The Forlorn Hope: Cyberpunk Off-Topic

[Sardukhar]

But as moderator you should know that dripping gas on the flame it will only create a bigger fire my suggestion is share your opinion on how you did but avoid to use word like Entitled... I despise that word because is overused and close any form of polite discussion or interaction.

Nah. We handle fires by putting them out, not tolerating them. This was more by way of a friendly warning and statement of intent for the future. I don't care how passionate people get about something here, if they get upset, they are warned and if they keep it up, they are gone. Pretty simple.

Around here, you aren't entitled to share your opinion, actually. That sharing is limited by the Rules you agreed to when you signed up.

10 years without information isn't pleasant, (Blizzard and Titan) but it is reasonable, if that's what a company chooses. You aren't entitled to that information and if you get upset when you don't get it, and you share that anger here, you are warned and then you are gone.

Because you despise an (accurate) word that describes what you're doing or feel excited about a project doesn't exempt you or anyone else from the Rules.

This is going to come up in the future, as it has in the past (Downgrade, The Hair Controversy, account merge, RedKit) and I'm including the We Want More Info issue in it.

It could be years yet before they tell us anything. Years. If you can't handle it, as a friendly warning from the guy who really doesn't want to ban members of his own community, take a break and come back later.

But posting how upset you are about lack of information? Not constructive, not contributing and spoiling the fun of others here. And those are all naughty.

 

[Mebrilia]

Nah. We handle fires by putting them out, not tolerating them. This was more by way of a friendly warning and statement of intent for the future. I don't care how passionate people get about something here, if they get upset, they are warned and if they keep it up, they are gone. Pretty simple.

Around here, you aren't entitled to share your opinion, actually. That sharing is limited by the Rules you agreed to when you signed up.

10 years without information isn't pleasant, (Blizzard and Titan) but it is reasonable, if that's what a company chooses. You aren't entitled to that information and if you get upset when you don't get it, and you share that anger here, you are warned and then you are gone.

Because you despise an (accurate) word that describes what you're doing or feel excited about a project doesn't exempt you or anyone else from the Rules.

This is going to come up in the future, as it has in the past (Downgrade, The Hair Controversy, account merge, RedKit) and I'm including the We Want More Info issue in it.

It could be years yet before they tell us anything. Years. If you can't handle it, as a friendly warning from the guy who really doesn't want to ban members of his own community, take a break and come back later.

But posting how upset you are about lack of information? Not constructive, not contributing and spoiling the fun of others here. And those are all naughty.

Downgrade, The Hair Controversy, , RedKit were legitimate complaints but you can't compare those posts to this ones.. I mean i remember in those old post some people were actually insulting the dev teams and this situation is not even remotely close...

That word may be accurate as you describe that but is used in a manner that preclude any interaction and mature discussion in an arugment and many time is used as a blatant manner to make people piss off... Also is a word overused to dismiss or shun complaints that are valid (like in this case)

If someone decide to post how upset is about some direction taken from the cd project as fan can perfectly do that...Is up to Cd Project listen or don't...

I am disappointed yes... me and others...

In my case this lack of information is one of the many reason i am disappointed.. The lack of information on Cyberpunk 2077 is just another thing to add to the collection...

But anger? not quite...

 

[lord_blex]

CDPR handles Cyberpunk as an unannounced game. they all but admitted that releasing the teaser was a mistake (at least from a marketing point of view) with how they praised the way fallout 4 was announced. (btw. iirc that's all they praised - the announcement. not their whole marketing.)
the trailer came out 4 years ago, but they obviously didn't start working on the game full time back then. real production has been going on for probably a little more than a year. so that's the time frame we should be looking at if we are expecting information. the game is just taking shape. lack of information in the first year of actual development isn't really that bad. hardly any company talks about their game in detail before the first actual trailer. cdpr's current silence is more or less usual and normal.

 

[metalmaniac21]

The only good way to spend time till some news from CDPR concerning CP2077 (which is 2017 anyway) is to sink your time in The Witcher series, really. This way you'd at least know what to expect from Cyberpunk. Or in Gwent. That's also what devs expects from you.

 

[Suhiira]

Yep, around here they key words are "might be", "could be", "we'd like to see" not "is". Because at this point the ONLY thing we're 100% sure of is CDPR is working on CP2077. We're only 99% sure it's not going to be cancelled for some reason.

 

[227]

Because at this point the ONLY thing we're 100% sure of is CDPR is working on CP2077.

Speak for yourself. I came here in a time machine and know exactly what's going to happen.

2017 has one or two concept arts leaked, but is otherwise similarly silent. Then it comes out that most of the development time and money has been wasted on food during brainstorming sessions at a local burger place. Failing to come up with adequate concepts at said sessions and with money starting to run out, the game is slowly phased out as a new thing is teased as being on the horizon. Years pass before that thing is finally introduced in 2021—a Cyberpunk-inspired burger chain based on where they'd brainstormed. The internet responds with jokes and mockery, but CDPR makes bank as "you want fries with that, choomba?" becomes a popular meme, propelling the restaurants' stock to unseen heights and causing the company to quietly abandon game making much like Valve did when Steam started making them money.

And to anyone who thinks that sounds insane, I'd like to remind you of a certain "CyberChef" posting "recipes" on the 2077 blog when the game was first announced. It's been right in front of you all this whole time.

 

[Sardukhar]

...but CDPR makes bank as "you want fries with that, choomba?" becomes a popular meme, propelling the restaurants' stock to unseen heights and causing the company to quietly abandon game making much like Valve did when Steam started making them money.

" Reiben, pay attention. Now, this is the way to gripe. Continue, Jackson."

 

[Suhiira]

Well ... they damn well better have chocolate malts ... not shakes ... real malts with real malt!

 

[Sardukhar]

Well ... they damn well better have chocolate malts ... not shakes ... real malts with real malt!

Man. I haven't had one of those in..hell. Decades.

 

[Sunder]

Came back to this place after three years or so, but forgot entirely what caused the username change. Was it the forums being relocated/merged or something?

 

[Zagor-Te-Nay]

I do understand the hunger for new information and in some measure even the frustration but I don't see why CDPR needs to post any new information if they don't feel like they are ready for it. We already have some overall idea about what the game will be like but the details only wait for the right time to be revealed.

I also understand how CDPR has wanted to put their marketing and media effort on The Witcher 3 for years 2015 and 2016. There's no real need to divide the attention between multiple products.

Another thing about the details of CP2077 is that they won't be changing much between now and the time they are revealed. If anything, CDPR will be able to tell about the game more accurately and without creating false hopes (not to mention the grievance of news about delays). I'd imagine CDPR took notes with how things went with TW3 and the discussion about graphics downgrade: While they were moderately honest about what happened, I expect them to want to avoid that kind of attention in the future.

Finally, I imagine that when CDPR eventually comes out with more details, they want to do it with a BANG: plenty of details, trailer, maybe even a release date to generate as much hype as possible in a short amount of time. While I appreciate the developers who are very transparent with the development, I don't necessarily see a need for that kind of policy in general: The game will eventually come out at the same time anyway.

They were very "green" with Witcher, as they changed a lot since early previews. And the less $ goes into marketing and more in development, the better...ridiculous that more than half of AAA budget goes into promoting the game. And hype can go both ways with bringing unrealistic expectations and people being excessively negative afterwards.

That said...I see no reason why not share some basic info. Voiced protagonist or not, how will basic rpg mechanics work, camera, etc... People will not go ballistic with that kind of info.

And forums work best when developers and fans are ( civilly) communicating...official ones have usually harshest, but more constructive criticism ( reddit, twitter...really serve other purpose). Plenty of problems with Witcher's mechanics could have been avoided early this way and CDPR does not have the benefit of early access like Larian titles ( which improved a huge deal based on direct comm with the players).

 

[Sardukhar]

That said...I see no reason why not share some basic info. Voiced protagonist or not, how will basic rpg mechanics work, camera, etc... People will not go ballistic with that kind of info.

I don't either, really, but I don't have their data. If I had to guess it would be because until -very- recently all focus was on Witcher 3 and expansions and now GWENT. When GWENT is out and running smoothly-ish, then it'll be time for Cpunk. I think. I've not been told.

And forums work best when developers and fans are ( civilly) communicating...official ones have usually harshest, but more constructive criticism ( reddit, twitter...really serve other purpose). Plenty of problems with Witcher's mechanics could have been avoided early this way and CDPR does not have the benefit of early access like Larian titles ( which improved a huge deal based on direct comm with the players).

Well, see, I -know- they read these forums. You guys have seen them communicate here a few times and they've talked to me about stuff in here. Without question they are here, watching. What they aren't interested in doing is putting a lot of official oars in, if you will. Nor do they want our opinion ( yet) on what they are doing. That's fine, plenty of great works have been created without in-process fan approval. The greatest, I suppose - Mona Lisa, Lennon's Imagine, Sistine Chapel, Mozart's stuff, PST, Half-Life, the cronut.

They can -and do- read our opinion on different mechanics and setting choices. They wonder what we think about multiplayer or city size, they come here and look or ask a RED who is here more often.

So they aren't developing in a void.

I think for marketing and development reasons they want to be in a clean room, opinions and press-wise. They know we -really- want to know, (I get teased about it) and they -really- want to tell su, but it still isn't time.

 

[Suhiira]

They know we -really- want to know, (I get teased about it) and they -really- want to tell su, but it still isn't time.

Tell me what ?!?
Damn ... I'm important enough they know me by name!

But I have little doubt we'll all find out when CDPR is ready to talk and not one second earlier. All the whining and demands in the would will not, and should not, change that.

 

[thewarsend]

I just stated my disappointment with CDPR, not only for no news thing, but for ignoring this side of the forums and for basically ruining it. For as long as these forums existed, for years, they didn't even show up here all that often. When they were here, they never had anything to say about Cyberpunk. Nothing at all. Even the slightest thing would help. Like saying, "hey, we are still working on Cyberpunk, we can't talk about the specifics, but it is going to be great" would have been acceptable. Any comment really. ANYTHING. Just trowing a bone at this side of the forums every few years wouldn't have hurt, but it would have shown they gave a damn about it. All we got was standard messages like "We are merging forums, yay!"...

Look, I really don't have anything against you, I am not trying to start or disrupt anything here. As you know, strange as it sounds, I care about many of you people like an extended family even though I haven't visited these forums for so long. But I am sure you do realize many of our most active forum members, Wisdom and ChrisWebb to name a few, are no longer with us. Hell, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't to write this. And you do realize why that is, right?


Finally, this is my final goodbye until such time, "maybe", there are Cyberpunk related news. Even then I might or might not return, but either way, all of you take care.

[Sard Edit: Left in the things not against the Rules. ]

 

[Sardukhar]

Tell me what ?!?
Damn ... I'm important enough they know me by name!

Of course you are! Mostly on the subject of, "She's off topic again." "She posted in Dream RPG again" "I think she spelled bottle wrong again". No, I kid.


...it's nothing that positive.

 

[Suhiira]

Of course you are! Mostly on the subject of, "She's off topic again." "She posted in Dream RPG again" "I think she spelled bottle wrong again". No, I kid.

...it's nothing that positive.

Story of my life ...

 

[227]

All we got was standard messages like "We are merging forums, yay!"...

They didn't tell us about that themselves. They made Sard do it. But... ahem. The overlords' insecurities demand that we squirrel away any frustrations until such time as they manifest in a bout of uncontrollable rage or sudden ragequit, so I can't outwardly agree with you for fear of not being an obedient enough puppet. Your hands fill me up so snugly, masters!

Hey, speaking of things that are frustrating and ridiculous, what's the deal with the "your accounts might have been compromised back in March" thing? Love how that thread is locked, by the way. I wonder if this has something to do with the Russians who kept trying to log into my GOG account a month or so ago? Or maybe that's just their terrible security (lots of others had the same problem around the same time, so it's hard to tell). As cute as going twinsies is, matching on poor security is ever-so-slightly less adorable.

 

[Sardukhar]

You can bitch here, as long as you keep it relatively accurate, not too foulmouthed and non-repetitive. You can't call names, hammer how we moderate, threaten anyone, etc. You know, the Rules.

It's pretty hard to bitch about lack of communication without being repetitive and trying to be constructive, though. Good luck!

In point of fact, the REDs have posted here a few times. Comments on Max Headroom, quests, gameplay. Flippant, absolutely, but they aren't talking about actual design, so making a joke is saying "Hey, how's it going?"

Somehow those posts are ignored or forgotten in the last couple "no one loves us" rants.

The announcement thread was locked, yes, but you can discuss in here or in the Forums feedback if you want. The forum switch over they are talking about wasn't the new forum, it was the one before everyone had to re-sign in with GoG.

Here's the thing. Again.

The forums are here for us to play. CDPR didn't have to set them up, especially so far ahead of game. They are useful, sure, but there are other ways to gather opinions on gameplay not involving the headache of maintaining a Forum Community. And it is a headache, requiring manpower hours and frequent communication decisions on a variety of subjects, some of which go as high up the CDPR ladder as there is to go.

There is, however, no obligation for CDPR to tell you what they are up to in the basement while you stay in their cyber-attic. The visit of one does not confer ownership or obligation towards the other.

I really wish people would just let that "we deserve more info" and "we should have more info" inaccuracy go.

There will be lots of info and when it happens, we will all lose touch with each other, it'll be pretty much like the forums were completely dead because we'll be so overrun by new people.

It's why I'd like to see a strong pre-release community, with stable, serious opinions on Cyberpunk and CDPR's respect.

Vastly increases the chance that they will listen to us when we need them to, amid a sea of yelling voices.

Angry, "tell us more naow or I'm QUITTING" posts do nothing for that respect and sense of community. Nothing positive anyway.

 

[227]

I really wish people would just let that "we deserve more info" and "we should have more info" inaccuracy go.

I did already. A looooooong time ago, too. It really doesn't matter to me if the game ever releases, or if this forum becomes a broken hellhole (well, outside of the collateral damage it causes). Mostly, I come here to get my snarky, passive-aggressive Mr. Hyde out. Well, and use the hypothetical game to get into proxy fights about game systems. And vent about having to change my password for the second time in a month. Absurdly strong passwords are pointless if these people keep handing them over and making me change them, and I'm starting to run out of words to use. The crappy security is damaging my wordses.

It's why I'd like to see a strong pre-release community, with stable, serious opinions on Cyberpunk and CDPR's respect.

Stable? Serious? Ugh. You have boring tastes. Personally, I hope we get a bunch of manic depressive people creating a terrifying feedback loop of high highs and low lows.

Angry, "tell us more naow or I'm QUITTING" posts do nothing for that respect and sense of community. Nothing positive anyway.

Yeah, but they happen regardless. That's the internet for you. Between D-bird and now wars, how many is that in the past couple weeks? And they're just the ones who posted about it. I get that no one owes us anything, we're not entitled to this or that, and all of those fun arguments you always trot out (getting a little predictable, yourself), but this place is more than forum software. They may have put this thing up and own it and the games and all that jazz, but we own the community because we are the community, and it'd be nice if they could maybe suck a little less on their end so that our little community can stop losing valuable members.

 

[Mebrilia]

I did already. A looooooong time ago, too. It really doesn't matter to me if the game ever releases, or if this forum becomes a broken hellhole (well, outside of the collateral damage it causes). Mostly, I come here to get my snarky, passive-aggressive Mr. Hyde out. Well, and use the hypothetical game to get into proxy fights about game systems. And vent about having to change my password for the second time in a month. Absurdly strong passwords are pointless if these people keep handing them over and making me change them, and I'm starting to run out of words to use. The crappy security is damaging my wordses.


Stable? Serious? Ugh. You have boring tastes. Personally, I hope we get a bunch of manic depressive people creating a terrifying feedback loop of high highs and low lows.


Yeah, but they happen regardless. That's the internet for you. Between D-bird and now wars, how many is that in the past couple weeks? And they're just the ones who posted about it. I get that no one owes us anything, we're not entitled to this or that, and all of those fun arguments you always trot out (getting a little predictable, yourself), but this place is more than forum software. They may have put this thing up and own it and the games and all that jazz, but we own the community because we are the community, and it'd be nice if they could maybe suck a little less on their end so that our little community can stop losing valuable members.

Sadly that is the situation right now while i don't agree on what Sardukar say i think is just trying to keep the thing more calm and honestly handling situation like that is never easy...

But i agree with everything you posted... The community is made of us.. and we past the excitement and people are starting to get frustrated because of the lack of basic info... Is sad see people with us since the beginning go away because of that and honestly if i were cd project at least i would think about it...

I will continue tough to stick around and see how this pityful situation is going to continue... I hope we will get new soon but i don't think this is going to happen and that makes me extremely disappointed.

Because is easy create a community then play dead and blame the community if they go away because there is lack of basic info after 5 years.