The Forlorn Hope: Cyberpunk Off-Topic

[Maelcom404]

Well, he's passionate about it, like most of us here, we can sounds harsh, but it's never intended as an attack in anyway.
Anywyay, in a way, I do feel him.
CDPR barely shows up around here, so why a forum, in first place?

All we do for years is spinning a wheel made on nothing, false hope and nostalgia based on a pnp that will most probably look nothing like what Cyberpunk 2077 will delivers.

We can live without screenshot or anything, and I can understand why CDPR don't want to show their work.
But, come on.

We have barely nothing to chew on now, sure the game is "trending", but based on what?
Nothing, just a poster-teaser not even made by CDPR and on a 30year old source pnp RPG.

Oh, yeah, we could talk about gameplay stuff etc...
But... Just look at the forum, you have people fighting over third/first person view, turn-baser/real time, etc...
"I want multiplayer" "Ho no, you don't, single player only" "oh but PVP? And what about baloons and pony?"
That's pointless, that game coud, for all we know, look like anything, GTA, Fallout, Deus Ex, heck, could even be a freaking point 'n click or a Sim City reboot.

CDPR worked and keeps on working on that game, and I'm pretty sure the basic stuff are there (I doubt they spent those 4years of pre-production eating pop-corn and looking at porn in the "closed-door Cyberpunk department")

It's just frustrating, you can give him that.

They said "We'll listen to good ideas in our forum".
Ok, but good ideas based on what?

"Ok, well, if there are Aliens in cyberpunk, they should be purple, because purple is cool".

That's pretty much what this forum is looking like now, a fanfiction about a surprise game that is to be released.

At least, they could give us, just a few "decents" hints about what they're expecting the game to be.
Kinda like the press conference in 2012, or at least, confirm what they keep / change / throw away.

Really, we're at a point, 4years after the realease of the trailer, and in 2016 we're talking about nothing concrete, just fighting over fantaisies.
That forum has no point at all, right now, we'd better be in the 2020 section, talking about thing we know, more than fighting over chimeras that CDPR don't even seems to bother reading / answering.

Or, something else than "This game is gonna be badass", etc...
Because, guys, we're the "mature audience" you're talking about.
We all remember the "Hey! Next week, a big surprise in the cyberpunk forum", you promised a cool stuff, and all we got was some crappy "red points" system that are just as pointless as all the stuff we're arguing on, very mature.

I'm not even mad, I'm just not seeing the point of that forum anymore.
I seriously thought about removing my account, because there is nothing to talk about here anymore (and I don't care about The Witcher, so not a big loss)

So, please, CDPR, I don't want the game spoiled but...
What game are we talking about?

It
Is
Just
That
Simple.

 

[227]

So... this is goodbye.

But... but... you're our captain! Without you, this ship is aimless and doomed to crash into a pier like in Speed 2. Do you want us all to end up like Speed 2? Has anyone actually seen Speed 2?

I forgot what I was saying, but I feel you. Mostly while you're sleeping. It's much more fulfilling to treat this place like a petty argument factory or some kind of passive-aggressive training center than to actually accept that we came here for a game. Anyway, take it easy. Hopefully someone will soon get drunk or kidnapped enough to divulge 2077 information so that everyone who's left can come back.

 

[Mebrilia]

Cd project should at least give something enough to talk about to their fan... This situation is a bit stressfull for sure..

At least give us some Official FAQ

 

[Sardukhar]

Yeah, it's not stressful,or rather it shouldn't be. You're feeling stress because you don't have news on a product you were told might/would come out, years ago, and hasn't yet?

You've loaded -way- too much of your priorities onto a gaming company.

If you're here to talk to fellow members of the Cyberpunk gaming community, great. There are people here to speak with.

If you're here to catch up on news of Cyberpunk and Cyberpunk 2077, no problem. We are too.

However, if you're here to pressure CDPR to give you news you feel you deserve? You are wasting your time. It will not happen no matter how upset you are. Move along and think about something else for awhile.

Don't use these forums to express your frustrations at not getting what you want.

 

[Calistarius]

I think this is partly why so many companies try to not put information out there about the games they make untill somewhat close to being in the final stages of being done. Because so much tends to change through the development process.

I mean if you look at the Witcher 3, apperantly CDPR did not announce that game untill 2013... 2 years after the release of Witcher 2, and 2 years befor the release of Witcher 3 its self.

So by the time they announced the Witcher 3 they where so far along already in development that there actually was something to talk about, and to show. I guess

With Cyberpunk 2077 they decided to announce it way earlier then they apperantly have normally been willing to do with their games... so much so earlier that there basicly is nothing to show or even really talk about from the game. And talking about the game, in more then very rough and vague ways, is not really possible... because CDPR does not them selves compleatly know what the game will end up being yet. They know what they would like, and they have already said as much about that... but the process of getting from "this is what we would like the game to be", to "this is what we will be able to make", takes time... not to mention will be in a constant motion, will constantly change, untill they finally reach that point of "this is what the game actually will be". And considering that they did not really ramp up the productuion of CP2077 untill this year (I belive it was), means that we are still pretty far out from getting any actual information about the game.

It was maybe a bit of a mistake for CDPR to announce CP2077 so early as they did... they should probably have done the same with CP2077 as they did with Witcher 3... not announce it untill a few years into the actual production of the game... so if we use that 2 years difference between the announce ment of Witcher 3 and when the Witcher 2 and 3 where relesed, as an example... then CDPR should probably not have really announced CP2077 untill maybe 2017.

But... part of the CP2077 announcement back in 2013 was not only ment for us, the consumers... it was ment to pull in people interested in working on that CP2077 project, and I am sure it was also part of CDPR's process in building out the size of their company, starting the process of slowly increasing the number of employees they have... and things like that takes time as well. Hiring new people is not a quickprocess really... especially not if you want to make sure that the people you're hiring will be right for your company.

It is unfortunat that it has turned out this way... but it did, not much they can do about it now... other then keep their head down and continue the grind untill the point where they finally actually have something that they can actually show us something.

Personally I would rather that CDPR keeped their mouths shut about the game untill they have reach the point of "This is what the game will actually be"... rather then them contantly talk about the game and what it will be, only for it to change every single week or month or something, because they have not managed to lock down what the game will be yet. In my mind that would be more annoying to go through, then not really knowing anything for a long period of time.

 

[Mebrilia]

Yeah, it's not stressful,or rather it shouldn't be. You're feeling stress because you don't have news on a product you were told might/would come out, years ago, and hasn't yet?

You've loaded -way- too much of your priorities onto a gaming company.

If you're here to talk to fellow members of the Cyberpunk gaming community, great. There are people here to speak with.

If you're here to catch up on news of Cyberpunk and Cyberpunk 2077, no problem. We are too.

However, if you're here to pressure CDPR to give you news you feel you deserve? You are wasting your time. It will not happen no matter how upset you are. Move along and think about something else for awhile.

Don't use these forums to express your frustrations at not getting what you want.

I think you don't understand my post or at least maybe is my fault that i don't explain well english is not my first language after all...

I Do believe cd project could for sure deliver a great game...But i also believe not sharing any info after years... and we are talking about years... not few months or a couple of year is not a good sign of respect for those fans that been with cd project since the beginning... This sadly is the new trend of gaming developers and this attitude always create a toxic attitude on your community and is a plain bad pratice...
I am not upset... But i have to say i am really disappointed on this... And also in some recent cd project delcaration such as the marketing campaign of fallout 4 was great... when was not at all... since the game was showelled out as a garbage sequel and never felt a fallout RPG.. Big mistake that could be avoidable if they listened the community a little instead to hide everything then release the game for sure if more detail of that game were avaliable Fallout4 stay sure never sold like that...

Is good to wait years for a great product... But is really bad don't have a shred of info after years... Is just plain despicable...

I am not asking for screenshot or concept arts or gameplay videos..

But at this point some general faq on what the game will be are necessary

Will be: FPP TPP or both?
The classes stats skill of the pen and paper will be in the game?
We could see the implants we put on your character or they will be boring shiny icons ala Deus Ex?
We actually have chance to create our character? picking gender and customize it?
Will be a game with a true cyberpunk feel with all the option possible to solve a situation or will be another Hollywoodesque cyber themepark?

At this point we should have general official lines on how the game is going to be...

Again... Years are passed before the first annuncement and this super secret attitude is starting to harm a community that after years of no info is still here craving for information...

I invite you to think about it Sardukar before saying phrases like: "Don't use these forums to express your frustrations at not getting what you want."

After years those infos should be avaliable.. And again sadly we don't have even the basic ones..

 

[Suhiira]

No, I don't think announcing CP2077 early was a "mistake". When W2 was released we already knew that barring W2 being a total flop W3 was coming, just not when. With W3 CDPR said "This is the last of the franchise" so they needed to let people know what they were going to be working on next.

The fact that they've said very little about the game isn't surprising at all. As folks above have mentioned sure they know what they want to see in the game ... so did the folks that made "No Mans Sky" ... but unlike some CPDR isn't going to promise , or even suggest, features they don't KNOW they can deliver. I for one respect that.

 

[Sardukhar]

No, none of that info "should" be available. The first trailer was both an interest-check, ( are people interested?) and a job ad (Hey, wanna work on this?). That's it.

As for the idea that sharing development with your fanbase was the old days, no. Some devs did it, most did not. Something like Star Citizen nowadays, where they show you everything, that's really really rare. Developers share when they have something to say. Might be days ahead, might be months.

Decades could pass and they -still- wouldn't owe us anything. Why would they? We haven't -paid- for anything! We paid for Witcher 3 and received Witcher 3. Same for 1 and 2.

Hell, CDPR makes their corporate statements available on their website. Want to know what the paying shareholders know? Go ahead and look. Then you'l be as up-to-date as the people who -ae- actually paying for something they don't have yet. Well, investing.

This idea of deserved information on an unmade product is false entitlement, pure and simple.

 

[Mebrilia]

No, none of that info "should" be available. The first trailer was both an interest-check, ( are people interested?) and a job ad (Hey, wanna work on this?). That's it.

As for the idea that sharing development with your fanbase was the old days, no. Some devs did it, most did not. Something like Star Citizen nowadays, where they show you everything, that's really really rare. Developers share when they have something to say. Might be days ahead, might be months.

Decades could pass and they -still- wouldn't owe us anything. Why would they? We haven't -paid- for anything! We paid for Witcher 3 and received Witcher 3. Same for 1 and 2.

Hell, CDPR makes their corporate statements available on their website. Want to know what the paying shareholders know? Go ahead and look. Then you'l be as up-to-date as the people who -ae- actually paying for something they don't have yet. Well, investing.

This idea of deserved information on an unmade product is false entitlement, pure and simple.

Is not entitlement if we are talking on a product i will spend my money on it... Also i don't think that people are asking too much.... I think they at least want to know the basic feature of the game in a official way... Wich is not entitlement but being rasonable... first trailer appeared in the 2013 now is almost 2017.... Sorry Sardukar but you can't call entitled people because are upset that after years don't have a shred on info... They are upset? then what? Is their right to be so...We are not talking with gameplay videos or screenshot here we are talking to have even the minor info that give a clue what the basics of the game will be...

After all this years we know nothing...Nothing at all...

Since me like them are the one interested to spend money on this product we at least deserve to know at least something to get an idea how the game will be...
This delay on info have not excuses...

I am not going to flame on the forum and i think the post of the guy saying he was leaving was a bit overreacting...but he has valid reason and any person with little honesty will admit that...

Is been years....

Criticize the policy of a company you spend money in is constructive criticism and perfectly reasonable please let's stop calling people names.

Also how it works? We are "entitled" to support a company when they do something we like... and we are not "entitled" to show we are not happy if a certain company adopts some policy?...

 

[Sardukhar]

Criticize the policy of a company you spend money in is constructive criticism and perfectly reasonable please let's stop calling people names.

Also how it works? We are "entitled" to support a company when they do something we like... and we are not "entitled" to show we are not happy if a certain company adopts some policy?...

Nope. You don't work for them. If you don't like the product you paid for, sure. But you haven't -paid- for this product. You were told they were working on something. That's it.

Entitlement is exactly criticizing a company for not doing what you want, when what you want isn't something you've earned in any way.

If you want to criticize them for not supporting Witcher 3 properly or failing to follow up on plans for GWENT ( when it's released or if you are in beta) great. Have fun.

But you're complaining about a product you've spent not one whit on. You may be a previous customer of the company, but you've received your goods. Why would you get to complain about a product you've not paid for?

Do you go around complaining to other companies about products they are developing, that you haven't paid for, because you want to know more and you think you deserve to know more?

Do you call up Ford or go on their website and complain they haven't told you enough about their next model of car, that you haven't purchased yet?

Seems kind of...futile, to me.

 

[Mebrilia]

"But you're complaining about a product you've spent not one whit on. You may be a previous customer of the company, but you've received your goods. Why would you get to complain about a product you've not paid for?"

I am not complaining about a product i yet didin't paid for i am complaining with this new policy to don't give not even basic information at distance of years on a product that interest me and guess what? is my right to do so because i am interested not only in this product but even in this community and in a nice communication between developers and community thing that in past cd project had and i was proud off...

Something is change in bad there is total lack of communication not even the basic information we basically are here years speculating and dreaming hoping for a news even a small one to have idea what kind of game this is going to be again...

is been Years this is not a situation of a couple of years or some month is been years people are waiting for a shred of info about this awaited title... Seems to me that beside the users this forum is abandoned by the devs.. I know is not true but still i can see how someone can have this impression...

What i don't want is lose the credibily cd project gained on me in those years... But their acting is not helping at all

Now you can lie to yourself and be free to tell: Is all ok we are waiting some info on a game from almost 5 years but we had not a shred of news even on what the game is going to be in general lines..

Or simple you can't get why people are complaining

But for sure you can't call names...

1) Because is not a mature attitude..

2) You are a moderator so you should be an example.

And talking about how is wrong or right criticize a company for his policy and how is entitled complain about that:

I always remember that if a company became big is mostly because people chose to puchase their product.. People that supported it.. and chose to invest or spend their money for their product..Clients are not sheep tough the fact they buy your product don't authorize you to act entitled and ignore or hush when they are complaining about something expecially when the complain is legitimate like this one...

 

[Hoplite_22]

snipped the big snip

problem with this attitude is that they can't tell you information they don't have.
They don't know the shape of the finished game right now, not because they don't have a plan but because in a year what was done one way now may not be then.
If you are told about things they don't know are in the final game you get a lot of infants complaining they lied about what was in the game. see No Man's Sky for example.

Not talking till they have the final product is the best thing they can possibly do.

 

[Maelcom404]

Do you call up Ford or go on their website and complain they haven't told you enough about their next model of car, that you haven't purchased yet?

Seems kind of...futile, to me.

I know Ford will release a car, with 4 wheels and everything I do know a car will provide.
Tho, I probably won't know any specifics spec but I do have an overall idea of what it will be.

All we have now with cyberpunk is kinda "Ford is gonna release something, will it be a car? a ship? a plane? who the hell knows! All we knows is that it can roll! Surprise!"

And then, they're inviting us to discuss about the wheel size when we don't even know where it should fit.

We do know it a RPG, so it roll, but well, it's too vague as there are so many ways to make a "RPG" nowadays.
Yes it's futile, childish in a way, but we're at a loss of informations, it's eithers ghostly piece of info, rumors, etc...
The thing is, there is nothing to talk about anymore in here, every topic have been made, so we're driving ourselves crazy.
It's not entitlement, we're not saying we "deserve to know everything", just a frustrated punch throwed in the air after years of talking about stuff we don't know and having the marketing department teasing us with things that seems to never delivers.

Sure, we'll wait till 2017 to "infos", I just hope it'll be worth the wait, not another "wait & see", or "the game will be badass".
The longer you let expectations run free, the more chances you have to make people disapointed, so just a small update would be welcome.
Now, it's not pressuring CDPR, on the oposite, it's showing them that we do care about that project, otherwise we'd not be mad at the lack of news.

You can't expect people not to getting nervous about news after half a decade of silence and dev's promising us the moon (the game will be great / badass, best scifi game ever, etc...).

It's just human frustration about a project we do care about, nothing more.

 

[Sardukhar]

But for sure you can't call names...

Being told you are doing something you don't like the description of is not the same as being called names. There is an irony that you feel free to criticize the actions of people who owe you nothing but feel that your actions should be free of the same criticism.

If your behaviour, or anyone else's, resembles entitlement, that's because it does. That's not calling you names, that's describing behaviour, and it was used to describe anyone who believes "the fact of having a right to something" applies to their demands for information.

If you think you have a right to that information, then you believe you are entitled to it. In this context, it is a negative value, because of course you don't have the right to the information. It's not yours.

I always remember that if a company became big is mostly because people chose to purchase their product.. People that supported it.. and chose to invest or spend their money for their product..Clients are not sheep tough the fact they buy your product don't authorize you to act entitled and ignore or hush when they are complaining about something especially when the complain is legitimate like this one...

This is an old and silly saw. "We made you big, you owe us." Nonsense. We liked their products, so we bought them. That's what made them big, their own quality decisions. Which, ironically, you are now upset with. Did you complain about the lack of information on Witcher 1?

We didn't "make them big". We weren't original investors or equity fund gamblers or the parents that loaned them the startup funds. We are customers. We engaged in a trade for goods, which we received.

You are creating a relationship beyond what it is, as if we were owed more than what we paid for. That's not the case, which is why we -aren't- getting what we want.

We are getting these free forums, which is nice of them.

I know Ford will release a car, with 4 wheels and everything I do know a car will provide.
Tho, I probably won't know any specifics spec but I do have an overall idea of what it will be..

And you have an overall idea that CP2077 will be a videogame. With UI, graphics, sound, characters, set in a Cyberpunk future.


See, here's the thing, everyone.

When you complain and complain about your needs not being met, you bring down the community. People feel resentment towards CDPR and in our information-rich culture, where you are used to finding something out within seconds, you feel ripped off. And then you bring others down.

And I don't want that. I don't really care if you're unhappy about lack of information, because there's nothing I can do about it. I, too, would love more infos. Of course. As much or more than anyone else here. Literal decades I've been hoping for a CP2020 RPG. It's my favourite PnP RPG. I know it top to bottom.

But if you bring other people down out of a sense of entitlement or frustration, I have a problem with you and recommend you take a break from the community.

At least until you like being here and it's fun, not frustrating.


Edit: I know this comes across fairly severe, but CP2077 hasn't got any real issues with it, unlike the fun we had with Witcher 3. I do -not- want to see this blossom into something that sends people away from here and if I think that's where a thread or poster is heading, I will act to curtail that behaviour.

 

[Suhiira]

Sard, I'm proud of you, you hit it directly on the head. CDPR ... in fact anyone that makes anything owes us nothing prior to the release of their product. If after we, or someone else, buys it we find out it's junk then you're entitled to complain. If the product is functional and safe to use and your complaints are because it was done one way and not another (it's red ... I hate red ... it should be blue) you still have no right to complain, you have a right not to buy it.

 

[Mebrilia]

Being told you are doing something you don't like the description of is not the same as being called names. There is an irony that you feel free to criticize the actions of people who owe you nothing but feel that your actions should be free of the same criticism.

If your behaviour, or anyone else's, resembles entitlement, that's because it does. That's not calling you names, that's describing behaviour, and it was used to describe anyone who believes "the fact of having a right to something" applies to their demands for information.

If you think you have a right to that information, then you believe you are entitled to it. In this context, it is a negative value, because of course you don't have the right to the information. It's not yours.



This is an old and silly saw. "We made you big, you owe us." Nonsense. We liked their products, so we bought them. That's what made them big, their own quality decisions. Which, ironically, you are now upset with. Did you complain about the lack of information on Witcher 1?

We didn't "make them big". We weren't original investors or equity fund gamblers or the parents that loaned them the startup funds. We are customers. We engaged in a trade for goods, which we received.

You are creating a relationship beyond what it is, as if we were owed more than what we paid for. That's not the case, which is why we -aren't- getting what we want.

We are getting these free forums, which is nice of them.



And you have an overall idea that CP2077 will be a videogame. With UI, graphics, sound, characters, set in a Cyberpunk future.


See, here's the thing, everyone.

When you complain and complain about your needs not being met, you bring down the community. People feel resentment towards CDPR and in our information-rich culture, where you are used to finding something out within seconds, you feel ripped off. And then you bring others down.

And I don't want that. I don't really care if you're unhappy about lack of information, because there's nothing I can do about it. I, too, would love more infos. Of course. As much or more than anyone else here. Literal decades I've been hoping for a CP2020 RPG. It's my favourite PnP RPG. I know it top to bottom.

But if you bring other people down out of a sense of entitlement or frustration, I have a problem with you and recommend you take a break from the community.

At least until you like being here and it's fun, not frustrating.


Edit: I know this comes across fairly severe, but CP2077 hasn't got any real issues with it, unlike the fun we had with Witcher 3. I do -not- want to see this blossom into something that sends people away from here and if I think that's where a thread or poster is heading, I will act to curtail that behaviour.

And again you miss the whole point of my posts calling about entitlement and stuff...

Again i will tell you we don't have even the minimum basic information and again i tell you i think who claims cd project are evil and want to leave is plain overreacting... But we do have right to be concerned at this point is true we don't have any basic information...Calling entitled the people that are concerned or frustrated by this no info attitude is just childish and somewhat convenient for big company...

I am not saying they owe us information... But after 5 years at least we have to know at least some basic mechanics on the game... The policy of being silent just harm your community...

Again.. Is been 5 years.... Your argument could be valid if we were waiting from 2 years... but is 5 years people are waiting for a shred of information and this is too much...

Now i know you are attempting to tone down the anger is raising... I am no angry at all i am just discussing sometimes in the forum is hard to determine a tone of a phrase...

But calling people entitled will make you obtain just more anger and frustration and is not right name calling like that because someone have a different opinion than you...

Because in the end is just a matter of opinion....

Is just a matter of being correct and realize the community is getting a bit frustrated wich is normal and understandable after 5 years of total lack of information..

If you think is not right some people are writing that this situation is making them nervous... well in the end sorry but that is just your opinion..

We are customers... but we are also people... and we are a passionate community when you understand that you can realize why some people can be angry after 5 years of no info.

 

[Calistarius]

You know... CDPR has actually told us how it is going to be with info for CP2077... like officially told us via atleast one interview. That we will not see any information about Cyberpunk 2077 untill the earliest during 2017.

"We hope and we are certain that Cyberpunk has even bigger commercial potential. It is too early to talk about it, though. This year, and the next one will be the years of the Witcher," Kicinski said.

And by "This year, and the next one", he is talking about 2015 and 2016.
Source: Reuters

So... yeah... you might have missed that... but some... or many... of us did not. I knew I had read about it last year, but I had forgoten where... so I had to do a little bit of google fu to find it again. XD

 

[Sardukhar]

It's not really about reason, it's about emotion. People feel a certain way and then use their minds to justify that feeling. I do it too.

Meb, some things are opinion and others are not. Certain kinds of behaviour are just that, choices, and you should feel free to feel differently.

If you are angry because you haven't been told as much as you'd like about a video game you are interested in, then that's probably not a healthy thing. This isn't heart disease or cancer, it's entertainment.

As for calling people entitled, I'm describing behaviour and it's aimed at anyone who expects something they have not in any way earned. I also described the behaviour as "false entitlement", if you read my post. I didn't say you were entitled, I said, "This idea of deserved information on an unmade product is false entitlement, pure and simple."

Ideas aren't people. You can change them or let them go. But if you were truly entitled to this information, you'd have it. So would I.

Being a passionate community is no justification for sharing your anger on-line. Nor will it preserve anyone who does so from the consequences of that choice.

 

[NightSavior]

I do understand the hunger for new information and in some measure even the frustration but I don't see why CDPR needs to post any new information if they don't feel like they are ready for it. We already have some overall idea about what the game will be like but the details only wait for the right time to be revealed.

I also understand how CDPR has wanted to put their marketing and media effort on The Witcher 3 for years 2015 and 2016. There's no real need to divide the attention between multiple products.

Another thing about the details of CP2077 is that they won't be changing much between now and the time they are revealed. If anything, CDPR will be able to tell about the game more accurately and without creating false hopes (not to mention the grievance of news about delays). I'd imagine CDPR took notes with how things went with TW3 and the discussion about graphics downgrade: While they were moderately honest about what happened, I expect them to want to avoid that kind of attention in the future.

Finally, I imagine that when CDPR eventually comes out with more details, they want to do it with a BANG: plenty of details, trailer, maybe even a release date to generate as much hype as possible in a short amount of time. While I appreciate the developers who are very transparent with the development, I don't necessarily see a need for that kind of policy in general: The game will eventually come out at the same time anyway.

 

[Mebrilia]

It's not really about reason, it's about emotion. People feel a certain way and then use their minds to justify that feeling. I do it too.

Meb, some things are opinion and others are not. Certain kinds of behaviour are just that, choices, and you should feel free to feel differently.

If you are angry because you haven't been told as much as you'd like about a video game you are interested in, then that's probably not a healthy thing. This isn't heart disease or cancer, it's entertainment.

As for calling people entitled, I'm describing behaviour and it's aimed at anyone who expects something they have not in any way earned. I also described the behaviour as "false entitlement", if you read my post. I didn't say you were entitled, I said, "This idea of deserved information on an unmade product is false entitlement, pure and simple."

Ideas aren't people. You can change them or let them go. But if you were truly entitled to this information, you'd have it. So would I.

Being a passionate community is no justification for sharing your anger on-line. Nor will it preserve anyone who does so from the consequences of that choice.

For some people RPG are a passion is not simple entertainment but i agree that blind anger will not contribute in anything that is why i said: "that is overreacting" beside that i also told i can see perfectly why some people of the community are upset... Risking to repeat myself 5 years are passed at this point we should have official at least basic information like the ones i mentioned also because at this point i think they have a general line on how the game is going to be....

If you think is wrong get angry because you wait 5 years and you still have no info on something you care about... what you are going to tell me about the people that because they follow another team in sport are ready to smack slice and kick the opposite team fan?

And again if someone is passionate about something and think cd project was not much fair to hide details in 5 years well sorry but that is an opinion...

And everyone is entitled to have and share their opinion...

Also speaking about consequences... the poster even if overreacted never been offensive at all it just shared his view on the things and is perfectly fine there was no offence in that post and i don't think that should have consequences...nothing bad has be done a couple of person just shared their opinion on the situation of this project... And again this is perfectly fitting and not out of context because in the end this is the Cyberpunk forum and they just shared their concerns about the project.. i agree that one was a bit overreacting... But if a moderator will start to close or delete those kind of post we will return soon at the time of EA like censorship on the forum and that is something i don't want to see.

I am not Angry but for sure can't help but be disappointed because on my opinion after 5 years we should have at least a shred of idea on how the game will play at least in the basic information... What camera view is used, if will be a true digital transposition of Cyberpunk or just another Theme park shooter... At least the basics... And again people are not even asking for screenshot gameplay video or detailed information just some basic one and i don't think this is not reasonable but i do think 5 years with the total lack of information on the project is not reasonable at all.

And with that i want to say to you specifically.. ok you are a moderator.. you are doing your duty in the end... But as moderator you should know that dripping gas on the flame it will only create a bigger fire my suggestion is share your opinion on how you did but avoid to use word like Entitled... I despise that word because is overused and close any form of polite discussion or interaction.