The Forlorn Hope: Cyberpunk Off-Topic

[Snowflakez]

Ah. Hi friends! How are we all holding up? I've been crazy busy. I hope everyone is happy-ish. I know it wasn't all good news - I fear we've lost Wis and probably Kofe - but mostly I found great stuff everywhere.

Like @walkingdarkly, I'm definitely disappointed about no TPP and the role choices, but overall? I'm pretty damn impressed. As long as we fight tooth and nail for anti-motion-sickness settings (no head bob, wide [110] fov), I see absolutely nothing that is stopping me from loving the game.

By the way, if Kofe leaves, I'm leaving too. I don't know what I would do without his cold, calculating logic and refreshing cynicism (not being sarcastic for this latter sentence, seriously love the guy). For now, though, he is keeping an impressively open mind. He seems to be waiting for "real" info to release - I expect him to hang around until Gamescom, at least, and see how the game actually plays, before leaving.

Also, @metalmaniac21, where the crap have you been? I missed you, buddy. If you're being serious about the ban, obviously we don't need to talk about it (don't want to cause problems), but it is nice to see you around again. Sorry about the FPP/TPP stuff, if you're upset about that.

 

[Garrison72]

Ah. Hi friends! How are we all holding up? I've been crazy busy. I hope everyone is happy-ish. I know it wasn't all good news - I fear we've lost Wis and probably Kofe - but mostly I found great stuff everywhere.

I have a great suggestion for these guys, and really all who need a training wheels kind of FPS to prep them for 2077. It's a fairly casual game called Hard Reset. I bet they'd love it!

 

[BaalNergal]

I have a great suggestion for these guys, and really all who need a training wheels kind of FPS to prep them for 2077. It's a fairly casual game called Hard Reset. I bet they'd love it!

So, uh, I guess my method of throwing them into a paintball game against special forces on holiday is not training wheels enough?

 

[PrincessCiri]

Have the forum emojis broken? They look weird :unsure:

 

[Rawls]

Yeah we've been working on them. They look better for me currently.

 

[PrincessCiri]

Yeah seems to be fixed now, phew, the forums were almost unplayable.... or unusable... or ... something

 

[metalmaniac21]

Here's some thoughts about trailer.

CDPR went smart and actually showed a real cyberpunk, William Gibson is deadly wrong. But hey, that's just him.
In just one trailer we saw a decadent and self-destructing society (57 years of decadence, yikes), culture in chaos (post-modernism, ho), the world of future one big 4chan basically with socio-political and ethical problems only multiplied with age, bigger and bigger population and mass internet access working against what the ruling power now remaining is that tries to do some damage control. The evidence is there - the mass bisexuality, anarchy and punk image literally promoted on billboards, teens drinking, the talky indian in combat cab delivering full borgs and a big pile o'guns that are not just for the show, rednecks living in outskirts unable to integrate into modern society, people dying in VR interface... Just because there's a sun or it's a GTA V-style montage doesn't make it less cyberpunk, Gibson. Leaden clouds, neon, a detective in a fedora is not cyberpunk, it's just visual attributes taken from different genres. In the cyberpunk core lies socio-political, cultural, econimical problems, class warfare on top of it as well; A womit of anarchic society's social life and culture of the future; This is cyberpunk I can get behind at least. Not a sci-fi noir, although there's always a place for it too, sure, but not as a central theme. A realistic depiction of future society and it's problems that are just 'round the corner should come first, not synthwave memes or Blade Runner #912623462106. And I'm glad that CDPR decided to hit the square on a money and stayed away from memes this time. The bad news is that gameplay probably gonna be popamole galore but at least the setting's nice.

 

[4meg]

What's a popamole? If you're implying what I think you're implying I am in denial of such an eventuality.

 

[kofeiiniturpa]

What's a popamole?

Now imagine that happening in shooter gameplay when enemies peek from behind cover or stop so you can put one between their eyes.

 

[metalmaniac21]

What's a popamole? If you're implying what I think you're implying I am in denial of such an eventuality.

Generally means a cover-based shooter gameplay but in my senses everything not including rpg system spreadsheets (or hell, at least VtM:B's(That's important) point-buy system) to actually justify player character being a badass. Carefully built badass.

 

[Snowflakez]

Here's some thoughts about trailer.

CDPR went smart and actually showed a real cyberpunk, William Gibson is deadly wrong. But hey, that's just him.
In just one trailer we saw a decadent and self-destructing society (57 years of decadence, yikes), culture in chaos (post-modernism, ho), the world of future one big 4chan basically with socio-political and ethical problems only multiplied with age, bigger and bigger population and mass internet access working against what the ruling power now remaining is that tries to do some damage control. The evidence is there - the mass bisexuality, anarchy and punk image literally promoted on billboards, teens drinking, the talky indian in combat cab delivering full borgs and a big pile o'guns that are not just for the show, rednecks living in outskirts unable to integrate into modern society, people dying in VR interface... Just because there's a sun or it's a GTA V-style montage doesn't make it less cyberpunk, Gibson. Leaden clouds, neon, a detective in a fedora is not cyberpunk, it's just visual attributes taken from different genres. In the cyberpunk core lies socio-political, cultural, econimical problems, class warfare on top of it as well; A womit of anarchic society's social life and culture of the future; This is cyberpunk I can get behind at least. Not a sci-fi noir, although there's always a place for it too, sure, but not as a central theme. A realistic depiction of future society and it's problems that are just 'round the corner should come first, not synthwave memes or Blade Runner #912623462106. And I'm glad that CDPR decided to hit the square on a money and stayed away from memes this time. The bad news is that gameplay probably gonna be popamole galore but at least the setting's nice.

Popamole galore?

Have you read the previews? Non-combat, diplomacy, hacking, stealth, will all be SUPER viable options, in fact, CDPR seems to be pushing those harder than combat. Think more along the lines of Deus Ex in terms of choice than GTA V. Non-lethal is also possible, at least for stealth takedowns.

There aren't just "perks," which are often combat oriented. There's also skills and attributes, something even TW3 didn't have. Skills are stuff like hacking, engineering, etc., attributes are 6 of the main ones from the PnP.

 

[4meg]

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Now imagine that happening in shooter gameplay when enemies peek from behind cover or stop so you can put one between their eyes.[/QUOTE]

This is what I desperately DON'T want to see. I don't think CDPR wants that either.

 

[metalmaniac21]

Popamole galore?

Have you read the previews? Non-combat, diplomacy, hacking, stealth, will all be SUPER viable options, in fact, CDPR seems to be pushing those harder than combat. Think more along the lines of Deus Ex in terms of choice than GTA V. Non-lethal is also possible, at least for stealth takedowns.

Eh, I don't want non-combat options alongside first person shooter again, I want to feel actual progression and difference between 1 in firearms and 10 and so on with non-combat options.

 

[Snowflakez]

Eh, I don't want non-combat options alongside first person shooter again, I want to feel actual progression and difference between 1 in firearms and 10 and so on with non-combat options.

I'm not sure why anybody expected anything different. The game was never not going to have shooter combat. We're just hoping it also has RPG elements in combat, such as stats affecting aim, accuracy and such, which I think is a good possibility.

If you were hoping for real, tactical/turn-based RPG combat, yeah. This is not the game for you. I am curious about the "tactical mode" they talked about some time back, though. Someone should ask them about that.

 

[4meg]

I want to a completely playable game and never have to resort to combat if I want. In fact, I'd prefer not to spend a lot of time shooting things.

 

[metalmaniac21]

I'm not sure why anybody expected anything different. The game was never not going to have shooter combat. We're just hoping it also has RPG elements in combat, such as stats affecting aim, accuracy and such, which I think is a good possibility.

If you were hoping for real, tactical/turn-based RPG combat, yeah. This is not the game for you. I am curious about the "tactical mode" they talked about some time back, though. Someone should ask them about that.

No. For tacticular combat driven turn-based games I already have a huge backlog of JA2, Fallout: Tictacs, Silent Storm and so on. Something in line with Gothic or Kingdom Come: Deliverance where you also progress with stats going up but done much more fluid than the likes of 90s TES games or 2000s' Deus Ex, SS2, VtM:B and actual learning curve for new tacticool toys is enough in a modern game like this. I guess.

 

[Hoplite_22]

Guys how do i report an entire thread? I think we are getting to that point.

not this thread mind, this seems fine.

 

[Draconifors]

Guys how do i report an entire thread? I think we are getting to that point.

You can PM us.
But I'm not guaranteeing anything.

 

[Hoplite_22]

You can PM us.
But I'm not guaranteeing anything.

Thanks.

 

[Snowflakez]

Guys how do i report an entire thread? I think we are getting to that point.

not this thread mind, this seems fine.

I should hope not. This is the Forlorn Hope.