RLKing1969 TiaDeLamare
Well, because I am Teh Dummy, I didn't notice that these posts that were supposed to be MOVED were instead..quasi-deleted? Anyway I found some copies in your guys' posting history. Pasting here if you want to continue. Forums are a little borked recently, fixes en route. Thanks Tia for letting me know. I am a Bastard Censor, but generally on purpose instead of by accident...
Forlorn Hope is fine for OT, although a gentle reminder about political talk - keep it Cyberpunk centric. Which your discussion of armed force use and being a soldier is very Cyberpunk after all. Just don't let it get crazy and try to relate it to your character look, the Cpunk world or how our world is turning into the Cpunk world..
-Sard
Originally posted by TiaDeLamare View Post
I have nothing against armies, much less against soldiers. I just find wars generally absurd, even demonic.
Wars prove one thing to me: History can be as destructive as Nature.
But. As I'm a very contradictory person, I'm not a pacifist either.
On the one hand, this world is not an idealistic place, so guns, soldiers and armies are inevitable. On the other hand, the idealistic notion of a completely 'peaceful' society has also been criticized (think about H. G. Wells and his elois... who wants to be an eloi? I believe that would be terrible).
As I said, I have nothing against armies or soldiers. They're just this huge, immense, force that can be used for the better of for the worst. It really depends on the country, on the ruler class' interests, on the zeitgeist. So many variables.
I have written a short story in which there's a guy who is a General. He is brilliant and far from a good guy. But I know there are military out there who aren't "evil", much to the contrary: they try to be as good as this world allows them to be. Like the majority of us.
On a side note, many of my favorite writers have fought in wars. Actually, if you want to learn about human nature, especially the dark side of it, read soldiers' memoirs. I respect what they say, because they have lived the extreme freedom war provides. You won't see many of them talking lightly or casually about war (and you'll see Camus was right when he said freedom or justice, freedom in this case, aren't always 'positive' values).
Ok, that is just my (not very thoughtful) opinion. The number of people who have died because of their opinions throughout History is infinite, but, anyway, that's my opinion.
All right, "I should go now".
RLKing1969 response:
Believe it or not, SO DO MOST OF US! Wars are some of the most senseless, wasteful pastimes that mankind has ever created to fatten their egos' and their bank accounts. Having said this, protecting one's self and family is a necessity and SOMEONE has to do it...People like me. Truth be known, most of us fight, at least in our own viewpoint, fight more for our families back home and our brothers on the battlefield...everyone else can, quite frankly, go screw themselves. The sad fact is, no civilian, no matter how "With it" they think they might be, will EVER be able to truly "Get it."
Well, because I am Teh Dummy, I didn't notice that these posts that were supposed to be MOVED were instead..quasi-deleted? Anyway I found some copies in your guys' posting history. Pasting here if you want to continue. Forums are a little borked recently, fixes en route. Thanks Tia for letting me know. I am a Bastard Censor, but generally on purpose instead of by accident...
Forlorn Hope is fine for OT, although a gentle reminder about political talk - keep it Cyberpunk centric. Which your discussion of armed force use and being a soldier is very Cyberpunk after all. Just don't let it get crazy and try to relate it to your character look, the Cpunk world or how our world is turning into the Cpunk world..
-Sard
Originally posted by TiaDeLamare View Post
I have nothing against armies, much less against soldiers. I just find wars generally absurd, even demonic.
Wars prove one thing to me: History can be as destructive as Nature.
But. As I'm a very contradictory person, I'm not a pacifist either.
On the one hand, this world is not an idealistic place, so guns, soldiers and armies are inevitable. On the other hand, the idealistic notion of a completely 'peaceful' society has also been criticized (think about H. G. Wells and his elois... who wants to be an eloi? I believe that would be terrible).
As I said, I have nothing against armies or soldiers. They're just this huge, immense, force that can be used for the better of for the worst. It really depends on the country, on the ruler class' interests, on the zeitgeist. So many variables.
I have written a short story in which there's a guy who is a General. He is brilliant and far from a good guy. But I know there are military out there who aren't "evil", much to the contrary: they try to be as good as this world allows them to be. Like the majority of us.
On a side note, many of my favorite writers have fought in wars. Actually, if you want to learn about human nature, especially the dark side of it, read soldiers' memoirs. I respect what they say, because they have lived the extreme freedom war provides. You won't see many of them talking lightly or casually about war (and you'll see Camus was right when he said freedom or justice, freedom in this case, aren't always 'positive' values).
Ok, that is just my (not very thoughtful) opinion. The number of people who have died because of their opinions throughout History is infinite, but, anyway, that's my opinion.
All right, "I should go now".
RLKing1969 response:
Believe it or not, SO DO MOST OF US! Wars are some of the most senseless, wasteful pastimes that mankind has ever created to fatten their egos' and their bank accounts. Having said this, protecting one's self and family is a necessity and SOMEONE has to do it...People like me. Truth be known, most of us fight, at least in our own viewpoint, fight more for our families back home and our brothers on the battlefield...everyone else can, quite frankly, go screw themselves. The sad fact is, no civilian, no matter how "With it" they think they might be, will EVER be able to truly "Get it."