The different treatment of Triss and Yennefer by CDPR

[iNeSiNhA]

I must have a different game to you then because I don't remember being forced to kiss Triss during that scene.

Catching her is no different to catching Keira in the cave when she faints. Geralt isn't some mannerless oaf who lets women go crashing to the ground. But you can choose to put her down without any kiss. It really is frustrating for me that people assume I am pro-Triss when I am not, or cannot see that each thing con be considered on it's own merits.

If Geralt forced an unwanted kiss on a woman, people would be up in arms. I didn't kiss Triss, and found that it was an awkward moment done well. I didn't want to kiss Yennefer and I certainly didn't want to come out from behind the curtain looking smug afterwards - it was completely out of keeping with all of my actions to that point. I have no problem with her making the advance - I just wanted the option to not kiss her.

And you don't kiss Yennefer also in that scene, but i was talking mainly about the moment when Geralt embraces Triss so a random guy don't notice them.

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Triss had three games. One forced romance. Portraited as a Disney Princess in TW3.

Yennefer one game. An innofensive kiss. Npcs fighting her all the time.

Most newcomers probably Will finish Novigrad and kiss Triss before going into Skellige, locking into her romance or getting the menage ending.

Imo tw3 push into Triss.

I had forgotten that "quest level" fact, if this doesn't help to push someone through certain decisions, well...

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Redesigning quest lines was way beyond the scope of this so called "Triss patch" (which, by the way, adds almost the same amount of new dialogue with Yennefer, but the changes are all around very minor). Yes, that part of the game could have been done better, but there are at least more reasons for a second playthrough. And locking the player into a later unwanted romance can actually have a negative effect on how it is perceived. Especially since after the choice (in acts 2 and 3) it is very unsatisfying, with 3-4 times less content compared to Yennefer. Note also that Yennefer is first encountered in the tutorial/prologue, and while that may not seem much, it already begins to push the player towards the Yennefer and Ciri witcheress ending by showing them as a family (add young Ciri for extra emotional effect). So, I am not sure about the overall direction of the "bias" (if any) here.

No, it introduces Yennefer character, FIRST game that we are seeing her, and that's it, 'cause their first encounter was so awkward and there is already a NPC bad mouthing Yennefer (Vesemir) that most players will be like "what a bitch", something that all NPCs start doing by the way.

 

[wright1978]

I must have a different game to you then because I don't remember being forced to kiss Triss during that scene.

Catching her is no different to catching Keira in the cave when she faints. Geralt isn't some mannerless oaf who lets women go crashing to the ground. But you can choose to put her down without any kiss. It really is frustrating for me that people assume I am pro-Triss when I am not, or cannot see that each thing con be considered on it's own merits.

If Geralt forced an unwanted kiss on a woman, people would be up in arms. I didn't kiss Triss, and found that it was an awkward moment done well. I didn't want to kiss Yennefer and I certainly didn't want to come out from behind the curtain looking smug afterwards - it was completely out of keeping with all of my actions to that point. I have no problem with her making the advance - I just wanted the option to not kiss her.

Gotta agree. If you are talking about forced elements in TW3 it's far more present in regards of Yen, from flirting to kissing.

 

[LadyStoneheart]

And you don't kiss Yennefer also in that scene, but i was talking mainly about the moment when Geralt embraces Triss so a random guy don't notice them.

Talk about the bottom of a barrel.

They're trying to look inconspicuous at a party likely to be crawling with witch hunters. A party that is part of a quest you don't even have to do.

I can NEVER avoid doing quests with Yennefer, except the one quest that doesn't matter to someone choosing a Single Geralt path (or, I imagine, a pro-Triss one) because aside from being able to tell her to her face it's over, it made bugger all difference to the way she treated me.

From the point of view of someone who wanted neither sorceress, I could walk away from Triss any time. Yennefer, on the other hand, is forced on me all the time, even when CDPR provided dialogue options that made me think I was going to be able to do otherwise. The theft and use of the mask for example. I can tell her I disagree, I don't want to do it but... I have no option. I can't leave her to do it alone (and frankly, she doesn't need Geralt in order to retrieve or use it), or even say I'm going to talk to Ermion first and try to resolve it peacefully. I'm forced to kiss her, forced to flirt with her, forced to listen to random Skelligers bitching on about "you and that sorceress" when there is no "you and the sorceress".

 

[Avin]

Geralt of Rivia won't hesitate helping a woman he knows for decades in Order to help Ciri.

It's like Luke Skywwalker refusing to help Han Solo to save Lea.

 

[TreesAreCanon]

As I'm reading through the posts, I'm thinking this discussion leads nowhere. No point to argue about your virtual waifus.
Well yeah, I know this is the point of the thread... I more or less completely disagree with OP and everyone who claims they are "pushed" into anything. Seriously people? It's a computer game, you noticed? You all make your own decisions for yourselves (doesn't always work like that in life) and even when you feel like you are being forced into something you don't like, you can still decide otherwise. There are always two options. Shocking? Triss vs Yen fandom ruins the forum for no reason. How about we like the characters we like and stop mocking other people for their choices? That is literally the point of a choice you know, there's always going to be someone who will choose the other option. If you judge and/or mock the person for that, then you're saying a lot more about yourself (nothing positive) than about the person who made the choice. Please people, just calm down and stop mocking "the other side". There was never ANY good in it. Focus on your own stuff, on the things you like. Aren't the shipping wars for virtual waifus boring by now? You can't feel the breasts you see on your screen in your hands (despite of you wishing for it, never lucky) so what's the point of being overly eager about it? I'm going to repeat myself once again, it's a freaking game, stop judging it, stop judging other people who play it and enjoy your time. If you're not having fun with it and decide to create and/or post in such threads, then it's maybe time for a pause. We are supposed to relax and have a good time. Isn't that what games are for in the first place? NO drama. Maybe if we all focused on what's important for us in the game (narrative flaws - relationships between certain characters) and present it to developers in a calm and reasonable way, instead of this hilarious Triss vs Yen bullshit, we could really make them feel better about their work and therefore take some of our suggestions into consideration - see how it worked with Triss romance? They put their time and effort into it... Why does almost every Yennefer fan have to mock Triss fans and claim Yennefer is superior? It's a fantasy game. Not a written book. Game FULL of options. You made your choices, he made his and she made hers. So please, Triss fans, stop reacting to and/or arguing with people who offend you. Why? Yen fans... I don't know where to being. Just calm down. Especially you @Kallelinski - the original post almost gave me a mental disease. That's not your style at all and you know it yourself, come on. It disappoints me greatly... Just imagine the enthusiastic developers who want to see the feedback from community after the patch. They open the forum and see this bullshit. Cold shower. You think they will ever listen to us like this? It would require a BIG change of our behaviour.

 

[dragonbird]

This is rapidly going downhill, and I think it's time that it ended.

OK. Now that it's locked, I'm also going to say why.

The forums are full of threads giving feedback on different aspects of the game, from the gameplay, the story, the ending, pretty well everything. It *should* have been possible to have a thread giving feedback on the romances, and on the 1.10 dialogue changes, but it appears that far too many people on BOTH sides are far too emotionally attached for this to be anything other than a Triss vs Yen discussion. (With the occasional interjection by those who are tired of seeing such discussions in the forums).

So, unfortunately, the topic is closed and will stay that way, and attempts to re-open it either as a new thread or within other existing threads are strongly discouraged. There are enough diverse opinions already in this thread to give CDPR feedback, and this kind of shipping war will not be tolerated further in the forums.