The Lodge good or bad? - SPOILERS

[username_3615831]

The Lodge good or bad? - SPOILERS

*SPOILERS*
I support the Lodge,Phillipa,Sile and the others sorrcereses(I hope to see Francesca Findablair and the valley of flowers in TW3).I think they can provide an excellent deffence against Nilfguard.They have no reason to like Nilfguard,.Trough the entire Witcher 2 their goal was to keep the Northren Kingdoms strong.Sure they are power hungry and want to rule,but still they are smart and better leaders than Those Kings in the North(Henselt,Radovid and Stennis).Nilfguard controls their mages,and the Lodge wants power,and they can't have power if Nilfguard takes the north.So basicly the Lodge is a strong and powerfull defence against Nilfguard.I think the best possible defence against Nilfguard is saving Aryan, Ioreveth Path,Save Mottle in flotsam,kill Stennis,kill Cynthia and friends,Save Triss,kill Letho.This way you give Queen Saskia with her Adernian army to the Lodge.And I think those sorcerreses can make better use of Adeirn then Stennis or Saskia.So if we do this choices what do we have.

-La Vallete Castle is Temerian not sold to Nilfguard
-A strong Keadwen with Deathmold dead and Henselt on throne gaining 1/2 of Temeria and Flotsam as Military base
-A strong Redania with Radovid gaining 1/2 of Temeria
-A strong Council and Conclave
-A strong Lodge of capable and powerfull sorrcereses having Adeirn and A Dragon up their sleave just waiting to crush Nilfguard+Nilfguard's influence on Radovid got Phillipa blinded,another reason for the powerfull sorrcereses to help the north defend against Nilfguard
-Nilfguard weakaned with dead Letho,Shillard and the entire camp dead,Cynthia and friends dead+the artifact not in Nilfguard hands

I think this is the best ending.Everyone thinks Phillipa and Sile are Anagonists,sure they are selfish.But they are powerfull,strong,abmitius and would provide an awesome defence against Nilfguard

Tell me what do you think about this

P.S i know my grammar makes your eyes bleed

 

[dragonbird]

Maybe, but since neither Radovid nor Henselt trust the sorceresses, it's also possible that the North will just have even more internal strife. A strong Council is probably good, but a strong Lodge with no loyalties may be more trouble than it's worth.

 

[gab961111.59]

Never put too many women to together to make decisions . They will always betray each other and never agree.

 

[dragonbird]

Never put too many women to together to make decisions . They will always betray each other and never agree.

True, but I've been on too many male-dominated committees to think that this is a gender issue. The same applies to men.

 

[username_3615831]

I still think this is the best possible ending becouse we get all the possible benefits from Iorevith path.Strong Aderin and the council.Not just one of them.

You said the kings would never support it,not true.,Henselt and the other Kings don't know Saskia has buisness with the Lodge,sure they know Phillipa is the Loyal advisor,but that doesn't give them evidence that Saskia is invlolved with them.And even if they did know they can't attack Adern becouse of 4 reason:1.Henselt singed a contrant or something like that. 2.The conclave will want to keep peace and would forbid a war 3.Adern is way too powerfull and to Risky to attack(I mean they beat Henselt). 4.Do they have time to wage wars during the Nilfguard Invasion,i think they would rather focus on Nilfguard than each other.That's why I think there will be no war if the Lodge controls Saskia meaning control Aderin

And you said they can never agree to anything,maybe,but they are still smarter than all those kings of the North we have,I'm sure of it.Example They made a great plan for the Pontar.They killed the bad king Demavand.They helped crown a peasant girl(Dragon),and used her to control Adern,This is just an example how smart they are...

 

[synd]

The lodge is the worst thing possible. Starting from the books to the Witcher 2, I just can't help it but hate the Lodge. They're nothing but trouble and everyone of them is a backstabbing b*tch.
Everyone of them should be gone for good including Triss.
p.s the only half-decent "member" was Yennefer but now she's brain damaged.

 

[Blothulfur]

Well putting aside the notion of good or bad, which doesn't really fit in the world of the Witcher, i'd say that they're exactly the same as every other group of power brokers in the north. Their murder of two kings, Vesemir (Radovids father) and Demavend, as well as the commonly believed murder of Foltest has however made their power base untenable.

If the Conclave survives then it must hunt these murderous witches down, to prove its own innocence, and assauge public anger with mages or they will be the next burning on the stake. If the Conclave has been slaughtered then the people of the Northern Kingdoms, always peery of witches and wizards to begin with will see it as their god given right to burn and kill every witch, hedgewife and seer that they can find, after all these women have the blood of divine appointed monarchs upon their hands. No doubt priests up and down the land will be proclaiming from their pulpits, condemning these lecherous women who have slain gods chosen.

As for the puppet state of the Pontar Valley that Philippa raised to provide an alternative to Demavend when they'd murdered him, its day are numbered. Even if Saskia lives it's doubtful that she'd return there. Every noble of the northern kingdoms will have their hand turned against this nest of sorceresses and non humans, and the peasantry will not stand shoulder to shoulder with their non human brothers, as proved in the royal blood questline where they wish to drive the dwarves out of Vergen.

Though I agree that Philippa would make a better king than Henselt and Stennis, she has failed in the game of thrones, not once but twice. First was her underestimating of Radovid, did she truly expect that he would learn nothing from the murder of his father. Secondly with Letho, who manipulated the entire lodge and turned its own duplicity against it all with a simple face and a few self pitying words. Though we might not have seen the last of the lodge, we've certainly seen their positon of power in the northern kingdoms destroyed utterly, and more worryingly probably a lot of innocent women subjected to pain and death because of the sorceresses ambitions.

Like many powerful people they underestimate their opponents, they have grown so used to their own efficacy that they cannot conceive of anyone matching them, a flaw that has proved to be their undoing. Now they will go down in history as the evil women who slew kings and weakened the northern kingdoms, when their unified strength was needed to battle cruel Nilfgaard.

 

[username_3615831]

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As for the puppet state of the Pontar Valley that Philippa raised to provide an alternative to Demavend when they'd murdered him, its day are numbered. Even if Saskia lives it's doubtful that she'd return there. Every noble of the northern kingdoms will have their hand turned against this nest of sorceresses and non humans

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Nobody knows the connection between Saskia,Vergan('nest of non humans') and The witches

EDIT:I'm not saying that they are good.I am saying that they are backstabing,neurotic,evil,whores....But they are powerfull and I beleve they are the best leaders Vergen can have ,Stennis is a big selfish baby who can't lead Adern.Saskia is just a solder(Well a dragon).While the Witches are evil but our top priority is defence against Nilfguard and the evil witches are very powerfull and a great defence against Nilfguard.With a Nation and a Dragon up their sleave they can fuck up Nilfguard pretty bad!

 

[Blothulfur]

Iorveth knows and the sorceresses best be watching their back and raising wards every minute they're in public because a scoiataels arrows don't give much of a warning before they lodge in a throat. Geralt knows on the Iorveth path and might well have told Triss or the conclave. Henselt probably knows (from Dethmold) and thus all the other eminences of the north will soon hear of it. No the secret of Saskia's magically induced slavery is out, or soon will be.

The sorceresses will not have a nation at their backs to resist Nilfgaard, the peasantry who hate and fear them anyway will not accept their rule, the nobility will desert them beacuse of their crimes of regicide, the scoiatael will be actively hunting them and (more worryingly for Philippa) what if Borch Three Jackdaws hears of this enslavement. They have an enslaved dragon but nothing else, unless you expect the dwarves to put their necks on the blocks for these women whom they don't even like.

The lodge is a spent force, they've lost and though I wouldn't count them out yet, you can't expect everything to go on as before after Loc Muinne. They'll be fugitives in the northern kingdoms, even in the nation of Aedirn which they helped weaken almost unto non existence. Radovid and Letho outplayed them.

 

[username_3615831]

Iorveth knows and the sorceresses best be watching their back and raising wards every minute they're in public because a scoiataels arrows don't give much of a warning before they lodge in a throat. Geralt knows on the Iorveth path and might well have told Triss or the conclave. Henselt probably knows (from Dethmold) and thus all the other eminences of the north will soon hear of it. No the secret of Saskia's magically induced slavery is out, or soon will be.

How can he know from Deathmold if he is dead?

 

[Blothulfur]

Because he didn't die immediately, that hardly needs stating.

 

[username_3615831]

Because he didn't die immediately, that hardly needs stating.

If Henselt knew,would he said in it Loc Muine?

 

[Blothulfur]

To what end? What can the gathered mages and soldiers do about the fact, if he knows he can't really say anything against her out of fear, far better to remove the architects of her enslavement or leave her to a Witcher. Both of which happen.

 

[Guest 2812644]

The Lodge as you say wants a stabil North to balance the Nilfguard Empire. All drama aside only a coalition can stand against the Imperial invasion. The problem is historically coalitions distrust their members as much as the enemy. Who will assemble and lead the coalition? All the major rulers can be disqualified (Henselt, Radiovid, Stennis, and Saskia) because any Northern victory would make that ruler to powerful at the expense of the others. The conclave is only a supporting organization and not capable of leadership and the lodge is universally hated. Then there is Jon Natalis whom none really fear and most respect his ability; also the conflict will be fought mostly on Termarian soil and who knows it better. Enter the unseen hand of the lodge in bringing it all together with the help of the special forces experts Geralt, Iorveth, Roche and company. So might begin TW#3.

P.S. I have not read any of the books; CDPR has created this rich world, populated it with very real characters, and set in a time of 12th century central europe at the gates of Vienna, they should feel free to go where they will.

 

[KnightofPhoenix]

As we can see from using the machine to look at people's thoughts, Radovid already had Carduin the would be leader of the Conclave in his pocket. The Conclave is going to hunt the lodge down as we see in the epilogue to keep Radovid from unleashing his anti-mage specialists: the order of the flaming rose.

Radovid outplayed the Lodge and checkmated it long before Loc Muinne.


And I really like the Lodge and I love Philippa. And in terms of vision, I identify the most with the Lodge, at least on a social level.

 

[username_3615831]

As we can see from using the machine to look at people's thoughts, Radovid already had Carduin the would be leader of the Conclave in his pocket. The Conclave is going to hunt the lodge down as we see in the epilogue to keep Radovid from unleashing his anti-mage specialists: the order of the flaming rose.

Radovid outplayed the Lodge and checkmated it long before Loc Muinne.

Radovid is one smart son of a bitch.He outplayed everyone at Loc Muinne,i even think he knew what the Nilfguarians were up to.But i'm just speculating...

 

[synd]

Radovid is a badass and in my top 10 wither characters
The Loc Muinne meeting just fortified my opinion for him