis is based on certain outcomes. I mean how do you save V if Johnny is given the body? If anything I'd like to see additional ending options perhaps even options that involve dlc. Like I want to see V survive this and live and I think it would also be cool if there was a symbiosis ending. I think it would be cool if V and Johnny became friends and choose to share the body with neither having to die.
Well I too wish V did have to die at the end, I suspect it's unlikely any of the dlc will occur after the main story line. While yes those all can be used as foreshadowing tools the fact is your hypothesis is based on certain outcomes. I mean how do you save V if Johnny is given the body? If anything I'd like to see additional ending options perhaps even options that involve dlc. Like I want to see V survive this and live and I think it would also be cool if there was a symbiosis ending. I think it would be cool if V and Johnny became friends and choose to share the body with neither having to die.
The same how one easily can write how Shepard found way to stop unstoppable Reapers and afterwards went to a happy barbecue with her friends...you just write it
What if all endings play a similar role as a life style in a new DLC. Just like in the begging of the main game, you choose your start at the begging of the DLC (Which ending you want to start to play the game with). Im sure its not too difficult to tie the all the endings to where 'V' goes to Arizona. Its clear they don't shy away from starting or ending the game different, its really the mid quests which are all the same (with exclusion to the unique dialogue available per life style). So maybe its not as difficult to plan out.
In RPG's like cyberpunk there are always endings that are available to further immerse you and make your choices count towards the end of the story, but it sort of obvious that's not really where the story wants you to go. Like Fallout, there are endings where you are essentially a huge villain, that's clearly not what the lore intends for the character to be but it wont be considered not canon. If that makes sense.\
Added* We Need to realize that the technology is available to create bigger games, developers who have games on console (next gen only) can now expand what they want to add. They don't need to limit what can be added because hardware cant handle it and because they want an "equal" experience between console and PC players. This game shouldn't have been released on last gen. It plays fairly well on PS5 (personal experience) and I've heard it plays significantly better on PC. With exception to storage, developers can really add so much more then ever before. Use GTA Online as an example, while yes its a boring game at this point, BUT they haven't stopped adding content in 7 years of being released. Now with new consoles they can probably keep going for another decade if they really wanted too. So we shouldn't limit what this dev crew will do, they clearly have shown ambition and I doubt this bad release will stop them from being this motivated.
it's a great idea but i think it's too big for a dlc, it sound more like a sequel. I think that dlc's that would be epilogues to specific endings would be better. Also i think that we don't need dlc that would take place in the same place, they are 100% sure going to expand the map. And the DLC are coming for 100% CDPR already said that the game will get at least the same amount of post launch story content as the witcher 3 so that means that we will get at least 2 big dlc's.
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I think that is a big hint, and it proves that arizona dlc have a really big chance to make out. Why the hell would they do something else if they have a good base for the dlc already done. Almost everybody in this thread is talking about arizona dlc. I think that the fact that the endings are very open is a hint that dlc's will in fact be some kind of epilogues. Also Misty's tarot speaks for that because it's the only case when misty reads that V will be happy and long living(the meaning of the cards say that)
And a little note for u. CDP confirmed that Multi will be released after story dlc's and it might include microtransactions
Looking back at everything I've said so far, the only thing that gives me a little bit of doubt is that no matter where you go outside of the map it pops up with this "not available yet..." msg. I can almost guarantee that we will go to space and crystal palace in a DLC, there is a whole space station area already outlined in the map but it's invisibly walled rn. I do still think Arizona is being hinted at rn, but if I were to place my bets at this time if they are only going to do 1 DLC with a whole new area like they did in the w3 then we're going to space. However if they decide to do 2 DLC's with new areas I can almost guarantee we are going to Arizona hahaha.
I still believe regardless of where we go it will take place after the original main story ends. I don't know if both expansions will do this, but my guess is one of them will. I honestly think though, that this game could possibly have 2 post game DLC's and I think it's possible that they will tie in together, especially if we are trying to save V's life. There might be something we need from Arizona, and something we need from Crystal Palace to do so.
Regardless of where the DLC takes place, I hope we get more time and more depth added to some of the core characters in the game *AHEM PANAM... but that's because I can't get enough of her, and they really cut all of our romance options short.
Dragon Age Awakening doesn't ring any bells to you? You could have like 6-7 different endings and still they managed to put them all together in like...30 sec or so...
Exactly what I've been trying to tell people who think it's impossible because there are multiple endings. Awakening was a very well loved DLC from the fans. Dragon Age Origins had possibly more endings and also more choices which affected your ending and the characters surrounding it than this game has for sure. Not only did they manage to make it all work and come together in Awakening, they also made all your choices in Awakening and in the base game affect the witch hunt DLC too. NOT ONLY THAT, but they also made your choices in origins and DLC affect Dragon Age 2, which choices affected Inquisition.
Dragon age spoilers incoming...
You could literally have a character from Dragon Age Origins and still be "present" in the story of Inquisition, and it all changed depending on what specific options you chose in DAO and DA2. For example Morrigan could have a baby from you, or alistair, or from loghain or no baby at all. Alistair could be king, or he could be dead, he could be a drunk, or Loghain could be king etc. This all showed up in future games and DLC and all fit in everyones specific world that they built from their choices.
Looking back at everything I've said so far, the only thing that gives me a little bit of doubt is that no matter where you go outside of the map it pops up with this "not available yet..." msg. I can almost guarantee that we will go to space and crystal palace in a DLC, there is a whole space station area already outlined in the map but it's invisibly walled rn. I do still think Arizona is being hinted at rn, but if I were to place my bets at this time if they are only going to do 1 DLC with a whole new area like they did in the w3 then we're going to space. However if they decide to do 2 DLC's with new areas I can almost guarantee we are going to Arizona hahaha.
I still believe regardless of where we go it will take place after the original main story ends. I don't know if both expansions will do this, but my guess is one of them will. I honestly think though, that this game could possibly have 2 post game DLC's and I think it's possible that they will tie in together, especially if we are trying to save V's life. There might be something we need from Arizona, and something we need from Crystal Palace to do so.
Regardless of where the DLC takes place, I hope we get more time and more depth added to some of the core characters in the game *AHEM PANAM... but that's because I can't get enough of her, and they really cut all of our romance options short.
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Exactly what I've been trying to tell people who think it's impossible because there are multiple endings. Awakening was a very well loved DLC from the fans. Dragon Age Origins had possibly more endings and also more choices which affected your ending and the characters surrounding it than this game has for sure. Not only did they manage to make it all work and come together in Awakening, they also made all your choices in Awakening and in the base game affect the witch hunt DLC too. NOT ONLY THAT, but they also made your choices in origins and DLC affect Dragon Age 2, which choices affected Inquisition.
Dragon age spoilers incoming...
You could literally have a character from Dragon Age Origins and still be "present" in the story of Inquisition, and it all changed depending on what specific options you chose in DAO and DA2. For example Morrigan could have a baby from you, or alistair, or from loghain or no baby at all. Alistair could be king, or he could be dead, he could be a drunk, or Loghain could be king etc. This all showed up in future games and DLC and all fit in everyones specific world that they built from their choices.
Also this game has probably been in development for almost a decade. So its very likely everything is already planned out for either substantial DLC expansions or even a future game. At this point any major news not being announced by CDPR is better for them. They announced this game WAY too early and look at what happened with it. Take the Rockstar route and take your time, there's no rush especially considering how much content the base game has. Rockstar proves that with time comes quality that sets record sales. It seems like every game they've released has broken records and sold more then box office films do. So if I have to wait a year for Arizona DLC, so be it.
Well I too wish V did have to die at the end, I suspect it's unlikely any of the dlc will occur after the main story line. While yes those all can be used as foreshadowing tools the fact is your hypothesis is based on certain outcomes. I mean how do you save V if Johnny is given the body? If anything I'd like to see additional ending options perhaps even options that involve dlc. Like I want to see V survive this and live and I think it would also be cool if there was a symbiosis ending. I think it would be cool if V and Johnny became friends and choose to share the body with neither having to die.
if a dlc comes out to continue the story this is what i think and why.
****** (SPOIL) *******
V gives his body to Johnny the dlc makes us play Johnny in V's body because he absolutely wants V to get his body back if we choose this ending.
V recovers his body but has 6 months left.
V tries to extend his life by continuing the fight as Johnny tells him to.
V dies: the relic revives him and we play Johnny without powers to bring back V.
In any case the dlc will be closely or indirectly linked to the history of the games.
why alt advises V to come with it then what considers him as the human factor unlike Johnny? or even that arasaka make him a relic. to find a solution later?
Why does Johnny leave night city in the body of V when he could relive under a new identity near those he has shared his life with and with whom he has forged a new bond? (kerry, rogue etc)
And why is Johnny telling V to continue the fight? whichone ? not the one against arasaka since the corpo collapsed after mikoshi.
there are still too many questions unanswered if we look a little.
and for the end credits.
there is too much that the characters say with the different endings to be sure of a series of examples with panam:
If V is keeping his body it's a banal call to explain the situation and get some news but if V gives his body to Johnny panam clearly tells him that she is going to hunt him down to bring V back except that the others do not make any reference to Johnny in the panam calls and the only one in the know!
there are too many small details not to have a sequel to everything and if CDPR doesn't frankly do it I don't understand why given their level of narration.
Looking back at everything I've said so far, the only thing that gives me a little bit of doubt is that no matter where you go outside of the map it pops up with this "not available yet..." msg. I can almost guarantee that we will go to space and crystal palace in a DLC, there is a whole space station area already outlined in the map but it's invisibly walled rn. I do still think Arizona is being hinted at rn, but if I were to place my bets at this time if they are only going to do 1 DLC with a whole new area like they did in the w3 then we're going to space. However if they decide to do 2 DLC's with new areas I can almost guarantee we are going to Arizona hahaha.
I still believe regardless of where we go it will take place after the original main story ends. I don't know if both expansions will do this, but my guess is one of them will. I honestly think though, that this game could possibly have 2 post game DLC's and I think it's possible that they will tie in together, especially if we are trying to save V's life. There might be something we need from Arizona, and something we need from Crystal Palace to do so.
Regardless of where the DLC takes place, I hope we get more time and more depth added to some of the core characters in the game *AHEM PANAM... but that's because I can't get enough of her, and they really cut all of our romance options short.
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Exactly what I've been trying to tell people who think it's impossible because there are multiple endings. Awakening was a very well loved DLC from the fans. Dragon Age Origins had possibly more endings and also more choices which affected your ending and the characters surrounding it than this game has for sure. Not only did they manage to make it all work and come together in Awakening, they also made all your choices in Awakening and in the base game affect the witch hunt DLC too. NOT ONLY THAT, but they also made your choices in origins and DLC affect Dragon Age 2, which choices affected Inquisition.
Dragon age spoilers incoming...
You could literally have a character from Dragon Age Origins and still be "present" in the story of Inquisition, and it all changed depending on what specific options you chose in DAO and DA2. For example Morrigan could have a baby from you, or alistair, or from loghain or no baby at all. Alistair could be king, or he could be dead, he could be a drunk, or Loghain could be king etc. This all showed up in future games and DLC and all fit in everyones specific world that they built from their choices.
Some other person also said there are objects/placeholders out of the border, idk if thats true though. But yeah idc which way the expansion goes, as long as its post-endgame and continues V story.
I hope you are right my friend. Knowing V only has 6 months to live at the end really put a damper on replay for me. I mean all that for an extra 6 months?
Also this game has probably been in development for almost a decade. So its very likely everything is already planned out for either substantial DLC expansions or even a future game. At this point any major news not being announced by CDPR is better for them. They announced this game WAY too early and look at what happened with it. Take the Rockstar route and take your time, there's no rush especially considering how much content the base game has. Rockstar proves that with time comes quality that sets record sales. It seems like every game they've released has broken records and sold more then box office films do. So if I have to wait a year for Arizona DLC, so be it.
Of course, the ceo even said before the April 2020 delay that they wanted to reveal the dlc before releasing the game. I just have no idea which way they are going to do. I just hope we continue V's story, not a prequel with Johnny, or a mid-game dlc, or a new character in NC.
Map will probably expanded ofr a DLC, but I would be very surpised if Night City is not featured. I envison something like a mix of Blood/Wine and Hearts of Stone - Blood added a wholly new map etc, while Stone took place in the existing main map.
Actually IIRC thats not 100% true. I am pretty sure that the map was expanded just a bit as in the map before the update with heart of stone and the map after aren't the same. It isn't a big expansion, mostly in the north west above Novigrad IIRC, but an expansion nonetheless. Though I could be wrong.
I imagine that we might see something like that sort of with any DLC but the big difference would be there would be more buildings for us to enter, maybe more of the badlands. There are plenty of buildings that could be opened up within Night City to explore with an expansion, other corps to focus on.
Of course they could decide to set in Arizona or the Crystal Palace.
I imagine that we might see something like that sort of with any DLC but the big difference would be there would be more buildings for us to enter, maybe more of the badlands. There are plenty of buildings that could be opened up within Night City to explore with an expansion, other corps to focus on.
For a first DLC, I feel like this makes the most sense. Night City already has so much potential for new areas to explore and interact with, so I feel like adding new areas and interiors to the pre-existing map makes the most sense for a first DLC.
That said, I would much rather CDPR continue the story with V and pick it up after the game's ending. Adding additional quests that only muddle the "borrowed time" narrative from the main story feels quite cheap and immersion-breaking, so I really hope the narrative team and designers give us a reason to return to Night City and actually enjoy our time there.
Another point to keep in mind is player progression - if the DLC does not continue from the main story, what happens to all our characters' belongings, e.g. all the cars we earned, weapons we found, and cyberware we purchased? I can't imagine players would be pleased to start over with a new character and have to re-earn items, like Mantis Blades.
CDPR please let us continue our game through V, but please make it fit a narrative. We want a reason to keep returning to this world, not a reminder our beloved character is doomed no matter what we do or choose.
Of course, the ceo even said before the April 2020 delay that they wanted to reveal the dlc before releasing the game. I just have no idea which way they are going to do. I just hope we continue V's story, not a prequel with Johnny, or a mid-game dlc, or a new character in NC.
I cant see a johnny prequal happening, they have to pay Reeves to comeback and record lines. Plus im sure theres some legal stuff that might prevent anyone from using his likeness with another voice actors voice. So I think thats out of the question. Im just not sure about mid game dlc or a new character spin off. I dont want a Johnny DLC, because you know exactly what your going to get with him, they summarized his character all to well with flashbacks and other things. Im not interested really in mid game content, but if its smaller side quests and other content Im ok with it. I just really want an Arizona DLC, that is my biggest interest if they continue V's story and finished it up in a satisfactory manner, I don't care what they add after that. And they need to forget multiplayer this game isn't made for it and frankly I don't think anybody bought this game to play it. I don't think we will switch to other characters either. I think 'V' is the point of focus for this game, its just what they do with him/her, that is up in the air.
For a first DLC, I feel like this makes the most sense. Night City already has so much potential for new areas to explore and interact with, so I feel like adding new areas and interiors to the pre-existing map makes the most sense for a first DLC.
That said, I would much rather CDPR continue the story with V and pick it up after the game's ending. Adding additional quests that only muddle the "borrowed time" narrative from the main story feels quite cheap and immersion-breaking, so I really hope the narrative team and designers give us a reason to return to Night City and actually enjoy our time there.
Another point to keep in mind is player progression - if the DLC does not continue from the main story, what happens to all our characters' belongings, e.g. all the cars we earned, weapons we found, and cyberware we purchased? I can't imagine players would be pleased to start over with a new character and have to re-earn items, like Mantis Blades.
CDPR please let us continue our game through V, but please make it fit a narrative. We want a reason to keep returning to this world, not a reminder our beloved character is doomed no matter what we do or choose.
Hm, this is now more like funny speculation. But I just hope CD Red is aware of "V" being someone like Cmdr. Shepard. And that the devs of CD red didn't live in a bubble in 2012 and saw what Bioware did. Considering that, until release of CP2077 at least, CD Red was hyped as the "new old Bioware" ... maybe CD red indeed planned something like that.
They have a tendency to make fun and mock other studios - like when they released those Free LCs and said smth. like "of course we do not do MTX, what kind of studio would we be to do that!?" - mocking Games as service and EA's whole schtick with that...
So maybe, hopefully CD Red indeed approached this like that "Boy, our game will have so much praise and love, but we need some controversy! How about ... we make everyone think their beloved V dies with no future? And then we pull an Anti-Mass-Effect 3 and give players what Bioware denied them in 2012? I mean, we really need CP2077 to stay in the news after our perfect release!"
