I've said several times I think she was manipulative, and I've never referred to the books. (I haven't read them). I'd also agree with Zyvik - the thread has been almost entirely about game-Triss, not book-Triss.Maybe the thread title needs to make a distinction if this is according to the books or according to the games. From what I see here all those saying she's a manipulator point to evidence from the books. All those saying she isn't refer to the games.