[Suggestions]NUDITY MEGATHREAD - Remove censorship and bring back what advertised

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First things first, a fair warning from the moderators:

Please avoid heated arguments and never feed the trolls.

Now to the matter at hand...

So, I'm seeing a couple of threads every couple of hours since the official response from CD Projekt arrived regarding the "nudity bug". It isn't a bug as you can read here: Official response. All threads seem to be getting closed (don't close this one too, guys, please?), so I decided to open another but with a different tone. A suggestion, a petition.

What follows comes from a mature person that has a healthy relationship for years, so take it with moderation and not as a rant.

We have a mature game in our hands, filled with graphic violence, drugs, alcohol and sex. And yet, we can't take a shower naked and we can't look at our own junk while walking around naked in our own apartment. We can't take naked photos either.

Sure, okay, I can live with being forced to wear underwear once I leave my house, or even auto-equipping my last used gear once I leave my house, that would be fine. But omg... it's just so ridiculous that you allowed us to customize our characters at such sexual level only to see them spinning in our inventory! It's a non-sense, seriously.

This isn't a game breaking mechanic for me, but it sure is immersion breaking. After a certain mission, you wake up dizzy in the shower, looking at the floor and you see yourself wearing trunks (if male V), this totally broke the immersion for me. Up until this moment, I didn't really care that I wasn't able to see my dick when naked. Is not the necesity to see my own junk, it's the fact that a person doesn't get into the shower wearing underwear... and I'm sure you agree with this but you were forced to reduce the nudity during gameplay. There's no other explanation.

The combination of all of this with the fact that you promised the game would feature full nudity without any kind of censorship just really confuses me.

If consoles can't have it, fine, but my dudes.... you own your own platform... GOG and Steam is totally okay with nudity nowadays and adult games...

You made an inclusive game in which you can play as trans people, your NPC's dress like whatever they want, there seems to be no kind of inhibition or censorship, and yet and I can't... look at my own naked body....

Snif :(

Edit: I want another matter to the discussion. The prostitutes.

Why are there only two NPC's you can interact with to initiate sex? Isn't the whole city cramped with prostitutes or what? I don't really understand it.

For me the reason is more than obvious: censorship again. When you put ONLY two NPC's that you can interact with, far away from the main story and 1st moments of the game, you "hide" those NPC's.

Imagine if you were able to hook up with any prostitute during your first visit to Viktor's (main plot progression). That street is filled with prostitutes, yet you can't really have sex with anyone. Why? These prostitutes don't really act any different than the two that you can interact with, (the ones that are far away, hidden from main story) they would invite you to their place and that's it.

I'm 100% sure the original idea was for you to be able to initiate sex with any prostitute <is prostitute=true> and allow players to interact with them. Not so hard... and VERY easy to censor.
Sort of sums up my view too, given the mature nature of the game, it seems a bit over the top. Also, not entirely sure how I feel about the actual sex scenes, whether with romances or joy toys? They feel like they've been diluted or censored somehow too.
 
I also would pay for an AO version of every game even double the price.
I'm reading your posts but I still can't decide what your opinion on this matter is, to be honest. You actually are okay with CD Projekt censoring the game and you consider nudity an AO thing? 'Cause that's not the issue here.

The game is rated +18 here in Europe, meaning it's an adult only game, but at the same time, it's not a pornographic game because the main theme of the game isn't sex, see the difference? We have a rating system that actually allows for more artistic freedom because +18 means +18, not +17, like the ESRB's, THAT's the stupid issue with american rating system.

We don't need an AO version of the game, we just need to get what was advertised and stop this censorship from keep going. Cyberpunk 2077 is a mature game for adults, not teenagers, not kids. If mama and papa decides that you can play this game, that's on them, not CD Projekt.

I don't really see the point in trying to ask for an "uncut version", right now the game needs a lot of patching, I just hope that the following patches that are going to arrive the following weeks/months don't add MORE censorship to the game, that's all.

And I, and this is a personal opinion (shared by many others), don't think a dick and a pussy makes a game adult only, it's the context and sexualization.

That being said, what you are able to do in free roam while naked is not sexualized in any way. The most sexualized thing you can do is pose like "one of your french girls" in photo mode, and if anything, that's in a more joke tone than sexual/erotic.

I don't know, just tell me dude, what are you really defending?
 

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please do not give in to prudity.
its pointless in this game anyhow, ther are dildos EVERYWHERE. relegious fundamentalists will be pissed off no matter if you put bandaids on the nipples or not, but putting bandaids on the nipples makes this game appear insincere.

remove all censorship. its an adult game. threat us as adults.
IF you insist, make it a gameplay option. the code to censor/decensor it should be there already.
 
The censorship offends me, particularly in photomode. I count that as a removed feature, particularly because 1.04 added welded on shorts. Sleazy ads vanish in photomode to...why?! It takes a lot of the flavor out of scenes in busy areas!

At least we can hack the game (on PC) to get around big corp censorship. IRONIC

EDIT: Note this got moved here from a post asking what offends us about the game. If it seems out of place, that's why!
 
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I'm not one to care much about nudity in games, whether it has it or not, I even chose the "no thanks" option for my character's genitals, but this censor situation is just SAD.

Censorship in general is really disappointing and the "graphic murder is ok but not nipples and penises" stance is just pathetic. I'm hoping there's a later patch for PC to at least allow this back with an option because honestly, it's what we were promised. I wondered why the nudity I saw on day one was not a thing I figured it might have just been the area of town I'd been in.

Don't make a big deal about your game having customizable genitals then never have them shown. Underwear in the SHOWER? SERIOUSLY?
 
nudity doesn't even work for me at all.. still have bras in character creation and even the holo dancers in Lizzie's Bar have bras... WTF!!!
 
I'm reading your posts but I still can't decide what your opinion on this matter is, to be honest. You actually are okay with CD Projekt censoring the game and you consider nudity an AO thing? 'Cause that's not the issue here.

The game is rated +18 here in Europe, meaning it's an adult only game, but at the same time, it's not a pornographic game because the main theme of the game isn't sex, see the difference? We have a rating system that actually allows for more artistic freedom because +18 means +18, not +17, like the ESRB's, THAT's the stupid issue with american rating system.

We don't need an AO version of the game, we just need to get what was advertised and stop this censorship from keep going. Cyberpunk 2077 is a mature game for adults, not teenagers, not kids. If mama and papa decides that you can play this game, that's on them, not CD Projekt.

I don't really see the point in trying to ask for an "uncut version", right now the game needs a lot of patching, I just hope that the following patches that are going to arrive the following weeks/months don't add MORE censorship to the game, that's all.

And I, and this is a personal opinion (shared by many others), don't think a dick and a pussy makes a game adult only, it's the context and sexualization.

That being said, what you are able to do in free roam while naked is not sexualized in any way. The most sexualized thing you can do is pose like "one of your french girls" in photo mode, and if anything, that's in a more joke tone than sexual/erotic.

I don't know, just tell me dude, what are you really defending?
I'm not ok with any form of censorship, i only say that this is self-censorship, so no one forced CDproject to censor the game. PEGI 18 rating isn't the same thing of an AO rating, it often is applied to the very same games that on US get an M rating. At this point i don't understand with "what advertised", you're all talking about underwear and they probably choose to force it when nude in free roaming to not risk an AO rating. Naturally AO rating isn't only for porn game and would be good to see this rating allowed easily at least on PC.
 
nudity doesn't even work for me at all.. still have bras in character creation and even the holo dancers in Lizzie's Bar have bras... WTF!!!

did you ever at any point enable the nudity censor option in the menu? apparently that setting is a one way street to fresh new game to fix right now. also to note all of the strippers in the game are wearing some sort of covering (pasties, Tape, cloth lines, etc.) so you are not missing much with them wearing bras... In fact i suspect at this point any amount of nudity seen in free roam is not intended (ie the one or two NPCs you might manage to get to spawn in in 50 hours of gameplay that are wearing slightly see through tops or skirts are likely supposed to have underwear and CDPR just did not find them yet in the code to fix it...)
 
did you ever at any point enable the nudity censor option in the menu? apparently that setting is a one way street to fresh new game to fix right now. also to note all of the strippers in the game are wearing some sort of covering (pasties, Tape, cloth lines, etc.) so you are not missing much with them wearing bras... In fact i suspect at this point any amount of nudity seen in free roam is not intended (ie the one or two NPCs you might manage to get to spawn in in 50 hours of gameplay that are wearing slightly see through tops or skirts are likely supposed to have underwear and CDPR just did not find them yet in the code to fix it...)
well, it was off when i started the game... so yeah, i enabled it.... i am on pc btw... was that the prablem?
 
I hope they can hear our suggestions and help us.. I hope it is not a bad idea to add optional Patch only for 18+. I mean, patch can be used like DLC and only for 18+ players. Easy-Peasy, right? :beer::howdy:
 
Another thing that bother me is:
why you can't even see your breast in first person when playing with a female body, even if its covered with the bra.
Even without the censorship you can never see it.
 
Another thing that bother me is:
why you can't even see your breast in first person when playing with a female body, even if its covered with the bra.
Even without the censorship you can never see it.

Yes, POV's position now is broken :)
Look on Skyrim Pov mod:
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I'm not ok with any form of censorship, i only say that this is self-censorship, so no one forced CDproject to censor the game. PEGI 18 rating isn't the same thing of an AO rating, it often is applied to the very same games that on US get an M rating. At this point i don't understand with "what advertised", you're all talking about underwear and they probably choose to force it when nude in free roaming to not risk an AO rating. Naturally AO rating isn't only for porn game and would be good to see this rating allowed easily at least on PC.
So, you actually don't really see the issue here, as I guessed. You also seem to have misread what I said, +18 is not the same as AO, we don't even have AO rating in Europe:

PEGI 18

The adult classification is applied when the level of violence reaches a stage where it becomes a depiction of gross violence, apparently motiveless killing, or violence towards defenceless characters. The glamorisation of the use of illegal drugs and explicit sexual activity should also fall into this age category.

So, again, you see? The issue isn't about labelling this game "aDulT OnlY" in the US, is about an European company bending the knee to an american rating board or SIE/Microsoft, censoring the game so that it isn't labelled as pornographic (adult only).

I don't really see the point in keep discussing this with you because you don't really see the actual issue. CD Projekt RED hasn't censored themselves, that's just not. An artist never censors him/herself. It's only from external pressure that happens, it's how it is. If you can't understand that, then I'm afraid you won't really see the actual problem.

Having an avatar showing the "AO" rating as if it's "cool" that this game is "aDulT OnlY" justs shows that you don't understand the problem with censorship. This game isn't adult only in the sense of pornographic/violent. It's mature in nature because it has violence, sex and drugs, but it isn't a porno game or ultra violent game.... and certainly, not having underwear doesn't really make Cyberpunk 2077 an "adult only" game... it's just ridiculous to ask for an "adult only" version or a "x rated" version of this game if you prefer. Ridiculous.
 
I hope they can hear our suggestions and help us.. I hope it is not a bad idea to add optional Patch only for 18+. I mean, patch can be used like DLC and only for 18+ players. Easy-Peasy, right? :beer::howdy:

I had this thinking too...

like the advertised Braindances, stripclubes and other locals behind a 18+ "ao" etc. DLC

But even if that would be there, the world would still feel empty... since there is still no immersion.
That game needs scripted events in the open world, gangwars, possibilities to DO something in the world, and actual routines for the NPC's.

I'm not even starting to talk about "decision"Quests or things that would affect the world... I think such stuff will be a dream for ever.

With these points included to the removed censorship I would give this game a positive review on steam and would be actually, well maybe not happy, but at least satisfied with the advertised and promised content...
 
I had this thinking too...

like the advertised Braindances, stripclubes and other locals behind a 18+ "ao" etc. DLC

But even if that would be there, the world would still feel empty... since there is still no immersion.
That game needs scripted events in the open world, gangwars, possibilities to DO something in the world, and actual routines for the NPC's.

With these points included to the removed censorship I would give this game a positive review on steam and would be actually, well maybe not happy, but at least satisfied with the advertised and promised content...

Actually true, you right :( Just hope they can add is if fears for 17+ rating :D Optional DLC for full nudity and only for 18+ players will be great for people who can't playing in panties :D
 
well, it was off when i started the game... so yeah, i enabled it.... i am on pc btw... was that the prablem?

Yes if you enabled the censor option in the game menu (not the character creator mind you--the main menu of the game-- there is an option to disable nudity). it will be permanently disabled for that character (that I think is a bug an will be fixed at some point they just might not actually know about it since it was only mentioned i these threads so they may not realize there are issues with the censor toggle option). I believe turning the censor option off and making a new character will fix it for the new character, but I might be wrong since I read about that issue and stayed the heck away from it. since even then people had no confirmed how to fix it.
 
Dear CD Project
Since you declared that the underwear "during exploration" is intended I have been pretty concerned, not only because it makes no sense, but also because the message you are trying to give as an enterprise is unacceptable. There is no censorship for other characters during sex scenes, but there is censorship everywhere else, which conveys a message of nudity being only sexual. This goes against the inclusivity, the freedom of expression and the "transhumanism" you said before release you were wanting to promote. Being naked during sex but not during showers, times alone and doing non sexual things is outrageous for these exact reasons.
Furthermore, I don't really think this is intended as at first release the game included nudity "during exploration", which was immediately patched. Additionally, before the release you promised the game would have nudity. The unused genitalia creation and breast creation (which doesn't change anything as breasts are resized with clothing) gives evidence that nudity was going to be another feature. Nobody realizes after releasing a game that they "forgot" to put underwear to the main character. You can't change your mind about the final product's characteristics after selling it. Also it makes no sense that the character looks different in the inventory than in the actual exploration section; I have played many games and in none of those have I seen this happening.
I sincerely hope you keep your word and revendicate your convictions.
Best wishes,
Felipe
 
well, it was off when i started the game... so yeah, i enabled it.... i am on pc btw... was that the prablem?

Nudity is on by default. If checked the box then what you were doing was enabling the censor and switching off the nudity. Once you have done that and started the game, you cant change it back - this could be a bug or intended im not sure.

You will probably have to start a new game and switch off the censor. Or.. .you might be able to manually edit the config files in the game folder and overtype the censor settings from true to false or whichever way around it is, but it's easy enough to do.
 
Dear CD Project
Since you declared that the underwear "during exploration" is intended I have been pretty concerned, not only because it makes no sense, but also because the message you are trying to give as an enterprise is unacceptable. There is no censorship for other characters during sex scenes, but there is censorship everywhere else, which conveys a message of nudity being only sexual. This goes against the inclusivity, the freedom of expression and the "transhumanism" you said before release you were wanting to promote. Being naked during sex but not during showers, times alone and doing non sexual things is outrageous for these exact reasons.
Furthermore, I don't really think this is intended as at first release the game included nudity "during exploration", which was immediately patched. Additionally, before the release you promised the game would have nudity. The unused genitalia creation and breast creation (which doesn't change anything as breasts are resized with clothing) gives evidence that nudity was going to be another feature. Nobody realizes after releasing a game that they "forgot" to put underwear to the main character. You can't change your mind about the final product's characteristics after selling it. Also it makes no sense that the character looks different in the inventory than in the actual exploration section; I have played many games and in none of those have I seen this happening.
I sincerely hope you keep your word and revendicate your convictions.
Best wishes,
Felipe
Very well said, man.
 
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