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Enerccio

Enerccio

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#441
Dec 16, 2020
daniel79 said:
1. How did you play 1.02? The game was already patched to 1.03 when it was released, far as I know.

2. You have a video of that or sth? I mean censoring nudity is one thing. But why would they cut that kind of stuff from the game? NPCs have said worse things in the main story. They could just have the same reaction when you run around with undies on...
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Might have been 1.03 then? I am certain that it was possible. I could not be naked outside (only with panties) but npcs did react if I had nothing else on me. And scav bathtub guy was naked.

Vechernyaya said:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-12-15-cd-projekt-vows-to-rebuild-trust-after-cyberpunk-2077-last-gen-launch-woes

My personal advice, censorship is not a good way to rebuild trust.

I'm personally waiting for GOG refund. Yes, because of censorship, it break my pleasure knowing that it's censored. It's not about the nudity itself, I play lots of games without nudity, it's about censorship.
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Same, I do not condone censorship at all. Was appaled when I saw boxers guy in scav bathtub!
 
daniele90

daniele90

Forum regular
#442
Dec 16, 2020
You all have to thanks ESRB range imposed by big societies like Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft that wants an M rating to be the highest allowed. This wouldn't be an issue if it only affects consoles but in that case developers said that they'll never would have released the game with an AO rating. Naturally cloud gaming platforms are bringing censorship to next level as they still have the very same console's stupid ESRB range and Geforce Now will get Steam and GOG versions of all games. To release an uncut AO version of a game will become more difficult even on PC where AO rated and Unrated games are allowed. Censorship can't be called innovation, i hope streaming services will not become the only way to play, they only give more power to big societies to choose what you can and you can't play. ESRB range is an old thing from 1994 and in 2020 so many peoples still support it. It's ridiculous. Notice that AO rating can be also applied to non sexual related contents.
 
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daniel79

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#443
Dec 16, 2020
Enerccio said:
Might have been 1.03 then? I am certain that it was possible. I could not be naked outside (only with panties) but npcs did react if I had nothing else on me. And scav bathtub guy was naked.
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Are you playing on console or PC?
 
Beldamon

Beldamon

Forum regular
#444
Dec 16, 2020
Just my opinion... mods, or even DLC should not have to add features that were promised in the base game to begin with.

The game had definitely been censored vs. what was promised. For what reason, we don't know.

It may be outside pressure, and it may have been out of the hands of the decision makers.

What was not out of their hands though was communication. If they were advertising a feature -- especially one they were heavily relying on for marketing purposes -- and it had to be removed for reasons they could not control, the onus is still on them to communicate that fact. BEFORE release.

My opinion.

And the fact that mods can correct this doesn't make it ok.
 
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Enerccio

Enerccio

Fresh user
#445
Dec 16, 2020
Vechernyaya said:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-12-15-cd-projekt-vows-to-rebuild-trust-after-cyberpunk-2077-last-gen-launch-woes

My personal advice, censorship is not a good way to rebuild trust.

I'm personally waiting for GOG refund. Yes, because of censorship, it break my pleasure knowing that it's censored. It's not about the nudity itself, I play lots of games without nudity, it's about censorship.
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daniel79 said:
Are you playing on console or PC?
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PC
 
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daniel79

Senior user
#446
Dec 16, 2020
Beldamon said:
It may be outside pressure, and it may have been out of the hands of the decision makers.
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If it's possible in "Conan Exiles" why shouldn't it be possible in Cyberpunk...nah, something weird is going on here.
 
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daniele90

daniele90

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#447
Dec 16, 2020
Enerccio said:
Might have been 1.03 then? I am certain that it was possible. I could not be naked outside (only with panties) but npcs did react if I had nothing else on me. And scav bathtub guy was naked.
In 1.03 wasn't possible,i played it and i also saw a Twitch live on the 9/12/2020 when the game still wasn't released and it wasn't possibile.



Same, I do not condone censorship at all. Was appaled when I saw boxers guy in scav bathtub!
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IndifferentEmpathy

IndifferentEmpathy

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#448
Dec 16, 2020
Vechernyaya said:
My personal advice, censorship is not a good way to rebuild trust.
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Quite funny, given GOG got cold feet about publishing Taiwanese game Devotion today.

CDPR cares more about money and marketing image than customers and principles.
 
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daniele90

daniele90

Forum regular
#449
Dec 16, 2020
daniel79 said:
If it's possible in "Conan Exiles" why shouldn't it be possible in Cyberpunk...nah, something weird is going on here.
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Conan Exiles was censored for consoles and even the customization menu was changed to avoid an AO rating. PC version was just released in early access and remained uncut. In EU countries also consoles version is uncut.
 
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daniel79

Senior user
#450
Dec 16, 2020
daniele90 said:
In EU countries also consoles version is uncut.
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Exactly.
 
daniele90

daniele90

Forum regular
#451
Dec 16, 2020
Big societies should read this:
www.google.com

The cold war on the Adults Only rating must stop if gaming is to grow up

Game ratings were designed to open the door for different kinds of content, not limit what can be shown or addressed in a video game. The idea was that developers and publishers would be given...
www.google.com www.google.com

We could use more 'Adults Only' games, says ESRB's Vance

ESRB president Patricia Vance reflects on the stigma against her organization's infamous "Adults-Only" rating, and argues that an increase in AO games would be a "good thing" for the game industry.
www.gamasutra.com

Many others that call the AO rating only for porn should read this:
 

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ExaltedSamurai

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#452
Dec 16, 2020
I am glad they are merging threads and not just deleting them. "Cost is irrelevant when it comes to restoring our reputation." The art team was already paid, to create these nude models. It makes sense that not all models are nude. Example would be the crematorium where covering is normal. But "cyber chop shops" it has no respect. I dont care if you put a bloody hole like other games, dont put brand new underwear on a butchered corpse. The game has a censor option, let us decide what is to much for us to handle.

I am frustrated at this idea that a game rated 17+ where you have to be IDed to purchase had to be toned down do to a design choice. I was given 100% expectations of a game that was just changed with no word. In 2018 e3 it was showed to us gameplay that included both male and female in game nudity.



"Nudity is important for us because of one reason,” Badowski said. “This is cyberpunk, so people augment their body. So the body is no longer sacrum [sacred]; it’s profanum [profane]. Because people modify everything, they are losing their connection to the body, to the meat. And that’s why we need to use the nudity in many situations.

“You see that there are bodies in the tub, and you need to take care of this woman. But at the same time she is augmented,” he continued, searching for the right words. “She is not clean. Maybe she is augmented too much. Maybe the humanity level is pretty low in her, so it’s an interesting topic. It’s one of the key themes in cyberpunk. The very first scenes in the original Ghost in the Shell anime show exactly the same aspect. Because where is sacrum and where is profanum in a world when you can simply modify yourself to such limits that it makes you a different kind of person? It’s one of the most important themes in cyberpunk, as a genre.”


This censorship made Badowski a bold lier. So no matter how small the Dev team thinks this is. This censorship toggle should be left to the purchaser. Because it is a "small thing", so small in fact we thought it was a bug that was an easy fix. Your design choice was so bad we assumed it was a glitch. I still feel it is.


To end this rant/opinion on a positive note. This game is truly great, no code is perfect and we learn it in the game. I am with you for the long hall because everything can be fixed, including bugs, design choices, and even reputation.

Please Dev team, let us decide, that is why you gave us a toggle.
 
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nafeasonto

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#453
Dec 16, 2020
I don't know how they expected this to run under the radar.
 
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daniele90

daniele90

Forum regular
#454
Dec 16, 2020
daniel79 said:
Exactly.
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It's only a case. Conan Exiles never got the AO rating and so they only censored the game for US to secure the M rating. If a game get an AO rating can't be allowed on consoles and cloud gaming services worldwide. Only on PC uncut version can be released, however Geforce Now that also supports censorship is getting the very same Steam and GOG versions of games and will bring censorship everywhere.
 
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daniel79

Senior user
#455
Dec 16, 2020
daniele90 said:
It's only a case. Conan Exiles never got the AO rating and so they only censored the game for US to secure the M rating. If a game get an AO rating can't be allowed on consoles and cloud gaming services worldwide. Only on PC uncut version can be released, however Geforce Now that also supports censorship is getting the very same Steam and GOG versions of games and will bring censorship everywhere.
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Sorry, I have no idea what you are tryin to say. Point is, full nudity in a AAA game on PC and console (outside US) is a thing. It has been done before. So obviously there's no reason CDPR wouldn't be able to do it. Period.

But seeing the unpolished state that the game is actually in, they probably didn't have any time to spend on making a "special" version for the US market, so they just censored everything...? Or maybe the rest of the world gets censored so the US gamers don't get super-pissed and instead everybody is just normal-pissed.
 
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Mossa

Mossa

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#456
Dec 16, 2020
Just going to add my own thoughts to this thread. The sex scenes I am fine with, it was what I expected, something akin to Mass Effect ones but in POV, though, if my character looking down at the crotch area during sex and I see a pair of boxers, or in the shower, pole dancers in strip/sex clubs etc, etc, it really got me out from the whole mature theme.

And I hate that sex get this weird censor but the violence doesn't. I shot half the skull of an unconscious person making the brain and all this visible but a penis or vag during sex, nah, that way too much.

What was even the point of adding genital customization when it doesn't matter? Surprised that the girl in the tub, in the beginning, was not censored from seeing the guy being censored, all the strippers, whores, scavenged corpses, and what not wearing underwear.
 
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Enerccio

Enerccio

Fresh user
#457
Dec 16, 2020
Mossa said:
Just going to add my own thoughts to this thread. The sex scenes I am fine with, it was what I expected, something akin to Mass Effect ones but in POV, though, if my character looking down at the crotch area during sex and I see a pair of boxers, or in the shower, pole dancers in strip/sex clubs etc, etc, it really got me out from the whole mature theme.

And I hate that sex get this weird censor but the violence doesn't. I shot half the skull of an unconscious person making the brain and all this visible but a penis or vag during sex, nah, that way too much.

What was even the point of adding genital customization when it doesn't matter? Surprised that the girl in the tub, in the beginning, was not censored from seeing the guy being censored, all the strippers, whores, scavenged corpses, and what not wearing underwear.
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she was visually censored, at no point you could move camera to see anything explicit. Only thing that was uncensored, and I am sure it is bug now, is alt's pussy that you can even see part of while she moves around on the couch after sex.
 
skikxa

skikxa

Fresh user
#458
Dec 16, 2020
its fine i got the nudity back as i said before... but what you say is true i can just unpatch my game.
 
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daniel79

Senior user
#459
Dec 16, 2020
Enerccio said:
she was visually censored, at no point you could move camera to see anything explicit. Only thing that was uncensored, and I am sure it is bug now, is alt's pussy that you can even see part of while she moves around on the couch after sex.
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Bug, or maybe something they missed when they started censoring stuff? God knows they missed a whole lot of other stuff that should have actually been fixed...
 
JAD2012

JAD2012

Forum regular
#460
Dec 16, 2020
daniel79 said:
Sorry, I have no idea what you are tryin to say. Point is, full nudity in a AAA game on PC and console (outside US) is a thing. It has been done before. So obviously there's no reason CDPR wouldn't be able to do it. Period.

But seeing the unpolished state that the game is actually in, they probably didn't have any time to spend on making a "special" version for the US market, so they just censored everything...? Or maybe the rest of the world gets censored so the US gamers don't get super-pissed and instead everybody is just normal-pissed.
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Probably the latter.
 
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