The lack of 3rd person view

[LordZoltan]

How fortunate that many are more open-minded.

I wasn't actually I saying that people do it because they want to stare at asses - only that it's one of the only made possible by 3PP vs 1PP.

My point being - I can't think of any actual functional improvement to the game that 3PP brings: only things that wouldn't work well in it.

Sure, I'm not gonna kick up a fuss if they add it, it just seems to me to be the absolute lowest priority - perhaps for when the game comes back for a remaster in 5 years' time.

 

[Uzziel91]

I wasn't actually I saying that people do it because they want to stare at asses - only that it's one of the only made possible by 3PP vs 1PP.

My point being - I can't think of any actual functional improvement to the game that 3PP brings: only things that wouldn't work well in it.

Sure, I'm not gonna kick up a fuss if they add it, it just seems to me to be the absolute lowest priority - perhaps for when the game comes back for a remaster in 5 years' time.

for many, myself included, don't really care much for either way. Its QoL that is improved with 3PP, for example camera angles; being able to move the camera around to see things more clearly/better, especially in buildings/walls.

Being 1PP brings its own problems in so many ways. think of clipping issues where because of the fixed camera and viewpoint we see far more body clipping and such. Or V's weird shadow. Some people just prefer the QoL benefits of a 3PP camera.

Im not saying ins bad and demand a 3PP at all though. Like i said I dont really mind either way, but, i can understand that some might want it here.

Also Character Creation I mean was it really needed in a 1PP game like this?

EDIT: or even over the shoulder may have been a good compromise. I'm not sure just some ideas, rather than a fully fledged 3PP.

 

[kilo19]

There should be a priority list of fixes and this should be one of the top ones.

 

[hulkman2456]

EDIT: or even over the shoulder may have been a good compromise. I'm not sure just some ideas, rather than a fully fledged 3PP.

Anything that shows the players body is 3rd person mode. Real mirrors (not the fake ones we have now), over the shoulder, shadows. It doesn't matter. When MP is done and finished. That's 3rd person mode fully complete. All they have to do is port all the animations over. Enable the camera to follow, when the player has full control of the character. Go back into First person mode. When the character goes into its sitting animation. Make sure all dialog enables the lip sync system. 3rd person mode is done. Free basic update that's ambertized from MP sales.

 

[BretonWarrior]

But stating at a 3rd person based topic that such thing is the only benefit you can see in 3rd person view is downright narrow minded.
Of course I don't speak for everyone who like 3rd person, but I still speak for many.

Please note I said many Beth players and users of the Skimpy type armours admit why they use them for 3PP, I did not say 'All' or even how many as the word 'many' can mean a lot of different things. Over say 15 years of Beth when I've been on forums, no internet before then at home, I could safety say a good few hundred posts have said that, especially since Oblivion and Skyrim. To me that means many, because it's in the 100's but yea it's not 'many' amongst 30 Million Skyrim buyers.

I only know from Forums and often not Official ones that threads such as these often show 1PP say for Beth appears to be the dominate preference. But that's on PC because the Forums were for Mod Team Sites. So as you hopefully can see I'm not narrow minded, I can appreciate a what is being 'watched' (discussed) but 'some' (OK?) do admit it's just why they get these mods and use 3PP.

As you said Lore breaking skimpy version are least interesting and I 100% agree. The change to Mod Making over the years has been saddening to see the amount of adult theme content. Interestingly it's mainly TES and not Fallout although I don't go looking but it does seem to be that way?

I still believe Mods at first and for a good while were not aimed at 3PP bottom watchers (that is a joke) The evidence at the Mod sites can show that, but there is a reasonable amount and probably far more than their was originally. Now I will appear somewhat narrow minded, it's a game and normally a Beth who I have followed for decades. I am no prude by any means by i 'wish' these sort of mods were never invented for want of a better word. Thanks to Talos Beth maintains the real TES as a single player so the choice in is the players hands, Oops that may read a bit off, depends on how your mind works. (Yea another Joke) Cheers. BW

 

[superdemus]

As you said Lore breaking skimpy version are least interesting and I 100% agree. The change to Mod Making over the years has been saddening to see the amount of adult theme content. Interestingly it's mainly TES and not Fallout although I don't go looking but it does seem to be that way?

I'm afraid it reaches further than the TES games alone. To start Fallout games aren't spared either. In fact every modable game will get a certain treatment, especially when female characters are involved. Many times the nude mods are always one of the first to be released.

 

[BretonWarrior]

I'm afraid it reaches further than the TES games alone. To start Fallout games aren't spared either. In fact every modable game will get a certain treatment, especially when female characters are involved. Many times the nude mods are always one of the first to be released.

Yea as I said I was not 100% on the Fallout's but I did not do as much mod hunting for FO4 and either made most of my own or used some of the team mods I sort of helped with back with FO3. Not sure if nude mods are that early (not arguing at all with you) just not sure with the general changes to the models between games I would have thought upgraded utilities may hold them up at first.

BUT as I don't look for them it's just guess work based on what does get done earlier in general, like FO4 heaps of building/scrapping stuff was release ages before anything official to use came out of Beth. Heck I went and turned Adult on and yea even FO3 had one a couple of months after release, some flowed into the next year but a lot of mods were released earlier. Interestingly I found an 'improved' 3PP Mod which I found amusing considering the Thread we are discussing in.

I know FO4 had some, didn't bother looking because I can remember the issues at the beth.net site when adult mods copied from the Nexus started to show up in the stolen mods fiasco at the beginning of beth.net mod hosting. I know I already said it but being an MA makes me feel sad this sort of stuff is made, there is no real need for it but such is like I suppose.

I blame Japan as I said before, a friend visited there during Oblivion and it was becoming purely a porn/sex game.
About the same time as Quarls texture overhaul was killing all our GPU's. Cheers

PS: It's a never ending topic this one and always will be. Well at least it's better than some ranting about the 'Horrific Working Conditions' CDPR workers were forced to do. They should try working in an industry that has the same sort of 'out the door' deadline every month, month after month never ending, makes CDPR sounds like child's play TBH.

 

[oumajgad]

I for one like gunplay in 3rd person games waaaaay more then in 1st person games. You're telling me now that I shouldn't?
Ultimately that's how you represent yourself in this post.

Are you like those annoying cooks lecturing me how I should eat my rice? With chopsticks rather than with a fork and knife?

Projecting much? Because for 3 years now everyone has to read post after post about how more immersive TPP is (LOL), how better it is bla bla bla.
That's exactly how TPP fanatics are acting over last 2 years. WE DEMAND TPP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! Everything has to be TPP. Every game. There are not enough TPP shooters with horrible shooting mechanics with ability to see stuff that you shouldn't be able to see. Or throw grenades in ways impossible in FPP because you see stuff that you shouldn't be able to see... Being attacked from behind? Nope. In TPP you see what is behind you.
We need another TPP game.

 

[superdemus]

Projecting much? Because for 3 years now everyone has to read post after post about how more immersive TPP is (LOL), how better it is bla bla bla.

That's funny, I've experienced it the other way around the last 3 years, how more immersive FPP is and how better it is bla bla bla...

WE DEMAND TPP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

I don't demand anything.

There are not enough TPP shooters with horrible shooting mechanics with ability to see stuff that you shouldn't be able to see. Or throw grenades in ways impossible in FPP because you see stuff that you shouldn't be able to see... Being attacked from behind? Nope. In TPP you see what is behind you.

That TPP shooters seems to have horrible mechanics and that you can see behind you, seems to be an issue to you. I'm going for the experience in its whole, not for specific gameplay elements. It's a matter of preference.

PS: Damn, you took some time to react to this post, it was already gathering dust for a while. I see you've been absent for some time. But still, damn...

 

[Kalfear]

Yea as I said I was not 100% on the Fallout's but I did not do as much mod hunting for FO4 and either made most of my own or used some of the team mods I sort of helped with back with FO3. Not sure if nude mods are that early (not arguing at all with you) just not sure with the general changes to the models between games I would have thought upgraded utilities may hold them up at first.

PS: It's a never ending topic this one and always will be. Well at least it's better than some ranting about the 'Horrific Working Conditions' CDPR workers were forced to do. They should try working in an industry that has the same sort of 'out the door' deadline every month, month after month never ending, makes CDPR sounds like child's play TBH.

Fall Out 4 has 3rd person option
always has
Unless you talking VR version which obviously is first person for the VR sake.
Actually Ill have to check that (I own VR and non VR versions and played through both)

As for mods, FO4 is like FO3 is like FONV is like Skyrim ...
Bethesda games release at 40-60% complete and modding community finishes them off
My Fall Out 4 (both versions) and Skyrim Legendary Edition operate with over 100 separate mods added into them (0 cheat mods of any kind) so they all can achieve what they should have achieved at launch

PS: Really is no reason in this day and age for this topic.
With the technology level we are at now
games, all games, should release with a first or third person option
That solves all problems instantly

You would think this would be a no brainer that all gamers would support
But for some weird reason First Person people feel really threatened and defensive and want all gamers to play only the way they play.

I chalk it up to same mind set as the PKers in MMORPGs
They know they are the massive minority and because of that they desperate to force non pvpers into their content.
So they scream and yell and bitch when ever a mmorpg comes out with a non pvp server for people to play on.
Because it means those players will no longer ne forced into their style of play.

Same thing with First Person Peeps
Oh they will claim "immersion" or try to make the 3rd pp players into little perverts by claiming they want to stare at digital asses, or any number of 1000 excuses

But thats all they are is excuses and insults
Truth is when games do offer up the choice
More people default to 3rd person and future games get designed with that perspective in mind.

We know how that initially this game was conceived as 3rd person as well and that was changed along the way
Was that time issue? I have no clue
But having finished the game now I could clearly see portions of game where TPP would have aided greatly in smoothing out the play.

But what ever
Companies should just give players the option to play the way they wish to play
and be done with it already.

 

[Terralventhe]

So for everyone who insisted that 'it was never going to be third person' and 'it was planned as a first person game from the start', does that mean this article is lying?

Inside Cyberpunk 2077's Disastrous Rollout

Developers say they knew the game wasn’t ready to be released publicly.

www.bloomberg.com

Does it mean this Tweet by the guy who wrote the article is also lying?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1350329528019791872

Cause the article and statement are consistent with everyone else's reaction to the changes made, rather than the statements of people who came into this discussion in 2018 or are rushing to put out fires.

 

[Pufty]

Since the by shadows you can already see how wonky animations are, I neither would expect or like 3rd person mode on-foot, but where the hell are those little cinematics for some of the main story missions? There's only one I can remember, which was the parade.

 

[Keldrif]

Since the by shadows you can already see how wonky animations are, I neither would expect or like 3rd person mode on-foot, but where the hell are those little cinematics for some of the main story missions? There's only one I can remember, which was the parade.

Yes the FPP animations look bad in TPP but when in TPP the engine should animate us with the animations it uses for everyone else (Jackie has duel wield animations). TTP animations are already in the game they just need to write some code to swap the models and animations out when you change your perspective like hundreds of other games. If you build and rig the skeletons right animations are almost plug and play.

 

[superdemus]

Since the by shadows you can already see how wonky animations are, I neither would expect or like 3rd person mode on-foot, ...

Of course the animations are not suitable for 3rd person, why would they for a single player first person only game. If 3rd person would have been implemented, then fully fledged 3rd person animations for the player would have been present.

 

[Halcylion11]

I don't care whether we get a third person camera perspective or not, but the character's animations have to be fixed, otherwise, when multiplayer is added, everyone will be a horrid abomination.

I personally would like to see an expansion to the photo-mode, where we can use the drone linked to our kiroshis to view ourselves in third person... when out of combat... and only for walking around. But the moment dialogue or combat starts, we should instantly get pushed back to first person.

 

[heskyttberg]

I still don't see how 3rd person is less immersive.

Immersion has very little to do with 1st or 3rd person or hell even view from far on little characters moving on a map.

Immersion is more about the story, characters we meed and/or travel with.
Immersion has to do with can we be the good hearted person and help everyone or try help everyone or can we be more evil and scheming or just be a murdering psycho and this will actually change how we can move forward in the story and/or how new characters see us and so on.

For me this is immersion, Last of Us is kind of 3rd person but to me it was very immersive and gripping even the sequel was great even if some events pissed me off.

Skyrim and Fallout are very immersive and as some say, sure I use first person mostly when shooting but 3rd person when running, this is not only to watch my character but it's quicker and easier to travel and keep track of where you are in 3rd person.

If there was no 3rd person driving in CP they would have needed to improve the driving to be as good as games as crew, need for speed at least. Right now it's almost impossible to drive in 1st person at least with a controller.

 

[Keldrif]

FPP driving feels super bad on a controller but at least you have finer control of the gas and steering with an analog stick on keyboard the gas is either 0 of 100% and turning is either 100% left, 100% right, or straight results in tons of tapping the key plus you sit so low and far back in almost every car that visibility is severely limited. TPP is the only way driving is currently feasible in the game's current state which is why they did enough work to include it.

 

[linegenrou]

I have no problem with the game being a fps only, I just think there should've been more moments when we could see our character, like in cutscenes or dialogues.

It was a stupid idea to have a character creator with so many little details to customize your V and you never see him/her, only if you're riding a bike (and if you're wearing a head gear you show up bald for a few seconds, which makes me think even the third person aspect of vehicles was a last minute addition) and in the ending of the game.

Kingdom Come Deliverance did that so well. It's 100% a first person game and you only see your character in dialogues and cutscenes.

 

[Petr_Ix]

I would also appreciate the opportunity to play in the third person.

 

[Fisheye19962]

Personally, I'm fine with first person, BUT it would've been nice if there were more Cutscenes where you could see your V. Also, some reflections in glass, water, etc. would be great additons in the future.

Photo-mode is great but having to "pause" the game just to see your V completely now and then is not enough.

(Also it would be nice if the choice whether you want to play the game in first or third person was implemented. I'm not sure how that will affect gunplay, combat, etc. - They have implemented that when zooming out while driving, so it should be possible somehow).