Likewise for DA:O for me. There is a lot in the game that I like, but it's mostly my headcanon that made it awesome, before DA2 shat on it.Seboist said:
The thing I can't stand as the series progressed is seeing so much Hollywood influence creep in. I mean, it was already there, but by the end of ME3 I feel like I'm watching a Micheal Bay movie. Mac Walters really fucked things up.
It's funny how Bioware garnered this reputation as having great writing but that's easily the weakest part of their games now.
It's funny how Bioware garnered this reputation as having great writing but that's easily the weakest part of their games now.
I found it extremely hard to get into that game's story and ultimately couldn't. I only ended up playing through it for the few interested characters like Morrigan. The only passable NPC outside of the squad was Loghain for me and even then he didn't do much for me. DA2 on the other hand I had no idea what the hell was going on most of the time.KnightofPhoenix said:
Surely enough, aside from the Paragon/Renegade lopsided import issue in ME2 what ultimately clued me into seeing that the notion of Bioware being great writers being bullshit was the ultimate letdown of the Archdemon being nothing but a dragon.
Well, it is amusing watching the - "Don't wanna choose our RGB colour wheel? Screw you then *rocks fall*" - tantrum, and the discreet removal of their DLC begging - the only thing I thought of it was that Biowares turd polishing machine must be on loan to ToR.
Of interest is their whole "We listened to our fans" claim. The DA3 team are saying exactly the same thing, which has me idly wondering if DA3 will be as big a train wreck.
Of interest is their whole "We listened to our fans" claim. The DA3 team are saying exactly the same thing, which has me idly wondering if DA3 will be as big a train wreck.
I thought it was an auto download like Steam does, and I suffered through the vanilla ending for second time. I'm going to need some time to recover before subjecting myself to that again.
From what I can gather is that they have changed the EMS system so you are no longer nerfed (by 50%) if you dont play multiplayer/IoS games/whatever. Thus technically the best ending is possible in SP only. The EMS is locked in at the start of the C-Base mission.Seboist said:
I cant see why you couldn't do a save before the conduit run and try them.
You also noticed this phenomenon? With Bioware and recent Blizzard games what you like about the plot is not what you get, but the narrative you create in your own head. It's always the possibilities how cool things may be when they nail it down later in the same game or in another installment (which they never do) or the plotholes that are there but you plug it in yourself with your own sideplots (which they will "retcon" later with some nonsense).Seboist said:
If you just look at the storytelling in many recent games it boils down to juvenile sensationalism mixed with mawkish romance. You get the same level of story from a random D&D novel... What is sad is people declaring a D&D novel a masterpiece, just because they haven't read real masterpieces.
I suppose you can. There is absolutely nothing new added up until the point where Shepard & Co. charge for the beam towards the Citadel. That's when the first new cutscene shows up. It's a really stupid cutscene of the Normandy picking up Shepard's squad members in the middle of the battle.Chromie92 said:
My opinion on the Extended Cut endings:
They suck. They are absolutely better than the original endings, no doubt, the epilogue really does add a lot of what the original endings were missing in my opinion. But that doesn't mean the ending makes more sense now. It's still a big nonsensical mess full with plotholes.
That said, I chose the Control ending and I have to say I really did like my epilogue in the Control ending. Reaper God Shepard's speech is pretty awesome. And the music during that epilogue is just epic.
The ending I had. Skip to 13:30 for the epic part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5J-QDTM8Zk
Yeah, I've only watched the new endings on YT so far, and they are still terrible. The worst of all is the Refusal, BW could've made it interesting, but no, because that might've done good for the fanbase. I might do one, last playthrough of ME3, and after that, I don't think I care anymore about the ME series. (Heh, I think I would've got banned from BSN if I posted this message there.Luc0s said:
)@227: No, I think that part is still there.
Terrible? No. The current endings we have now with the extended cut is the best you can expect from a game like ME3. The fact that these endings are still mediocre and full with plot holes is not because the ending itself is bad, but because the entire plot of ME3 is bad. With a plot like that, you can't really expect anything better than this. I think BioWare did a good job salvaging the ending and fixing it as far as they could, within the limits of their terrible plot.DeargRuadhri said:Yeah, I've only watched the new endings on YT so far, and they are still terrible. The worst of all is the Refusal, BW could've made it interesting, but no, because that might've done good for the fanbase. I might do one, last playthrough of ME3, and after that, I don't think I care anymore about the ME series. (Heh, I think I would've got banned from BSN if I posted this message there.
So am I happy with the new endings? Yes and no. I honestly like the new epilogue slides, they truly do make the ending more complete and significantly better. I really liked the whole atmosphere of Reaper God Shepard and his awesome speech while we see the Reapers rebuilding the galaxy under his command. That was awesome.
But the endings are still a mess, because of the ME3 plot itself is a mess.
Anyway, I'm not angry at BioWare anymore. I can live with these new endings. That said, it's very unlikely that I'll buy future games from BioWare. I'm kinda done with BioWare, well, I'm just done with EA in general. Fuck EA. I hate EA and BioWare is part of EA now, so yeah, go figure.
And yeah, if we were this honest on the BioWare Social Network, we would certainly get banned for "hatespeech and slandering BioWare/EA".
I chose control too and I found the speech meh. Reminded me too much of Deus Ex, which beats the crap out of it.Luc0s said:
Plus, I've always seen Shepard as a short sighted moronic simpleton. I would not be enthusiastic about putting the galaxy in his hands, with power he didn't earn (as opposed to say Mike Thorton).
The choice still comes out of nowhere, after you consistently tell TIM that he shouldn't do it, makes little sense and reeks of empty ego stroking.
That said, I find it the least crappy.
Okay, I take that back, the original endings were terrible, but some of the new endings, while being nonsensical (I'm looking at you, Synthesis and Refusal), don't provide a very good closure for Shepard's story (Destroy and Refusal again).Luc0s said:
Synthesis is just plain weird: you can make cyborgs, but it is impossible to make an organi-synthetic "DNA", that isn't sci-fi, it is space magic .
Destroy's main problem is that it is the only way to save Shepard and the Geth and EDI are destroyed, no matter what we do, so there isn't a "good" ending, even if the player made a perfect playthrough of the three games, and in my opinion, this kind of punishment is unnecessary.
Refusal is the worst though, after Shepard shoots the Catalist, he just lets the Reapers to win the war? I can't really accept this, as BW could've done two things: Make a new quest to find the Catalist's AI core and blow that up, problem solved. (This might've required some work done, and we know BW doesn't really like to do that, so this option is unlikely)
The second, even without the Catalist and Crucible, an army with a really high EMS (7000-8000) should be able to overcome the Reapers, but of course, this would've required an additional cutscene or two, but it should've made more sense than the current Refusal ending.
From my point of view, Control is on the verge of space magic too, as why would the Reapers obey a man that isn't even alive anymore? And it brings up the second question: what is Shepard after he "ascends"? A part of an AI? A god? A plothole? Also, if he keeps his memories, why doesn't he regard the former, living Shepard as himself?
Because I don't really have a choice, I have to live with these endings too, because BioWare won't modify them, so I can't do anything against them, and they are still better than the original ones.
Reject with high EMS should have had Shepard call in fleet support to destroy the Citadel. Once the Catalyst is no more, the Reapers should stop as they lost their purpose. Shepard would die in the process. That would have been a decent ending considering all the crap that preceded it.
Yeah, or maybe with an even higher EMS, they would've had time to transport Shepard out.KnightofPhoenix said:
It looks like BW still likes to place future DLC data in previously released content (like the EC now).
For example: http://pastebin.com/rHzNDedX
There are multiple lines which, as far as I know, can not be found in the normal game, as Leviathan was mentioned even there, but only once or twice, so most of the lines that are about Leviathan have to be from the DLC.
(By the way, the first mention of Leviathan is in the 440th line, and the first dialogue line about Leviathan in the 1081st line.)
Has anyone here pointed out that the endings were copied point for point from Deus Ex yet? That all they've done now is just dress it up differently.
http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Gameplay-Discussion-Spoilers-allowed/Ending-Parallels-with-Deus-Ex-9610882-1.html
The 3 points the OP says there are the 3 endings for Deus Ex. Which in turn are also the 3 endings that ME3 has.
Also here's a youtube video with someone else making the same point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW7yPquSVw8
Another odd note is someone there mentioning the series ripping off Anachronox. I've also heard people say this same thing with ME3 ripping off Star Control 2. Can't confirm either of those however.
http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Gameplay-Discussion-Spoilers-allowed/Ending-Parallels-with-Deus-Ex-9610882-1.html
The 3 points the OP says there are the 3 endings for Deus Ex. Which in turn are also the 3 endings that ME3 has.
Also here's a youtube video with someone else making the same point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW7yPquSVw8
Another odd note is someone there mentioning the series ripping off Anachronox. I've also heard people say this same thing with ME3 ripping off Star Control 2. Can't confirm either of those however.
I think what we see in the Control ending is the new Catalyst that has all the memories and moral values of the real Shepard that sacrificed himself. We find out in the Extended Cut that the Catalyst is an advanced A.I that contains the collective consciousness of all the reapers. So we can assume that the new Shepard Catalyst is the same, but with Shepard's moral values added to it.DeargRuadhri said:
The reason why the Reapers obey the new Shepard Catalyst is because they have no choice. The Catalyst is their master, it's the master control unit so to speak. The Catalyst gives the reapers purpose.
I think the easiest way to put it is to simply say: The Catalyst = The Reapers. Just like your brain = you.
So no, Control is not space-magic, it's very plausible within the Mass Effect universe, especially after we've already seen things like Project Overlord in ME2.