[Spoilers] Evelyn Parker

[Haydis]

Honestly feels like 60% of this game was cut at some point and it fucking shows. I am still enjoying it but there are OBVIOUS sections where "yep, there was meant to be something more here" feeling creeps in.

Hahah indeed! 80% you mean, tbh. They just end there and you wont see those things ever again. That goes with romance aswell, never to see or call the person again

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Yo... i just watched a video about cyberpunk lore... and it talked about something of an elite escort group of women... known as the sisters.... that very high ups would purchase as like body guards...

Could Evelyn Parker be a "Sister?"

Also, could she be in on the arasaka patrocide... did she set this whole thing up to get her lover an alibi... meaning he knew u were in the wall the whole time!?

*Mindblown*

Mind sending that video, please? Even IF there is something more to the story (which is not the case), then it might be a big sack of garbage. They made things simple and especulations dont work in this game cus what we see is what it is, unfortunately

 

[freechibirobo]

It might have been cut content. Some things felt really rushed in the beginning like with Jackie's mintage of you two becomming bros.

 

[Haydis]

It might have been cut content. Some things felt really rushed in the beginning like with Jackie's mintage of you two becomming bros.

Omg, i feel the same way! It feels like they tried to force a connection between V and Jackie, even though we didnt know Jackie's backgroud story even.

 

[Omgwtfgg]

Hahah indeed! 80% you mean, tbh. They just end there and you wont see those things ever again. That goes with romance aswell, never to see or call the person again

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Mind sending that video, please? Even IF there is something more to the story (which is not the case), then it might be a big sack of garbage. They made things simple and especulations dont work in this game cus what we see is what it is, unfortunately

The Complete Cyberpunk 2077 History & Lore! (Part 1!)
By TheNeonArcade
47:50 ~ is where it talks about the sisters...
He's got a part 2... and some other lore videos as well... it felt like i was reading a book... there's def. a lot of material here...

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Omg, i feel the same way! It feels like they tried to force a connection between V and Jackie, even though we didnt know Jackie's backgroud story even.

Yo, what's crazy is after watching this lore... they talk about the Medic Corp/Team... They have the ability to bring people back from the dead , as long as its within 10 mins... WHY COULDNT DELAMAIN CALLED THOSE GUYS! FFS! WE COULDA SAVED JACKIE! EXCELSIOR PROGRAM MY ASS!

 

[Clonemenace]

In an earlier version of the game wasn't Evelyn a romance option? I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that in a alpha build version of the game that she could be flirted with.

 

[Haydis]

In an earlier version of the game wasn't Evelyn a romance option? I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that in a alpha build version of the game that she could be flirted with.

Maybe but since it seems they cut and rushed the story so much, there is nothing we were hyped about or promised in this game. This is a big illusion and I was already expecting that

Post automatically merged: Dec 17, 2020

The Complete Cyberpunk 2077 History & Lore! (Part 1!)
By TheNeonArcade
47:50 ~ is where it talks about the sisters...
He's got a part 2... and some other lore videos as well... it felt like i was reading a book... there's def. a lot of material here...

Post automatically merged: Dec 17, 2020

Yo, what's crazy is after watching this lore... they talk about the Medic Corp/Team... They have the ability to bring people back from the dead , as long as its within 10 mins... WHY COULDNT DELAMAIN CALLED THOSE GUYS! FFS! WE COULDA SAVED JACKIE! EXCELSIOR PROGRAM MY ASS!

The Complete Cyberpunk 2077 History & Lore! (Part 1!)
By TheNeonArcade
47:50 ~ is where it talks about the sisters...
He's got a part 2... and some other lore videos as well... it felt like i was reading a book... there's def. a lot of material here...

Post automatically merged: Dec 17, 2020

Yo, what's crazy is after watching this lore... they talk about the Medic Corp/Team... They have the ability to bring people back from the dead , as long as its within 10 mins... WHY COULDNT DELAMAIN CALLED THOSE GUYS! FFS! WE COULDA SAVED JACKIE! EXCELSIOR PROGRAM MY ASS!

Well, that is HIS especulations, not the exact story unfortunately. I am 100% sure that the story is what we saw and that's it. There shouldnt be any other things like that related to it, if so, the story would stop making its already lack of sense. That is what I think, ofc

 

[Motsie]

Evelyn's story was tragic but impactful, both to V and Judy. She burned a candle at both ends, made a beautiful light, but ultimately burned out faster than most. After the Clouds stuff, V mentions Evelyn tried to have everything at once, mirroring what Judy was originally trying to do while not realizing the path she was taking.

You can talk a person down from the ledge in this game because it isn't too late. But, Evelyn experienced a much more horrific situation. She not only tried to backstab Dex but she also went behind the VB's backs, who fried her systems to sever any connection to them. She's then brutalized by Woodman and sold off as meat to Scavs to produce illicit, snuff BD's.

The theme of being able to save some people, but not all, is repeated through out this game. Her death, and V's friendship/romance is the impetus for Judy to leave Night City eventually.

 

[Subenu]

Dunno if I remember it correctly, but what I know is, ... you can't compare the "healthcare" of our time with that one in the setting. There is little to no help for those who can't afford it. And if I get it right from what was told during the storyline, Eve wasn't such a person. and Trauma Team doesn't really care for "not really important prostitutes".

It's in all the snippets of background lore and things you find out during the missions. Best example would be the starting mission of rescuing Sandra Dorsett, who was a rich girl and got a Platinum Membership of Trauma Team. The ones that came to her rescue in the AV.

You might want to go looking for some in depth lore exploration and I suggest the Youtube Channel of "MadQueenShow" for you. She covers almost everything you might want to know about.

Hope that helped a bit, sad for your loss in not being able to romance her. (to everyone that wanted to )

 

[Vexclav]

Let's start from the CDPR's words:

So many options, so many possibilities and each will have consequeces rippling through the game and it's story.

Now, an article HERE that proves that 98% of the choices don't matter.

When Evelyn asked us to ditch Dex and join her, it was an empty option. Evelyns rescue mission, there wasn't even a single choice to save her before she gets raped and tortured by Woodman, it was set in stone as most of those bloody quests.

Similar thing happened to Meredith, such an interesting character to be thrown away after two interactions? People were clearly interested to know her, her motives and what she's about and they threw her as a one stand in a hotel to be never seen again.

Miles Tost once adressed cut content, saying sometimes they have to do it to make the game "better", but to this fuc***g
extent? I wonder what he has to say now? World is beatiful and writing still good but amount of misleading and lies is too much and no one will smell bullshit better than community. Shame but to me, this comapny is done.

 

[Subenu]

I can understand the frustration, but lets not overdo it.

Of course I would be one of the last persons that won't mind a lot more (promised) influential choices and explorable romance options. And I hope they might see this and many other posts and take it to heart, that those options are able to find its way into the game (again?).

Maybe it's hope and goodwill paired with faith. I still have my fair share of fun and enjoyment which can only be heightened from this point onward. I hope everyone will be able to calm down to reasonable levels.

Have a nice holiday-time/christmas and following days.

 

[Kazahashi]

Evelyn is the character I wanted to romance.

I had the Corpo background, met her and thought "yep, this is perfect for my character".....and then she was thrown away REALLY fast.

This was a huge letdown for me....not just for the romance part, but her character. She was cool and interesting....and then flushed down the toilet. I mean you barely even get to interact with her....and don't at all after the prologue (unless you call carrying her interaction).

 

[Haydis]

Evelyn's story was tragic but impactful, both to V and Judy. She burned a candle at both ends, made a beautiful light, but ultimately burned out faster than most. After the Clouds stuff, V mentions Evelyn tried to have everything at once, mirroring what Judy was originally trying to do while not realizing the path she was taking.

You can talk a person down from the ledge in this game because it isn't too late. But, Evelyn experienced a much more horrific situation. She not only tried to backstab Dex but she also went behind the VB's backs, who fried her systems to sever any connection to them. She's then brutalized by Woodman and sold off as meat to Scavs to produce illicit, snuff BD's.

The theme of being able to save some people, but not all, is repeated through out this game. Her death, and V's friendship/romance is the impetus for Judy to leave Night City eventually.

Even if, there should be any kind of way we can at least try to help her, it didnt make much sense not being able to at least try to help her from that state, that's a fact.

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Dunno if I remember it correctly, but what I know is, ... you can't compare the "healthcare" of our time with that one in the setting. There is little to no help for those who can't afford it. And if I get it right from what was told during the storyline, Eve wasn't such a person. and Trauma Team doesn't really care for "not really important prostitutes".

It's in all the snippets of background lore and things you find out during the missions. Best example would be the starting mission of rescuing Sandra Dorsett, who was a rich girl and got a Platinum Membership of Trauma Team. The ones that came to her rescue in the AV.

You might want to go looking for some in depth lore exploration and I suggest the Youtube Channel of "MadQueenShow" for you. She covers almost everything you might want to know about.

Hope that helped a bit, sad for your loss in not being able to romance her. (to everyone that wanted to )

Yes, I know that, but still, There should've been some kind of way we at least try to help her, which we werent even able to.

Post automatically merged: Dec 18, 2020

Let's start from the CDPR's words:

Now, an article HERE that proves that 98% of the choices don't matter.

When Evelyn asked us to ditch Dex and join her, it was an empty option. Evelyns rescue mission, there wasn't even a single choice to save her before she gets raped and tortured by Woodman, it was set in stone as most of those bloody quests.

Similar thing happened to Meredith, such an interesting character to be thrown away after two interactions? People were clearly interested to know her, her motives and what she's about and they threw her as a one stand in a hotel to be never seen again.

Miles Tost once adressed cut content, saying sometimes they have to do it to make the game "better", but to this fuc***g
extent? I wonder what he has to say now? World is beatiful and writing still good but amount of misleading and lies is too much and no one will smell bullshit better than community. Shame but to me, this comapny is done.

I totally agree with you! That's exactly my point here, thank you for knowing the real truth

Post automatically merged: Dec 18, 2020

I can understand the frustration, but lets not overdo it.

Of course I would be one of the last persons that won't mind a lot more (promised) influential choices and explorable romance options. And I hope they might see this and many other posts and take it to heart, that those options are able to find its way into the game (again?).

Maybe it's hope and goodwill paired with faith. I still have my fair share of fun and enjoyment which can only be heightened from this point onward. I hope everyone will be able to calm down to reasonable levels.

Have a nice holiday-time/christmas and following days.

Haha agreed with you there

Post automatically merged: Dec 18, 2020

Evelyn is the character I wanted to romance.

I had the Corpo background, met her and thought "yep, this is perfect for my character".....and then she was thrown away REALLY fast.

This was a huge letdown for me....not just for the romance part, but her character. She was cool and interesting....and then flushed down the toilet. I mean you barely even get to interact with her....and don't at all after the prologue (unless you call carrying her interaction).

I totally agree there! She was like a gem being throwed in the trash real quick. We hope she gets what she deserves..story.

 

[tavellone]

One of the themes of the game is that the world is in a hypercapitalistic state and the healthcare services are overwhelmed and uninterested, particularly in people considered lower on the social scale like Evelyn. They wouldn't even pick up her corpse, even if she had access to private medical care I don't think much could have been done to help her with what she had been through and beyond that I don't think Judy would have considered taking her to a hospital as a serious option. I think it's all pretty justified as a piece of writing to be honest, I don't see any issues.

 

[Haydis]

One of the themes of the game is that the world is in a hypercapitalistic state and the healthcare services are overwhelmed and uninterested, particularly in people considered lower on the social scale like Evelyn. They wouldn't even pick up her corpse, even if she had access to private medical care I don't think much could have been done to help her with what she had been through and beyond that I don't think Judy would have considered taking her to a hospital as a serious option. I think it's all pretty justified as a piece of writing to be honest, I don't see any issues.

Here's the thing...When it came to Jackie we had the option to at least try to get him to a doctor and help him rest in piece. When it came to Evelyn, they tossed her away just like that by not even caring about getting her medical help. Plus, the story didnt make much sense and what we see in the game SHOULD be what it is, not some especulations from players. That would be just unprofessional in my opinion, it's like "Hey, this is the game we made, but everything in the story will be online instead". That just doesnt work

 

[Ildun]

Yo... i just watched a video about cyberpunk lore... and it talked about something of an elite escort group of women... known as the sisters.... that very high ups would purchase as like body guards...

Could Evelyn Parker be a "Sister?"

Also, could she be in on the arasaka patrocide... did she set this whole thing up to get her lover an alibi... meaning he knew u were in the wall the whole time!?

*Mindblown*

NOPE

She is just an ordinary victim.

 

[Haydis]

NOPE

She is just an ordinary victim.

Indeed. Especulations dont work in this game, it's just bad written, facts.

 

[drspoonbender]

If I am not misunderstanding the lore doesn't medical technology allow people to "scrape clean" traumatic memories; like in the case of Sandra Dorsett's own captivity. A fact that V should be very well aware of.

 

[Notserious80]

If I am not misunderstanding the lore doesn't medical technology allow people to "scrape clean" traumatic memories; like in the case of Sandra Dorsett's own captivity. A fact that V should be very well aware of.

True, she was a doll with that functionality but was hacked by the voodo boys and hade it destroyed then all the trauma happend. They admit to it if you do there quest after Evelyns. Also Sandra Dorsett is rich, has platinum membership to trauma team. Evelyn was just a doll.

 

[Nekatinyz]

I know this might sound weird for some of you but seriously, why the hell couldnt we have treated Evelyn after she was trapped by Woodman in the first place? We got to put her to bed and all, she was super traumatized for what happened to her. Then what happens? V starts making plans with Judy and leaves the house and then she dies later on. I mean...WTF? Aren't there any BASIC options to treat her or get her to an hospital? We just ignore the fact that she's lying in bed dying and then she cuts her wrists short after? OFC she does, BECAUSE SHE WASNT TREATED . I accept any kind of opinion, thank you.

If we save evelin, we cant make relationahip with judy, but i want a choice to save her because judy was happy with her and is was in the same shit as V

 

[Subenu]

I still didn't start a second playthrough as I am still "collecting" all the side and smaller missions and gigs, etc.

But when I did come across the arc with the heist, after everything panned out, in my head the clogs were all stuttering and thinking about what might happened and which decision might have impacted what outcome. And as I played it out I've come to see potential choices which might have mattered, even if they don't at this point.

Ok these events are what happened, right? (correct me if I'm wrong anywhere)

Spoiler

You get the quest from Dex and meet T-Bug, offering you to work with them on the heist quest, where you go over the details and later are optionally meeting up with Evelyn and introduced to Judy.
Following options are served to you:
A1: Work with Evelyn and betray Dex.
A2: Work with Evelyn and betray Dex, lie to him about your involvement and sell out Evelyn / or don't talk about anything.
B1: Don't work with Evelyn and keep the relationship with Dex, don't sell her out.
B2: Don't work with Evelyn and keep the relationship with Dex, sell her out.

Later you meet Judy and do the Braindance for the Heist-mission.
There you get T-Bug involved because she works with you/dex as netrunner on this mission.
You got following options:
C1: Tell Judy/Eve who is working with you (T-Bug).
C2: Don't tell Judy/Eve who is working with you.

In my playthrough I didn't work with Eve, sold her out as I talked with Dex (B2) and then did talk about T-Bugs involvement (C1).
This leads then to the mission "the Heist" where T-Bug is done in and fried by the security, because your plan is leaked to them. Going through the whole "trying to escape"-scene, later to find out that jacky was hit and dies in the car beside you. Then a bit later Dex was also killed after he killed and dumped you. Evelyn ever since is kind of in shambles and Judy comes to you for help. (The last part is a bit blurry in my memory, sry) Later she kills herself of after you rescue her and the Judy story continues without Eve leading into romance/deep friendship with her.

So in this setting following happens:
Dex and T-Bug are dead, Eve is offing herself later, Jacky dies during the mission and Judy survives.

In a perfected and "more RPG" and sprawling way the following idea came into mind after my playthrough - which is completely made up by me, but might have happened if there was some choice:
This still counts as Spoiler I guess

Spoiler

Lets continue using the A1, A2, B1, B2, C1, C2 options. I'll try to keep it as short as possible with the potential outcomes.
- A1 (Working with Eve, betraying Dex, don't sell Eve out):
Dex, T-Bug and Eve are in danger of dying. Dex knows too late that you betrayed him and is killed in a storyline of revenge and help Eve to take action towards Dex.
-> Dex dies, T-Bug dies later,
-> Story of Eve opens up and Judys doesn't happen. When Eve dies then Judys might open up again.

- A2 (Working with Eve, "betraying" Dex and sell Eve out):
Dex, T-Bug and Eve are in danger of dying. Because Dex will know that you betrayed him and want to take revenge and Eve might take action towards Dex herself.
-> Dex dies, T-Bug might die, Eve dies later on in Judys story

- B1 (Don't work with Eve, don't sell her out)
Dex might survive, T-Bug might survive, Eve might die later in another quest, Judy survives. But Dex/Eve clash might continue leading to more possibly the death of Eve and maybe Judy.

- B2 (Don't work with Eve, sell her out)
Dex survives, T-Bug might survive, Eve dies, Judy might survive. Dex survives because he can take action on Eve without her being able to take action. Judy and T-Bug might come into crossfire.

- C1 (Tell Eve/Judy that T-Bug is working with you):
-> T-Bug dies in case A1, A2, B1 but survives in case B2
-> B2 - Judy dies in the crossfire.

- C2 (Don't telll Eve/Judy who is working with you):
-> T-Bug dies in case of A1, but survives in case of A2, B1, B2
-> Judy dies in B2

I dunno where or if Jacky could/should survive, and when it probably should be in case of A1, B2 because dex/t-bug can plan for Eves involvement in some way.

I hope this makes sense and is not too much to read.
(and I don't wanna rub salt in wounds or anything, but...)
just wanted to get it out what was in my head xD

Have a nice day chooms!