A different ending...
Another one that made me thankful I had no liquids in my mouth...
Another one that made me thankful I had no liquids in my mouth...
I can't believe that knowyourmeme actually rejected it.
That must be the ultimate disgrace - not even being able to get a good meme out of your disaster.
That must be the ultimate disgrace - not even being able to get a good meme out of your disaster.
You need to be a member to view it - quick summary please?Aver said:
I think Ego Draconis had a worse ending, but that's about it. Terrible disappointment.
I am not sure what I hate more. The ending, or what they did to Cerberus.
I would mention how TW2 beats the crap out of it, but I feel it's insulting to the former to even say it.
I would mention how TW2 beats the crap out of it, but I feel it's insulting to the former to even say it.
Cerberus was the convenient and all pervasive bad guy since ME2. I wish they never would have included the idea. Boy, Cerberus had all sorts of resources to wage galactic war, on like...EVERYONE. Talk about a lazy plot device. It sucks cause there are parts of the game that I liked.KnightofPhoenix said:
there's complaining like this after every bioware release. you'd think they'd learn by now.
but i'm sure the next bioware game is gonna reach at least 2 million pre-orders.
but i'm sure the next bioware game is gonna reach at least 2 million pre-orders.
I am replaying ME3 now. As I said before - it's not a bad game. However, I am firm in my statement that in terms of storytelling Bioware really dropped the ball. The plot-holes I mentioned before are becoming even more apparent. There are so many loose, unresolved threads that's not funny - it's just incompetent. The levels of plot convenience are very high - which is only augmented by the fact that many would have been trivial to fix.
For example: the whole Crucible deal - how it is conveniently found in a nick of a time, and how easily it is erected. Solution: make it so that unbeknowst to Shepard, the Citadel and Alliance actually took the Reaper threat seriously and started building the super-weapon after your demise at the start of ME2 (they had the plans for like 30 years). Shepard wasn't told that before because he worked for the Cerberus - which the Citadel intelligence services recognized as a threat. This could also explain why the Council was so slow in defending Human colonies in ME2 - most of their resources were invested in the Crucible project. Shepard only learns about the project during his mission on Mars where a team of scientists worked on the plans for the device. Tadam! Simple, logical, and much less jarring.
For example: the whole Crucible deal - how it is conveniently found in a nick of a time, and how easily it is erected. Solution: make it so that unbeknowst to Shepard, the Citadel and Alliance actually took the Reaper threat seriously and started building the super-weapon after your demise at the start of ME2 (they had the plans for like 30 years). Shepard wasn't told that before because he worked for the Cerberus - which the Citadel intelligence services recognized as a threat. This could also explain why the Council was so slow in defending Human colonies in ME2 - most of their resources were invested in the Crucible project. Shepard only learns about the project during his mission on Mars where a team of scientists worked on the plans for the device. Tadam! Simple, logical, and much less jarring.
What they did with Cerberus is vastly worse for me. The main reason I oppose the change ending BS campaign is that it would make TIM an even bigger dumbass if they did change the endings.KnightofPhoenix said:
Mrowakus: The Crucible was not built just by the Alliance. Hackett had the full support of The Shadow Broker on it from the very start, and then later on you get the Turians who help out, the Asari, Ex-Cerberus, potentially Rachni etc. I don't see the fact they were able to build it as a problem when you basically get a large portion of the galaxy to help you on it regardless of your choices.
Yes you don't get the ENTIRE Galaxy unless you make good choices, but you will always get the Turians/Asari/Geth or Quarian to help you.
However them finding the plans on Mars is too convenient, still I don't find it a major issue.
What they did with Cerberus...now that well is a different story.
First of all - as we both agree - the moment of finding the plans is just too convenient. Secondly, with whole starsystems in disarray, shattered trading routes, and chaos in logistics it's a miracle they even have the materials to build the damn thing and even more of a 'halleluiah' that they can build it from the plans passed by an ancient civilization REALLY FAST. That's some major plot convenience that simply blows supsension of disbelief away.CostinMoroianu said:
Note here, that my solution fixes all of the abovesaid issues. The fact that what you need to do to repair this major plot convenience is to use a little bit of common sense makes it even more abysmal.
On the side note, another plothole - with the new Prothean companion we learn that Protheans communicated via touch - thus the whole business with Prothean beacons being hard to understand. So far so good. However, their plans for super-duper weapon are "surprisingly elegant, and easy to comprehend..." So let me get it straight - the warnings about the impending invasion of the Reapers are extremely hard to discern, but plans for a super-weapon which can be used in a variety of different, nefarious ways (i.e. destroying all electronic technology on a whole planet) are not only not encrypted but also "easy to comprehend". Someone's trolling me.
If it were the only issue I would let it slide. However, after being exposed to similar issues time and time again, one can hardly say that the story or the presentation of it was good. While I agree, there are many good scenes (e.g. everything with Garrus, the scene with Thane in the hospital etc.) on the micro scale, when you string them together in macro, you realise how much of a patchwork the story really is. It's hardly what I call professional.
Tell me more about it.
As I said the plans are convenient, them building the crucible isn't.
And not all trade routes are shattered, the Alliance economy is but we know from an e-mail that the galactic economy could still survive an entire year, and we have Udina for a time doing the best he can to supply Hackett and we Liara pulling every string she has, and she has a LOT of strings to pull.
The parts that piss me off are the Coup. Seriously Bioware did we need that bullshit?
Then there is TIM implanting himself with Reaper technology to go to the Reapers and tell them Shepard is about to deliver the Crucible....that just sucks so hard, but hey we need a reason to have the Citadel moved to Earth...right.
And not all trade routes are shattered, the Alliance economy is but we know from an e-mail that the galactic economy could still survive an entire year, and we have Udina for a time doing the best he can to supply Hackett and we Liara pulling every string she has, and she has a LOT of strings to pull.
Them opposing Shepard finding a cure for the genophage is something I can understand, all the way to them planning to detonate that bomb on Tuchanka. I mean after all TIM doesn't know of the deal Shepard can get from the Salarians, and he is afraid of the threat the Krogans can pose to the galaxy if the genophage is cured. Which I don't find an unreasonable PoV. I oppose it, but it's not stupid to have it.
The parts that piss me off are the Coup. Seriously Bioware did we need that bullshit?
Then there is TIM implanting himself with Reaper technology to go to the Reapers and tell them Shepard is about to deliver the Crucible....that just sucks so hard, but hey we need a reason to have the Citadel moved to Earth...right.
I assume that the FTC is responsible for "false advertising" claims? (I'm not that familiar with the way this works in the US).gregski said:
If the guy concerned thinks that the game isn't "as advertised", then I guess he has the right to make the complaint. Bioware is a business like any other, and there's no reason why they should be exempt from the rules. It all depends on whether or not they did falsely advertise it though, and how much was just over-high expectations.
Most of what is being said on the internet right now in regards to the endings is bullshit. People are for the most part are pissed about not having a happy ending ( and I DARE anyone to suggest that isn't the case ). Sure there are people who make good points, but they are overwhelmed by the screaming.
Many don't even give a damn about the Relays, they feel it's perfectly fine.
Knight: Before you continue praising TW2 I should remind you of the mess they did with Shani.
To you it's irrelevant, to me it's something just as bad as what Bioware did with Udina or TIM. That most fans choose Triss doesn't change the fact choosing Shani was a major decision to make and that quite a few liked her a lot, and then they completely ignored that. Just like the fact most people want to kill TIM doesn't change the fact some don't.
I may love TW2, but I sure as hell haven't forgotten about CDPR did. Certainly the free DLC, 2.0, and now the Enhanced Edition were very nice and made respect CDPR I am still very angry at them for ignoring this.
Many don't even give a damn about the Relays, they feel it's perfectly fine.
Knight: Before you continue praising TW2 I should remind you of the mess they did with Shani.
To you it's irrelevant, to me it's something just as bad as what Bioware did with Udina or TIM. That most fans choose Triss doesn't change the fact choosing Shani was a major decision to make and that quite a few liked her a lot, and then they completely ignored that. Just like the fact most people want to kill TIM doesn't change the fact some don't.
I may love TW2, but I sure as hell haven't forgotten about CDPR did. Certainly the free DLC, 2.0, and now the Enhanced Edition were very nice and made respect CDPR I am still very angry at them for ignoring this.
The entire coup was garbage. The worst part is that it could have been brilliant.CostinMoroianu said:
Apparently in the codex afterwards it mention that Udina was trying to stage a quiet coup so as to send the citadel fleet to join the Sword fleet, as he had gotten tired of the other councillors stalling and waffling (esp the Asari). The Salarian councillor found out and was going to blow the whole thing.
And this is where it goes into stupid territory - instead of given Shepherd options like make the salarian councillor go away or shut up and hence get the Citadel fleet (a real renegade choice), or blowing the story and getting paragon points but losing assets - it just becomes a basic "run & gun".
You could have had and entire series of missions on cloak and dagger stuff on the citadel as opposed to "put bullet in cerberus drone #9567".
What? Did CDPR take Shani and turn her into an idiotic lunatic or a mind controlled tool that starts doing things completely opposed to what she believes in and that is in the interests of the big bad trying to destroy the universe?CostinMoroianu said:
What they did was bad, but no where near as insulting or ridiculous.
TIM sabotaging the cure of the genophage makes sense, but deliberately provoking war between Turians and Krogans makes absolutely no sense other than from a Reaper interest perspective, just like most of his actions.
And the hilarious bit was, the Reapers already indoctrinated people like that in the Prothean cycle, made me want to laugh and cry.
