The Forlorn Hope: Cyberpunk Off-Topic

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So assuming The Last of Us 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 are going to be released in 2020 ... that year is looking like it's gonna be a beast for good games. Of course we can't count our chickens before they hatch, but those two and Bloodlines 2 all seem like they could be epic. There's also potentially Death Stranding, Dying Light 2, the new System Shock, etc etc.

well, 2077 When It's Done. I dunno if you've heard...

Sure is shaping up though. Outer Worlds end of 2019 and then the roll begins. Almost suspiciously good...probably wo rld ends in Dec 2019.
 
well, 2077 When It's Done. I dunno if you've heard...

Sure is shaping up though. Outer Worlds end of 2019 and then the roll begins. Almost suspiciously good...probably wo rld ends in Dec 2019.

Mm. I think they've pushed the end-of-the-world back to Q3, 2024. Rumor says it was because the doomsday machine owed back-taxes. Work was frozen...it moved into international concerns...big mess.
 
So assuming The Last of Us 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 are going to be released in 2020 ... that year is looking like it's gonna be a beast for good games. Of course we can't count our chickens before they hatch, but those two and Bloodlines 2 all seem like they could be epic. There's also potentially Death Stranding, Dying Light 2, the new System Shock, etc etc.

Yep, I agree.

Starfield will likely be released in 2020 (Bethesda seems to like their burst marketing window, and they won't be at this year's E3), as well. Outward just came out and is extremely fun, and then there's Total War: Three Kingdoms (you ever played the TW games, Rawls? I know you like strategy).

I've not been participating in Cyberpunk or Community discussions, except for the weekly polls. Don't really have anything to say about anything tbh.

I understand. Still good to see you around every now and then.
 
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Starfield will likely be released in 2020 (Bethesda seems to like their burst marketing window, and they won't be at this year's E3), as well. Outward just came out and is extremely fun, and then there's Total War: Three Kingdoms (you ever played the TW games, Rawls? I know you like strategy).

During Bethesda Game Days they it was stated that both Elder Scrolls VI and Starfield are not coming out quickly, which I believe confirms that those game being announced at E3 2018 with nothing, but a brief and generic teasers was just a way to reduce potential backlash after negative reaction to the Fallout 76 pre-E3 leaks, so no real development on any of those games has been done before that, outside maybe of some conceptual work, and with Fallout 76 flopping badly, they might have decided to take their sweet time with both projects.
 
During Bethesda Game Days they it was stated that both Elder Scrolls VI and Starfield are not coming out quickly, which I believe confirms that those game being announced at E3 2018 with nothing, but a brief and generic teasers was just a way to reduce potential backlash after negative reaction to the Fallout 76 pre-E3 leaks, so no real development on any of those games has been done before that, outside maybe of some conceptual work, and with Fallout 76 flopping badly, they might have decided to take their sweet time with both projects.

Knowing it's Bethesda, taking their time is not necessarily a guarantee of anything.

They have some "right" ideas here and there, but their games tend to be just big bags of unused potential.
 
During Bethesda Game Days they it was stated that both Elder Scrolls VI and Starfield are not coming out quickly, which I believe confirms that those game being announced at E3 2018 with nothing, but a brief and generic teasers was just a way to reduce potential backlash after negative reaction to the Fallout 76 pre-E3 leaks, so no real development on any of those games has been done before that, outside maybe of some conceptual work, and with Fallout 76 flopping badly, they might have decided to take their sweet time with both projects.
Not quite. They said they won't reveal them at E3 2019, they said nothing about how quickly or not quickly they will come out.

Starfield has been in full production since Fallout 4 was finished, as confirmed by Bethesda. So I have no reason to think it won't be out in 2020, since Bethesda's game dev cycle is usually 4-5 years.

But you're right about ES 6. That one isn't coming out for a long time, probably 2025.

Cough cough cough. That was weird. What did I miss?
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So assuming The Last of Us 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 are going to be released in 2020 ... that year is looking like it's gonna be a beast for good games. Of course we can't count our chickens before they hatch, but those two and Bloodlines 2 all seem like they could be epic. There's also potentially Death Stranding, Dying Light 2, the new System Shock, etc etc.

I recall some rumors, possibly from more than one source, that The Last of Us 2 is coming this fall, but I am not sure as I am not really up to date on news related to console exclusive titles. At the moment, my guess is that both Cyberpunk 2077 and Dying Light 2 will be released in the fall 2019 to spring 2020 window, maybe CP2077 even has a slightly better chance of being out this year.

Starfield has been in full production since Fallout 4 was finished, as confirmed by Bethesda. So I have no reason to think it won't be out in 2020, since Bethesda's game dev cycle is usually 4-5 years.

Actually, it is not so clear, while I have seen the statement in various news articles like this one that Starfield has been in full production since Fallout 4 was finished, the interview these are based on says only that they did not actually start development on the game until then. Another interview from March 2018 however stated that at the time there was one project in full production using the old animation system (now we know this probably refers to Fallout 76), while a new animation system was being finished for a project in pre-production, which seems likely to be Starfield. That suggests the status changed from pre- to full production sometime during Q2 2018, but again, it is not clear exactly how much work was done until then, obviously it was more than just concept art if it involved engine development, and there was some kind of playable demo (even if only a vertical slice) by June.
 
Actually, it is not so clear, while I have seen the statement in various news articles like this one that Starfield has been in full production since Fallout 4 was finished, the interview these are based on says only that they did not actually start development on the game until then. Another interview from March 2018 however stated that at the time there was one project in full production using the old animation system (now we know this probably refers to Fallout 76), while a new animation system was being finished for a project in pre-production, which seems likely to be Starfield. That suggests the status changed from pre- to full production sometime during Q2 2018, but again, it is not clear exactly how much work was done until then, obviously it was more than just concept art if it involved engine development, and there was some kind of playable demo (even if only a vertical slice) by June.


I re-wrote this post like 6 times as I learned more and did some research.

“We just talked about it, and then I guess it really picked up steam — we’re going to do this, register the trademark, about five years ago,” Howard told VentureBeat. “Then we would talk about it from time to time during that period. What are we going to do? And we started work right after Fallout 4 was finished.”

You aren't wrong. I was so ready to say you were, but after looking into it, as you said, it isn't entirely clear what they mean by "started work." Really goes to show how much the media can misrepresent stuff, even unintentionally!

It just seems so unlikely to me that full production didn't start until 2018. But I guess it's possible.

Looking back at their timeline, we have...

Morrowind in 2002, Oblivion in 2006, Fallout 3 in 2008 (only 2 year difference! for such a big game!), Skyrim in 2011, Fallout 4 in 2015...

I don't consider 76 or New Vegas main entries, but more spin-offs, so I omitted them from the list here. Worth noting that Bethesda likely has multiple studios working on various projects.

I'm not sure what conclusions to draw here, then, other than that there really is no conclusion to be drawn. :p

I still think Starfield is a 2020 game. I doubt they are going to let fans sit on the disaster that is Fallout 76 for another 3-4 years.
 
Had a chance to read Kotaku's recent expose on Anthem's development and boy, was it a sobering read. I don't care about that game specifically, but I used to be a big Bioware fan and was hoping they might turn it around with DA4. Now that looks unlikelier than ever.

Short version is that Anthem, much like Andromeda, spent about five years in pre-development before pressure from EA kicked it into gear about eighteen months before release. Bioware had to scramble to put something together, so preliminary work on DA4 was scrapped and the whole team moved to Anthem. Heavy crunch ensued. There was a lot of infighting and many people left the company. The new iteration of DA4 will use Anthem's engine and be a live service game.

I've mentioned before round these parts that DA:O is what got me into RPGs. I find all of this genuinely sad. And exhausting. Can't help wondering when the death knell will come at last, or if Bioware's zombified corpse will continue to be dangled about unseemly. If people's jobs weren't on the line, I'd hope for the former.

O Captain, my Captain.
 
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