[SPOILERS]Romance in TW2

[cmdr_silverbolt]

What I liked about these games, especially TW2, was how these characters were so absolutely realistic- I bet everyone knows people who have similar amalgamations of qualities and idiosyncrasies. One of my criticisms of other modern RPGs is that their characters are usually hyperboles or caricatures or token tropes- it's almost as if they went down a checklist of stereotypes. And no- a collection of stereotypes does not a unique character make.

That's why I find the activities of characters in the Witcher games, sexual or otherwise, hitting very close to home, and I don't think they treated any aspect of characterization poorly. Also, it's really surprising that whenever people are analyzing these games they attack them as appealing only to heterosexual males, as if the sexual preferences of hetero males couldn't possibly be shared by others />

 

[Garrison72]

My bad than. She sleeps with guys for political reasons, whatever it can be called.

Phillipa, in-game, prefers women. By a mile. Hence Nilfgard sending Cynthia.

My take anyway.

 

[Eadian]

Phillipa, in-game, prefers women. By a mile. Hence Nilfgard sending Cynthia.

My take anyway.

In the books they make a big thing out of Phillipa preferring women, First they full on state she has different sexual preferences. Second she is often described as having lipstick on her neck. So I read her as being gay, but it does seem she must have had something going on with Dijkstra because of the way he talks/writes to her.

 

[Oloroar]

First of all, since when was a one-time, casual, sexual encounter considered a romance? A romance involves character development and is part of the story. Many games (all the classic D&D titles) feature extensive romance subplots without ever showing a sex scene.

Secondly, since when was a lot of mindless sex considered "mature"? To me, it seems quite the opposite. A mature approach to romance and sexuality is all about good writing.

TW2 allows the player to define the character's motivations and desires (prologue/elven baths talk with Triss), their inner conflicts (Triss vs Yennefer discussion with Dandelion), the importance of the romance in the grand scheme of things (Triss vs Iorveth/Roche decision), and the outcome of all these player choices ("I'll never forget this" vs "Don't die Witcher"). I would rather have the depth and maturity of the Geralt/Triss romance in TW2 to all the sex scenes you can fit on a disc.

 

[wichat]

Heterosexuals are treated much more harshly than homosexuals in the Witcher games, Dethmolds a fluffy bunny in comparison to Loredo. Still nowt worth whining about.

It's not about how people of different sexual tendences are treated but how homosexuals life their sexuality: as something depraved, without the slightest hint of a normal relationship. This is the difference. IMO.

 

[Demut]

Wait, what did I miss? Can someone bring me up to speed? Are people complaining now that none of the homosexual characters are “good guys”? Really?

 

[wichat]

Wait, what did I miss? Can someone bring me up to speed? Are people complaining now that none of the homosexual characters are “good guys”? Really?

Where did you read that?

 

[Cs__sz__r]

Wait, what did I miss? Can someone bring me up to speed?

The usual.

 

[Mizzen01]

I´ll simply say that I hate political correctness crap. In my country, Spain, we have a political correctness fad that has become in the last years in a true tyranny. We have to think twice or three times everything we say or write because someone from a minority (gays, feminist, people from a region or other of Spain, atheist, believers, immigrants,etc. etc. etc.) could feel herself insulted very easily. For example in spanish TV movies the bad guy can´t be gay, becuse this "helps to popularize a negative stereotyping of homosexuality". Gays characters always must be wise, sensitive, and to have good qualities. If the developers of TW3 start to care about political correctness in the plot and the characters of the game, I will not buy it.

 

[wichat]

I´ll simply say that I hate political correctness crap. In my country, Spain, we have a political correctness fad that has become in the last years in a true tyranny. We have to think twice or three times everything we say or write because someone from a minority (gays, feminist, people from a region or other of Spain, atheist, believers, immigrants,etc. etc. etc.) could feel herself insulted very easily. For example in spanish TV movies the bad guy can´t be gay, becuse this "helps to popularize a negative stereotyping of homosexuality". Gays characters always must be wise, sensitive, and to have good qualities. If the developers of TW3 start to care about political correctness in the plot and the characters of the game, I will not buy it.

OH! Which Spain are you talking about? />/>I thimk you are generalizing your point of view with whole country. And BTW, you're free to buy or not any product in the market in order of your preferences. Nobody will force you, pf course.

 

[chaos17]

Well as far as I know, the people who read the books always said that Geralt never had any steady relationships and did bed a lot of women. So I am not against the fact that the dev wanted to stick to the character by bedding any women...

Still, since Geralt has an amnesia I think I will have preferred an option to have a steady relationship or not and not force/push Triss on the player.

 

[wichat]

Well as far as I know, the people who read the books always said that Geralt never had any steady relationships and did bed a lot of women. So I am not against the fact that the dev wanted to stick to the character by bedding any women...

Still, since Geralt has an amnesia I think I will have preferred an option to have a steady relationship or not and not for Triss on the player.

Yes, he has an amnesia but in the very first minutes of TW1 it's tell us he has feelings for a sorceress (Yennefer of course, but he doesn't remember her and Triss is there to unhelp him to remember her)

 

[Demut]

The usual.

Shmeesh ... :/

Where did you read that?

Here for instance:

Homosexuals are practically always presented as vile, [...] if not outright evil and crazy, and this is not fair.

Of course I like inclusion but a good character is a good character.

Problem is not with who is portrayed as a bad guy/girl.

Where did you not read that ?

 

[wichat]

practically doens't mean absolutly />


but it is true that there is some casual relation between perverted homosexuality and bad character. Nothing of that impossible but quite sadly topic.

 

[Mizzen01]

Wechat, I'm speaking about the Spain where you can´t speak a word about catalonian nationalism without listen the word "catalanofobia", about the gay lobby without listen the word "homofobia", about the feminist lobby without listen the word "machista", etc. etc. etc.. The Spain where the Real Academia de la Lengua has been complaining for years about the stupid oficial imposition of a supposedly "non sexist language", for example. I´m sick about that, and I don´t want to see it in a game that I play for amusing myself. And OF COURSE, nobody force me to buy it, and I´ll not if the plot of the game finaly is too prude or too politically correct for my tastes, even being a technical marvel with amazing graphics and gameplay.

 

[wichat]

Wechat, I'm speaking about the Spain where you can´t speak a word about catalonian nationalism without listen the word "catalanofobia", about the gay lobby without listen the word "homofobia", about the feminist lobby without listen the word "machista", etc. etc. etc.. The Spain where the Real Academia de la Lengua has been complaining for years about the stupid oficial imposition of a supposedly "non sexist language", for example. I´m sick about that, and I don´t want to see it in a game that I play for amusing myself. And OF COURSE, nobody force me to buy it, and I´ll not if the plot of the game finaly is too prude or too politically correct for my tastes, even being a technical marvel with amazing graphics and gameplay.

That's an issue where this forum is not the appropiate place to discusse. Every country has its defects and we can talk about it in another place. I'll be glad to do it. But CDPR as any other Company has not to be influencied by these topics. I mean, we are free to express our own view about The Witcher and his world as single persones, but not extrapolate this to our social or political point. We are talking about a game, a very personal creation as a book or a movie. Just as we do not demand a writer or a filmmaker he set his work according to our beliefs, we have to do this with the devs of a video game.

So let's CDPR make the game as they want to do it and if we like it, let's enjoy it.

 

[Mizzen01]

Wichat, you are de one who have asked "Which Spain are you talking about? And I only tell you the Spain I´m talking about. Don´t complain if you make a question and it is answered. And of course I let CDPR make the game as they want to do. I´m not thinking of going with a gun to force them. I only say my opinion about the topics that people is talking here, related with political correctness, and my preferences about the future game; as everybody here.

By the way, I´m not demanding the writers of TW3 to set the work according to my beliefs. I´m demanding that they not let to be influenced by the tyranny of the political correctness in the thinking that this way they will sell more games.

 

[wichat]

Wichat, you are de one who have asked "Which Spain are you talking about? And I only tell you the Spain I´m talking about. Don´t complain if you make a question and it is answered. And of course I let CDPR make the game as they want to do. I´m not thinking of going with a gun to force them. I only say my opinion about the topics that people is talking here, related with political correctness, and my preferences about the future game; as everybody here.

I live in the same country in which you do, and I rather indentify with your words. In the same way I'm responsable of my question you are responsable of your answers, and vice versa. If your answer can be so off topic and if I was the one who asked seeming the one interested, send me a PM and then we avoid to disturb this fòrum and all respectable users. />/>/>

 

[tommy5761]

CD Projekt RED wasn't concerned with political correctness in Witcher 1 or Witcher 2 so I doubt that they will do so for Witcher 3 . Political situations and or correctness can be discussed as long as it pertains to the game or games . But please no references to politics or political correctness in real life .

 

[secondchildren]

Please do not judge us all. I was fifteen when I first played the game, and the reason I fell in love had nothing to do wih the fact that the game contains a few sex-scenes. Still consider it the best game I've ever played />

Then you should say this to PEGI and M-rating. I didn't make the rules.


About homosexuality:
oh look, seems that I've opened pandora's box.

As I read it in the game (and beware, it's MY personal opinion, MY personal reading): lesbo sex is sexy and teasing.
I don't give a cent to politically correctness. Philippa is a bi and a manipulator, Dethmold is an evil mage and a creep. Thus his sexual habits are on this line. Fine with it, just less voyerism with Philippa and her lesbomancy and I wouldn't have found anything wrong.


Okay, now I'm out of this thread