[Suggestions]NUDITY MEGATHREAD - Remove censorship and bring back what advertised

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The game is sold for 18+ people. So censor of any kind about nudity is absolutely ridiculous considering the fact i can literally rip someones head off with my mantis blades or the fact i can rocket launcher them to spread their insides across the floor.
Also on many side quests you can find corpses of people who look like someone gutted them alive and ripped their insides out for you to view with no amount of censoring anything. But nudity is where we draw the line?

It just doesn't make any sense.
 
Another thing that bother me is:
why you can't even see your breast in first person when playing with a female body, even if its covered with the bra.
Even without the censorship you can never see it.
FOV 80 and you can see it - but you get a fairly low quality version for some reason.
 
So, you actually don't really see the issue here, as I guessed. You also seem to have misread what I said, +18 is not the same as AO, we don't even have AO rating in Europe:

PEGI 18

The adult classification is applied when the level of violence reaches a stage where it becomes a depiction of gross violence, apparently motiveless killing, or violence towards defenceless characters. The glamorisation of the use of illegal drugs and explicit sexual activity should also fall into this age category.

So, again, you see? The issue isn't about labelling this game "aDulT OnlY" in the US, is about an European company bending the knee to an american rating board or SIE/Microsoft, censoring the game so that it isn't labelled as pornographic (adult only).

I don't really see the point in keep discussing this with you because you don't really see the actual issue. CD Projekt RED hasn't censored themselves, that's just not. An artist never censors him/herself. It's only from external pressure that happens, it's how it is. If you can't understand that, then I'm afraid you won't really see the actual problem.

Having an avatar showing the "AO" rating as if it's "cool" that this game is "aDulT OnlY" justs shows that you don't understand the problem with censorship. This game isn't adult only in the sense of pornographic/violent. It's mature in nature because it has violence, sex and drugs, but it isn't a porno game or ultra violent game.... and certainly, not having underwear doesn't really make Cyberpunk 2077 an "adult only" game... it's just ridiculous to ask for an "adult only" version or a "x rated" version of this game if you prefer. Ridiculous.
The "pressions" you're talking about can be ESRB range and/or Sony new nudity policy, if you don't think is ESRB it maybe the second thing. My opinion is that like many other games to keep the game as mature like you said they just choose to not exaggerate with nudity and other contents, for example you can't attack kids NPCs and drugs in game are only fictional. Drugs can still be a problem with OFLC rating as many games are banned in Australia for that reason, however many games like GTA V and Mafia 3 got an R18+ rating even with real drug reference and passed uncut. OFLC just banned games like Fallout 3 and State Of Decay where drugs were used like medicine that you can also find in the real world based on morphine and other substances. However like in The Witcher series CDProject could have choosen to use fictional names with any substance to be sure to avoid any issue related to this and this can be called self-censorship like the underwear. Not having underwear could still make the game AO because it would add much more nudity in game and could be considered "erotic", physics on genitals and you could also zoom on V's penis or vagina. Vagina always deserve an AO rating for ESRB and that's because even in the character customization and Cunnigham scene it's low detailed and at low resolution.
 
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First things first, a fair warning from the moderators:

Please avoid heated arguments and never feed the trolls.

Now to the matter at hand...

So, I'm seeing a couple of threads every couple of hours since the official response from CD Projekt arrived regarding the "nudity bug". It isn't a bug as you can read here: Official response. All threads seem to be getting closed (don't close this one too, guys, please?), so I decided to open another but with a different tone. A suggestion, a petition.

What follows comes from a mature person that has a healthy relationship for years, so take it with moderation and not as a rant.

We have a mature game in our hands, filled with graphic violence, drugs, alcohol and sex. And yet, we can't take a shower naked and we can't look at our own junk while walking around naked in our own apartment. We can't take naked photos either.

Sure, okay, I can live with being forced to wear underwear once I leave my house, or even auto-equipping my last used gear once I leave my house, that would be fine. But omg... it's just so ridiculous that you allowed us to customize our characters at such sexual level only to see them spinning in our inventory! It's a non-sense, seriously.

This isn't a game breaking mechanic for me, but it sure is immersion breaking. After a certain mission, you wake up dizzy in the shower, looking at the floor and you see yourself wearing trunks (if male V), this totally broke the immersion for me. Up until this moment, I didn't really care that I wasn't able to see my dick when naked. Is not the necesity to see my own junk, it's the fact that a person doesn't get into the shower wearing underwear... and I'm sure you agree with this but you were forced to reduce the nudity during gameplay. There's no other explanation.

The combination of all of this with the fact that you promised the game would feature full nudity without any kind of censorship just really confuses me.

If consoles can't have it, fine, but my dudes.... you own your own platform... GOG and Steam is totally okay with nudity nowadays and adult games...

You made an inclusive game in which you can play as trans people, your NPC's dress like whatever they want, there seems to be no kind of inhibition or censorship, and yet and I can't... look at my own naked body....

Snif :(

Edit: I want another matter to the discussion. The prostitutes.

Why are there only two NPC's you can interact with to initiate sex? Isn't the whole city cramped with prostitutes or what? I don't really understand it.

For me the reason is more than obvious: censorship again. When you put ONLY two NPC's that you can interact with, far away from the main story and 1st moments of the game, you "hide" those NPC's.

Imagine if you were able to hook up with any prostitute during your first visit to Viktor's (main plot progression). That street is filled with prostitutes, yet you can't really have sex with anyone. Why? These prostitutes don't really act any different than the two that you can interact with, (the ones that are far away, hidden from main story) they would invite you to their place and that's it.

I'm 100% sure the original idea was for you to be able to initiate sex with any prostitute <is prostitute=true> and allow players to interact with them. Not so hard... and VERY easy to censor.

Edit 2: I want to start adding some of the corcerns expressed in this thread for easy access for the devs, if you want yours to be added, sent me a PM.
I agree with all that you put, and really, I am taking the RPG nature of this game to heart. I could of swore there was a phrase, welcome to the future, do anything you want. I really wanted to emmerse myself. Yes I have a VR rig, but I loooove this game lore of the future and absolutely love all things Johnny (Mnemonic) Silverhand. Please Red, let us really live the game.
 
Has CDPR made a statement why they have cut the mature features after release? Regarding a developers statement that the "actual bug" isn't one, it's working like intended, I assume in the time from game release until patch 1.04 the nudity was "bugged"....?

Before 1.04 I was able to see my own character naked in first person/third person in Photo mode, like I created her in the creator. I saw her naked in the mirror. She was naked in the shower.....etc, the censorship setting was off and the nudity was working like CDPR featured it before they released the latest patch.

In my oppinion...nudity worked as intended before the change came.

When the nudity was possibly "bugged" before, why there was no patch note where they adressed the bug.

My hope, they include it again and let the player decide what he want to see or not......like before with the "working" censorship setting.

But I would like to see an official statement why they made these cuts after they released their game.
This would be so great, imagine if Red gave an option to gamers:

proof of age and validity to turn on nudity or more immersive gameplay

then place it in the settings to toggle. after logging out, its turned off by default to prevent a gamers kids from logging into the game on their machine.

It would require a code to toggle on and off.

Games purchased in some countries would be unable to toggle due to country restrictions so that those countries can still play the (less immersive game play) while the rest of the world can enjoy the full content that I know CDPR wants to give us. They didn't do this on purpose, it had to of come from a higher up and they had to make last minute decisions not based on what they wanted to give us, but by what codes they had to follow.

I believe there is a workaround just as i have exampled to please everyone.
 
Oh boi this game is so poorly made it seems like no one played it before the release sooo many bad choices its sad and frustrating.
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And the thing with censorship its so odd that i can blow someone to pieces but cant see dong "CENSORSHIP"

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But for some reason in first mission the girl we save is fully naked WTH??
 
A response to any to this would be great. This game the day of launch had nudity in the billboards, the npc's, the items on the vinyl records you could pick up in certain areas of the city, and in the bars. Then the patch hit and bam all of it was gone except for 1 billboard I've seen.

This isn't a esrb or pegi issue, the game was rated months ago with the content in it we saw on launch day, that the critics reviewed and experienced on the week leading up to launch.

Something happened when they introduced that last patch, some of it intended with the photo mode and the player genitals outside of the inventory screen. Some of it possibly not intended when it covered up everything else in nightcity despite having nudity turned on in the gameplay menu.
 
Oh boi this game is so poorly made it seems like no one played it before the release sooo many bad choices its sad and frustrating.
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And the thing with censorship its so odd that i can blow someone to pieces but cant see dong "CENSORSHIP"

P.S
But for some reason in first mission the girl we save is fully naked WTH??
From what i see on YouTube and Twitch videos full and partial nudity are randomly featured in game and are shown in customization menu, you only can't see your character fully nude. The first mission scene had both male and female corpses fully nude before but now male model has underwear on. This could be another thing devs choose to not show in the final product to be sure to pass certifications. Rating boards may censor something that they see as "too much" and so maybe one nude corpse would be ok but two aren't allowed anymore, naturally it's not sure that it would be so, maybe yes and maybe not but developers wanted to secure their rating. That's the same thing to show fully nude character in the menu and shows it with underwear in the actual gameplay.
 
There I was thinking "finally, a realistic and mature game where the topic of sex and sexuality is taken seriously and allows for the immersion you would expect from a cyberpunk world", and yet here we are...

If you have the option to choose and change your genitalia (although the range of options is sad and very limited! never heard of grooming and carpet coloring? ), but then NEVER see them except in your inventory screen when the resolution is shit and all you can do is turn your toon... not in the mirror, not when looking down, when in the shower and nothing during sex scenes either. so what's the fucking point?

Let's leave the lack of possible sexual encounters, or the fact that the motions and positions in the sex cutscenes are 100% the same, no matter what gender you play, or who you engage with, out for a second. You do the same scissor position with the guy and the girl, regardless of your bits. It's boring to say the least. And then on top of that sad display of crap sex, there is no proper photo mode during those scenes either.

What's the problem? Afraid people gonna make small porn movies? or flood the net with naked images of Vs? So what? That's gonna happen anyway! Own it! Make a thing of it! Make an in-game porn page for the net, and add some of the best you find! Make a fucking context for the best sex movie! Own that shit! Or just leave it out all together.

In the end, this, like many other features, seems to have been used to build up a hype, use the "controversy" as a marketing ploy, but never really deliver to those you take the money from. I can't tell you how disappointed I am in CDPR, a company that used to get nothing but praise, sold out in the worst way possible. The only thing that would be worse, if they would sell more options, more joytoys and more sex scenes via micro-transactions...

In the end, the dev's promises were as meaningless and flacid, as the in-game choices and the sad useless inventory schlongs...
 
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There I was thinking "finally, a realistic and mature game where the topic of sex and sexuality is taken seriously and allows for the immersion you would expect from a cyberpunk world, and yet here we are...

If you have the option to choose and change your genitalia (although the range of options is sad and very limited! never heard of grooming and carpet coloring? ), but then NEVER see them except in your inventory screen when the resolution is shit and all you can do is turn your toon... not in the mirror, not when looking down, when in the shower and nothing during sex scenes either. so what's the fucking point?

Let's leave the lack of possible sexual encounters, or the fact that the motions and positions in the sex cutscenes are 100% the same, no matter what gender you play, or who you engage with. You do the same scissor position with the guy and the girl, regardless of your bits. It's boring to say the least. And then on top of that sad display of crap sex, there is no proper photo mode during those scenes either.

What's the problem? Afraid people gonna make small porn movies? or flood the net with naked images of Vs? So what? That's gonna happen anyway! Own it! Make a thing of it! Make an in-game porn page for the net, and add some of the best you find! Make a fucking context for the best sex movie! Own that shit! Or just leave it out all together.

In the end, this, like many other features, seems to have been used to build up a hype, use the "controversy" as a marketing ploy, but never really deliver to those you take the money from. I can't tell you how disappointed I am in CDPR, a company that used to get nothing but praise, sold out in the worst way possible. The only thing that would be worse, if they would sell more options, more joytoys and more sex scenes via micro-transactions...

In the end, the dev's promises were as meaningless and flacid, as the in-game choices and the sad useless inventory schlongs...
If it has been forced censorship i hope they'll release an uncut patch at least for PC but they just said on their Discord months ago it' ll not happens.
 
I get that 100%!!!

I just think it is funny that the point of attack is the censoring cock 'n balls and not (for example) the missing subway-feature, car-costumization, hair stylists and what not.

Again. Im not attacking anybody here! I just think it is funny that the whole ordeal drifted into that direction.

The missing subway feature, car customization and hair stylists have all been pointed out as content that needs to be worked on from the community. You just have to understand that people focus on what bothers them personally the most. So I get your concern, you also have to get the rest for their personal concerns.
 
Sorry to break your dreams guys but I doubt it's ever gonna happen.
The problem with removing the character's panties during the game is the following: If you do, that mean people could go on photo mode and focus on their character's genitalia...The day they make the change, I can guarantee you that you'll find V's sex everywhere.

What's the problem with that? Well, to me, none but unfortunately, we're still living in a world where nudity and sex in general are very much taboo (I know, it's dumb, we allow depiction of gore violence but showing your character's intimity is a big no, no. Doesn't make any sense to me either but it's just the world we're living in).

For this reason, showing a full frontal nudity was already borderline and basically as far as they can go for a AAA game but allowing players to make a close up on their genitalia would be considered crossing the line.

Long story short, the nudity/panties issue isn't really a CDPR problem but more of a cultural/society problem.

Also, I agree with YesYourHighness, CDPR never promised this kind of feature. You can claim that to be dumb or frustrating but you can't say that they didn't keep their promise on that one (they didn't for a lot of things about this game, the citizen of NC having their own life, for example, but the degree at which nudity will be depicted isn't one of them).
 
The missing subway feature, car customization and hair stylists have all been pointed out as content that needs to be worked on from the community. You just have to understand that people focus on what bothers them personally the most. So I get your concern, you also have to get the rest for their personal concerns.

If cock'n tits are bothering them the most then they have some serious issues. But I guess they are horny 16 year olds who shouldn't have access to such a game in the first place.
 
It shouldn't matter what platform ur playing on they need to change it. At this point the game is not immersive at all u cant do anything in night city u cant even sit and take a drink or eat something. Some players like the game to be immersive im one of them and im disgusted how they managed that.
 
Someone should start a campaign. You already have a game where you are chopping off limbs with a Katana. Who are the devs trying to protect? If the ultra conservative types dont want their kids seeing nudity then they should also not want them seeing violence and or profanity either and therefore shouldn't even let then play the game. I wana see my junk in the shower. Some dev literally worked his ass off to make like a variety of dks and has all his effort covered up with dumb shorts or in some cases(including mine) dumb purple underwear.
 
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