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azaghul8

azaghul8

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#121
Dec 21, 2020
JubJub154 said:
I cant see a johnny prequal happening, they have to pay Reeves to comeback and record lines. Plus im sure theres some legal stuff that might prevent anyone from using his likeness with another voice actors voice. So I think thats out of the question. Im just not sure about mid game dlc or a new character spin off. I dont want a Johnny DLC, because you know exactly what your going to get with him, they summarized his character all to well with flashbacks and other things. Im not interested really in mid game content, but if its smaller side quests and other content Im ok with it. I just really want an Arizona DLC, that is my biggest interest if they continue V's story and finished it up in a satisfactory manner, I don't care what they add after that. And they need to forget multiplayer this game isn't made for it and frankly I don't think anybody bought this game to play it.
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Same, but I don't see them leaving NC so quickly so I don't think we'll get Arizona yet or ever. I'd be happy with that or the crystal palace. As long as it's post-endgame with V, i'll take it.
 
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JubJub154

JubJub154

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#122
Dec 21, 2020
azaghul8 said:
Same, but I don't see them leaving NC so quickly so I don't think we'll get Arizona yet or ever. I'd be happy with that or the crystal palace. As long as it's post-endgame with V, i'll take it.
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I agree, If they add a Arizona DLC, it will probably be one of the later additions. I think we will get a good idea of whats coming out around January and it will probably be fixed up around then. This game is filled with bugs and the devs are taking their time to address it as best as they cant. I want them to put their energy towards that so everybody can experience this game. Then focus on the DLC, so it comes out with less issues. I said it another post also, If they want 50 bucks for a season pass with big DLC addons that address all the endings with other content in addition, ill give it to them.
 
Lukpias1

Lukpias1

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#123
Dec 21, 2020
Tucson sounds similar to Toussaint from second DLC to Witcher 3 IMO.
Maybe it's some kind of announcement.
 
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ToyboxK

ToyboxK

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#124
Dec 21, 2020
I haven't finished the game (but I don't care about spoilers at this point), but has anyone beaten the game without romancing anybody? I don't plan to (I'm aromantic, so I don't care at all about forming relationships with any characters in this game) but all I see people talking about is how the romance paths end.

What happens if you ignore all romance options?
 
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r4zm

Fresh user
#125
Dec 21, 2020
i kind of suspect some new game mechanics involving the sixth skill plate
maybe a netrunning tree or something else entirely
 
azaghul8

azaghul8

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#126
Dec 21, 2020
ToyboxK said:
I haven't finished the game (but I don't care about spoilers at this point), but has anyone beaten the game without romancing anybody? I don't plan to (I'm aromantic, so I don't care at all about forming relationships with any characters in this game) but all I see people talking about is how the romance paths end.

What happens if you ignore all romance options?
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Only the post-credits messages change and less endings. All endings are basically the same though
 
ToyboxK

ToyboxK

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#127
Dec 21, 2020
azaghul8 said:
Only the post-credits messages change and less endings. All endings are basically the same though
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Alright. I didn't think it would make a difference but I figured I'd ask. One thing I do appreciate about this game is not forcing us into a relationship. All too many of these games try to force a romantic partner on the player and I absolutely hate when a game does that. That's actually why I lost interest in Stardew Valley. It became increasingly apparent the game intended for you to find a spouse and honestly just wanted to run my farm without being bothered.

Nothing kills my desire to play an RPG more than a shoehorned in romance.
 
madmidder

madmidder

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#128
Dec 21, 2020
azaghul8 said:
wait what placeholders and from where? I only did the streetkid path so idk the nomad starting area. Basically you're saying there are placeholders/objects outside the border from the Nomad ending?

Can't the placeholders be from the Nomad ending because we do know Arasaka or miltech i forgot were attacking them while we crossed the border?
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I don't know if I can call it placeholder, but for example this and more houses like that. Which are incomplete and are in the nowhere. Tunnel you going through is there even on other side, but it's locked and you can't enter it (there is nothing anyway, so it doesn't matter). Even lake from last cinematic scene is there and for some reasons this is flying there too.
 
JubJub154

JubJub154

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#129
Dec 21, 2020
So Ive been playing around for about 20 minutes, I was able to glitch out of the map where you would drive out with Panam at the end, that whole entire area is loaded and has triggers for a blimp to spawn. that cutscene over the water is loaded into the game. apparently at all times. Which is interesting even the exit is loaded at the end of the tunnel. Maybe this is a way to get back and forth from a potential expansion. From presumably Arizona back to NC.
***Didnt see the post above me***
 
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madmidder

madmidder

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#130
Dec 21, 2020
JubJub154 said:
So Ive been playing around for about 20 minutes, I was able to glitch out of the map where you would drive out with Panam at the end, that whole entire area is loaded and has triggers for a blimp to spawn. that cutscene over the water is loaded into the game. apparently at all times. Which is interesting even the exit is loaded at the end of the tunnel. Maybe this is a way to get back and forth from a potential expansion. From presumably Arizona back to NC
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I doubt they merge two states! If anything we will get fast travel like was in Witcher 3 and Skellige Isles or Toussaint. Maybe they can do loading cutscene if you are crossing through tunnel to Night City, that would be cool. Something like elevator loading, but in tunnel.


And I don't believe we will get Tucson, Arizona maybe, but Tucson no. It's 12x smaller city than Night City, but that's still a lot of work to do.
 
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poldengonyboy

poldengonyboy

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#131
Dec 21, 2020
jahkin said:
Hm, this is now more like funny speculation. But I just hope CD Red is aware of "V" being someone like Cmdr. Shepard. And that the devs of CD red didn't live in a bubble in 2012 and saw what Bioware did. Considering that, until release of CP2077 at least, CD Red was hyped as the "new old Bioware" ... maybe CD red indeed planned something like that.

They have a tendency to make fun and mock other studios - like when they released those Free LCs and said smth. like "of course we do not do MTX, what kind of studio would we be to do that!?" - mocking Games as service and EA's whole schtick with that...

So maybe, hopefully CD Red indeed approached this like that "Boy, our game will have so much praise and love, but we need some controversy! How about ... we make everyone think their beloved V dies with no future? And then we pull an Anti-Mass-Effect 3 and give players what Bioware denied them in 2012? I mean, we really need CP2077 to stay in the news after our perfect release!"

Of course...well...^^...would be funny if true...
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm like 95% positive CDPR had real close ties and was working with Bioware back in the Witcher 2 and early Witcher 3 days. I don't know exactly what their relationship was, but I've heard that both studios were really close to each other, so they definitely took note of what BioWare was doing at the time. I think a lot of that influence can still be felt today tbh.
 
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herkles

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#132
Dec 21, 2020
poldengonyboy said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm like 95% positive CDPR had real close ties and was working with Bioware back in the Witcher 2 and early Witcher 3 days. I don't know exactly what their relationship was, but I've heard that both studios were really close to each other, so they definitely took note of what BioWare was doing at the time. I think a lot of that influence can still be felt today tbh.
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It was the Witcher 1 which ran on a modified version of the Aurora engine which powered Neverwinter Nights game of 2002.
 
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WildOrchid

WildOrchid

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#133
Dec 21, 2020
r4zm said:
i kind of suspect some new game mechanics involving the sixth skill plate
maybe a netrunning tree or something else entirely
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I... forgot there's another plate. I always wondered what was that for. Thanks for reminding me. :ok:
 
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JubJub154

JubJub154

Forum regular
#134
Dec 21, 2020
WildOrchid said:
I... forgot there's another plate. I always wondered what was that for. Thanks for reminding me. :ok:
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I completely forgot about this, It thought it would be unlocked mid game and just never thought about it more than that. Any ideas on what this could maybe used for? I'm very likely over thinking it (assuming it wasn't cut or its there for continuity/design), but it could be implying that there's something coming eventually that continues with V's character. There are even some spots in the perk trees that look like theres room for additional perks to be added.
 
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jahkin

Forum regular
#135
Dec 21, 2020
JubJub154 said:
I completely forgot about this, It thought it would be unlocked mid game and just never thought about it more than that. Any ideas on what this could maybe used for? I'm very likely over thinking it (assuming it wasn't cut or its there for continuity/design), but it could be implying that there's something coming eventually that continues with V's character. There are even some trees that look like spots for additional perks may be added.
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Hm, maybe some kind of special "Cyberspace" powers thanks to whatever went on in V's brain not leading to death, but to some unforseen side-effects - after all, nothing ever happened like what happened to V etc...

Or it is nothing and was just left there because more important things were to be done than removing it...I like my first idea better though...
 
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madmidder

madmidder

Forum regular
#136
Dec 21, 2020
azaghul8 said:
wait what placeholders and from where? I only did the streetkid path so idk the nomad starting area. Basically you're saying there are placeholders/objects outside the border from the Nomad ending?

Can't the placeholders be from the Nomad ending because we do know Arasaka or miltech i forgot were attacking them while we crossed the border?
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Btw. I just posted thread about closed or incomplete zones on the map. Night City map is not complete, yet. | Forums - CD PROJEKT RED
 
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JubJub154

JubJub154

Forum regular
#137
Dec 21, 2020
madmidder said:
Btw. I just posted thread about closed or incomplete zones on the map. Night City map is not complete, yet. | Forums - CD PROJEKT RED
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How many of these areas are utilized in cutscenes or are partially used in a mission? Great post btw. Very interesting. Though I do believe most are scenery to ensure that the city makes sense. Which accounts for random ending roads and tunnels. The orbital space center, is definitely something. Not sure if its referencing DLC (which is most likely the case) or one of the endings of the game.
 
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madmidder

madmidder

Forum regular
#138
Dec 21, 2020
JubJub154 said:
How many of these areas are utilized in cutscenes or are partially used in a mission? Great post btw. Very interesting. Though I do believe most are scenery to ensure that the city makes sense. Which accounts for random ending roads and tunnels. The orbital space center, is definitely something. Not sure if its referencing DLC (which is most likely the case) or one of the endings of the game.
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- Ghost Town in the mission Ghost Town
- Nomad starting area in the mission The Nomad
- Orbital Space Air Station is probably part of The Devil and The Sun endings, but its not visible in any cinematic or any mission

I know some of these are just scenery, but some of these are very cool and I want to access them. Like Nomad starting area or Night City Stadium.
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JubJub154 said:
How many of these areas are utilized in cutscenes or are partially used in a mission? Great post btw. Very interesting. Though I do believe most are scenery to ensure that the city makes sense. Which accounts for random ending roads and tunnels. The orbital space center, is definitely something. Not sure if its referencing DLC (which is most likely the case) or one of the endings of the game.
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I just found there is tunnel to number 5 and it's mansion, screenshot and video attached.

Night City map is not complete, yet. | Forums - CD PROJEKT RED
 
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Ends1eg

Ends1eg

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#139
Dec 21, 2020
jahkin said:
As another victim of "Bad Endings sucks" syndrom (and I haven't even finished it, spoilered myself, fell into a hole so to speak) I kinda hope for a DLC allowing to continue after the Ending(s)

And while I still lack the exact details of all endings they seem to come down to three:

Arasaka - V gets uploaded into Cyberprison or gets back to Earth to die six months
Johnny - takes over V.s body, goes away
Nomads - V leaves, to die in six months.

And like in the post I quoted I think there is no real problem to continue the game after these endings seemlessly into a follow-up-DLC. Here are my random thoughts, again I might miss some crucial details as I have not seen/experienced the endings in detail, only the general gist of them

Now ... six months...reminds me of another "six months" - its the same time span from the origins to the first job saving Sarah Dorsett. It is either some symbolic mumbojumbo from CDR, you know, "oh look how grat you LIVED for six months, isn't it poetic you can now do that again??"

But I will try to stay optimistic. Lets assume we get a Continie-DLC I could see it like that: You either play from where you left of with the ending you chose, or you start the DLC from scratch. In the latter case, you choose, similar to the main game, which "origin" your "V" has, and you will play a little prologue to get your "V" into the DLC-Content.

Arasaka - you get re-awakened by the corpos for some reason, they even cloned you a body like the same (or new one...) to do a job only YOU are qualified for plot reasons...reward is ultimate freedom and cure...or something...it leads us back to Night City, with new jobs, gigs, and a main quest

Nomads - V starts somewhere outside NC, with the Nomads...doing a job looking for a cure, as such an info has popped up, giving "V" some hope again. Of course it leads back to Nigh City too...

Johnny - we start as Johnny in "V"s body...but not for long. All the prolouge is about is to have Johnny stay true to his word after Act 2 - "would you take a bullet for me? I would, V" - and he manages to restore "V"s engram, giving himself up for V - of course these events are also leading back to Nigh City.

Something like that could easily be done (in Johnny's case only if they got KEanu again, or it is already recorded of course ^^) and would be rather "in line" with how the game was presented to us.

But I should not get my hopes up too much I guess...only dissapointment ahead...either it is something totally different, like Mid-game-DLC that still has V on the path to death...or no DLC at all?

Anyway...guess I need to hang out the forums for a while before I get back in the game...I hate funerals..and right now, it really feels like my "V" just keeps fighting without hope to win, and this friggin sucks...
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I am in almost the same situation as you. Feels bad, feels really bad. I played all of the main missions and side missions up until right before the point of no return, but I had already spoiled it for myself so it felt depressing and meaningless the whole time. I decided to start a new game at this point just so I could do all the gigs and be completionist. I was so attached to my character though, that I went to the save file to to confirm what my character creator decisions were to make sure I created the exact same V. In this second play through I just got back to the point right after the heist where you are leaving your apartment for the first time with Johnny and the depressed/meaningless feeling hit me again. I need to take a long break from this game before finishing.

I have no interest in multiplayer or any other DLCs unless it features V. They can't get me this invested into a character and expect me to give a single shiny sh*te about anyone else. After doing a ton of reading online about the endings and other's people's theories and evidence, I think they could manage a unified DLC story with basically all endings (maybe even suicide and giving your body to Johnny where you still end up as V again). I think its likely that they will handle different endings similar to how they did the life paths. Depending on your ending, you do mission based on it, and at the end you land in the same unified story with all the other endings. I assume the story will involve Blue Eyes guy, at least in relation to how you survive.

Edit: Also, one way we could all gets hints about whether V is coming back or not and other questions is from info on the voice actors. Can't remember where, but I remember there being info on exactly how many scenes or lines that Keanu did. Wonder if there's info on V's voice actors...
 
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Cryptek768

Cryptek768

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Dec 21, 2020
Ends1eg said:
I am in almost the same situation as you. Feels bad, feels really bad. I played all of the main missions and side missions up until right before the point of no return, but I had already spoiled it for myself so it felt depressing and meaningless the whole time. I decided to start a new game at this point just so I could do all the gigs and be completionist. I was so attached to my character though, that I went to the save file to to confirm what my character creator decisions were to make sure I created the exact same V. In this second play through I just got back to the point right after the heist where you are leaving your apartment for the first time with Johnny and the depressed/meaningless feeling hit me again. I need to take a long break from this game before finishing.

I have no interest in multiplayer or any other DLCs unless it features V. They can't get me this invested into a character and expect me to give a single shiny sh*te about anyone else. After doing a ton of reading online about the endings and other's people's theories and evidence, I think they could manage a unified DLC story with basically all endings (maybe even suicide and giving your body to Johnny where you still end up as V again). I think its likely that they will handle different endings similar to how they did the life paths. Depending on your ending, you do mission based on it, and at the end you land in the same unified story with all the other endings. I assume the story will involve Blue Eyes guy, at least in relation to how you survive.

Edit: Also, one way we could all gets hints about whether V is coming back or not and other questions is from info on the voice actors. Can't remember where, but I remember there being info on exactly how many scenes or lines that Keanu did. Wonder if there's info on V's voice actors...
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there is no bad end in itself but rather the feeling of V and Johnny at this time.

It's not because V dies that it's bad we're no longer shown how V and Johnny feel towards each other at the end on the last path V takes.

because Johnny as he says would have taken control of V's body long before if he wanted to. He leaves a chance that V is master of his destiny and he is even ready to "sacrifice" for V.

I think Misty and the one who will show us the rest of the adventure because the first scanner tarot card is not placed by chance in night city.

even if there is a chance that she is wrong and yet neither V nor Johnny understands why he sees the cards in NC.
 
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