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That's a joke...4.5/10?!

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TheBadderman

TheBadderman

Senior user
#61
Apr 27, 2012
How do you comment on that site without registering? [...]
 
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username_3236168

Rookie
#62
Apr 27, 2012
TezJaggs said:
How do you comment on that site without registering? [...]
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they disabled it but here the twitter
 
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nstiver

Rookie
#63
Apr 27, 2012
KnightofPhoenix said:
The troll in game can create a better review.
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The troll in game is probably a lot smarter than the reviewer, too.
 
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Kashrlyyk

Forum regular
#64
Apr 28, 2012
secondchildren said:
You're right but I wouldn't give such a bad rating to a game becoz of the laggy controls etc. Every game has its flaws and bugs and so on, some are really really nasty...
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THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THAN BAD CONTROLS! Bad controls are the best reason to give bad marks for games. The fact that they did NOTHING to fix that in the "Enhanced Edition" makes it even worse. 10 GB download and the massive flaws with the controls are still there.

secondchildren said:
...I cannot even imagine how you could shoot a rating\opinion after playing it only once.
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Who said he only played it once? I can understand newcomers that get pissed of at the game because of the shitty combat that they only finish the game once maybe even don't finish the game at all. And the review was written for newcomers to the Witcher 2. It makes no sense to write a review for the fans of the Witcher 2. They already own the game. He has to advice people on whether the game is a good purchase or not.

secondchildren said:
People need to learn to read the damn journal.....
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There is a basic rule in visual media: "Show it, don't tell it." The journal and the last dialogue in the game with Letho is complete and utterly violating that rule. It is horribly bad story telling.


BTW I only use the number to look up what the magazine means with it. For example 4players.de has 75-85 as meaning "good game". That is the only thing you need to get out of the numbers. Anyone who starts discussion about the numbers being too low is to immature and probably to young to be allowed to play the Witcher 2.

Grown up players know that only the text is important and both reviews mentioned in this thread are pretty accurate with their review texts.
 
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anglachelh

Rookie
#65
Apr 28, 2012
I was going to ignore your post (because it's an obvious attempt at trolling, you even used ALL CAPS in part of it) but I guess I will debunk the only mildly coherent (but still deeply flawed) section of the post, just so you learn for the next time and at least put a bit more effort in the trolling.

There is a basic rule in visual media: "Show it, don't tell it." The journal and the last dialogue in the game with Letho is complete and utterly violating that rule. It is horribly bad story telling.
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You clearly heard of "show don't tell" somewhere, thought it was cool, and repeated it like a parrot without reflecting on it because you evidently do not grasp the concept. That phrase applies to examples like introducing a character with the narration saying he is intelligent but without us seeing anything regarding said character's wit or wisdom; that it's better to convey emotions through the dialogue itself rather than simply saying "X character spoke with apparent stoicism but an anger could be felt just beneath the surface"; etc.

As you can see it has to do with the narrative telling the reader/gamer/etc how to interpret something as a cheap way of avoiding the hassle of executing the scene properly to give the same information. Nothing to do with background lore and additional information which provides a context for the action and enriches the world (the journal) nor with an "all pieces coming together" moment such as the last conversation with Letho - ´plus in this last case we do see all the stuff that Letho says he did, we just now fully understand his motivation and how everything fits together. It's possible that you missed the extensive and well executed Foreshadowing that appears through the whole game and that's why you utterly misunderstood this scene, but that speaks of your own competence (or lack thereof) and not of the quality of the writing.

As the TvTropes article says "Now this line is sometimes quoted as an absolute gospel truth, which is not really true. It's certainly a good habit to get into (particularly in character writing; nobody likes being told what they're supposed to think of someone), but it's not an ironclad rule, and knowing when to break it to quickly explain minor details is a major aspect of learning to write."

You cannot talk about storytelling when you do not even know the real meaning of the phrases you are using...

Oh and your talk about "grown up" people is just flaunting your ignorance.
 
tommy5761

tommy5761

Mentor
#66
Apr 28, 2012
ok guys let`s stick to the topic and not berate each other .
 
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Adonai-

Senior user
#67
Apr 28, 2012
Don't think anything useful is really coming from this thread.

It's gone →:mad:+++

when it should have just been →+
 
TheBadderman

TheBadderman

Senior user
#68
Apr 28, 2012
Kashrlyyk said:
THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THAN BAD CONTROLS! Bad controls are the best reason to give bad marks for games. The fact that they did NOTHING to fix that in the "Enhanced Edition" makes it even worse. 10 GB download and the massive flaws with the controls are still there.

Who said he only played it once? I can understand newcomers that get pissed of at the game because of the shitty combat that they only finish the game once maybe even don't finish the game at all. And the review was written for newcomers to the Witcher 2. It makes no sense to write a review for the fans of the Witcher 2. They already own the game. He has to advice people on whether the game is a good purchase or not.

There is a basic rule in visual media: "Show it, don't tell it." The journal and the last dialogue in the game with Letho is complete and utterly violating that rule. It is horribly bad story telling.


BTW I only use the number to look up what the magazine means with it. For example 4players.de has 75-85 as meaning "good game". That is the only thing you need to get out of the numbers. Anyone who starts discussion about the numbers being too low is to immature and probably to young to be allowed to play the Witcher 2.

Grown up players know that only the text is important and both reviews mentioned in this thread are pretty accurate with their review texts.
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You are an idiot you mug, don't like the game? What are you doing on this site. Jog on son, you have been warned.
 
tommy5761

tommy5761

Mentor
#69
Apr 28, 2012
TezJaggs said:
You are an idiot you mug, don't like the game? What are you doing on this site. Jog on son, you have been warned.
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No one gives warnings but the moderator crew . Either stick to the topic or it will be locked .
 
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Georgie_Porgie

Senior user
#70
Apr 28, 2012
I laughed so hard when I read this review. But look at this this way. Some people are just used to shit and now can't tell the difference between a good and a bad game. I mean when you play I lot of crap it kinda becomes awesome but then you get something good and it starts to feel like crap.
 
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nocny.945

Forum veteran
#71
Apr 28, 2012
Summary of review:

Bobby Hunter: "I admit that I'm an idiot."
 
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KnightofPhoenix

Rookie
#72
Apr 28, 2012
Anglachelh said:
You clearly heard of "show don't tell" somewhere, thought it was cool, and repeated it like a parrot without reflecting on it because you evidently do not grasp the concept. That phrase applies to examples like introducing a character with the narration saying he is intelligent but without us seeing anything regarding said character's wit or wisdom; that it's better to convey emotions through the dialogue itself rather than simply saying "X character spoke with apparent stoicism but an anger could be felt just beneath the surface"; etc.

As you can see it has to do with the narrative telling the reader/gamer/etc how to interpret something as a cheap way of avoiding the hassle of executing the scene properly to give the same information. Nothing to do with background lore and additional information which provides a context for the action and enriches the world (the journal) nor with an "all pieces coming together" moment such as the last conversation with Letho - ´plus in this last case we do see all the stuff that Letho says he did, we just now fully understand his motivation and how everything fits together. It's possible that you missed the extensive and well executed Foreshadowing that appears through the whole game and that's why you utterly misunderstood this scene, but that speaks of your own competence (or lack thereof) and not of the quality of the writing.

As the TvTropes article says "Now this line is sometimes quoted as an absolute gospel truth, which is not really true. It's certainly a good habit to get into (particularly in character writing; nobody likes being told what they're supposed to think of someone), but it's not an ironclad rule, and knowing when to break it to quickly explain minor details is a major aspect of learning to write."

You cannot talk about storytelling when you do not even know the real meaning of the phrases you are using...

Oh and your talk about "grown up" people is just flaunting your ignorance.
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Excellent post, thank you +1
 
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4ad

Rookie
#73
Apr 29, 2012
More hits for the site from the angry metacritic mod , if this brings more money from ads why not giving it a 0/10 ?

Sometimes sites use unsuitable reviewers ,i still remember a 3/10 for a football manager game because the reviewer thought it is stupid you can not controll your players with a controller ....
 
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Kindo.824

Forum veteran
#74
Apr 29, 2012
4ad said:
Sometimes sites use unsuitable reviewers ,i still remember a 3/10 for a football manager game because the reviewer thought it is stupid you can not controll your players with a controller ....
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Haha! I remember this one; a true classic suitable for the Hall of Shame of game reviews.
 
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eisberg77

Senior user
#75
Apr 29, 2012
I think you people are getting to worked up over 1 persons opinion. Soo, 1 person did not like the game, who the frak cares?

I don't know about anybody else, but I use reviews to help determine if I am going to buy a game or not. It took time, but I found writers of reviews that I trust, writers that I felt had the same likes and dislikes as me when it comes to games.

This Bobby guy probably has followers as well, people who feel he has the same likes and dislikes as they do. Bobby found out the game wasn't for him for his reasons and his followers would probably feel the same way, so they saved some money. It is impossible to please everyone, and there are bound to be people who do not like a certain game. Just because they don't like it, and you do doesn't make them an idiot, it just makes them someone who has different likes and dislikes as you do.
 
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yuikami

Rookie
#76
Apr 29, 2012
Was just reading through the review...

Either this man is paid or has no taste in gaming at all... - -*

Anyway, I would really love to see the Troll in the game review this game XD
"Wisher man like man?"

Edit: I left all my rant here, doesn't want to put more fire into the forum...
 
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duskey

Senior user
#77
Apr 29, 2012
eisberg1977 said:
I think you people are getting to worked up over 1 persons opinion. Soo, 1 person did not like the game, who the frak cares?
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You're missing the point. The review has nothing to do with the game. That site gave the game a bad review to generate more traffic and raise awareness of their site. It's a calculated PR move, it has nothing to do with The Withcer 2 in any way.

That's why people should be upset.
 
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nstiver

Rookie
#78
Apr 30, 2012
Kashrlyyk said:
THERE IS NOTHINGI can understand newcomers that get pissed of at the game because of the shitty combat that they only finish the game once maybe even don't finish the game at all
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Shitty combat? Really? Some people are just impossible to please. I would really like to know what constitutes your lofty definition of good combat.
 
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duskey

Senior user
#79
Apr 30, 2012
LoboLawNM said:
Shitty combat? Really? Some people are just impossible to please. I would really like to know what constitutes your lofty definition of good combat.
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Ironsights and cover-based shooting, I'd wager.
 
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nstiver

Rookie
#80
Apr 30, 2012
Duskey said:
Ironsights and cover-based shooting, I'd wager.
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lol-I was going to make a snide FPS comment, but you beat me to it.
 
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