wildkeny;n9372531 said:The current Reinforcement is too overpowered nonetheless.
MooshieMooshie;n9373381 said:The current reaver Hensalt deck goes almost untouched with these changes. If these are the only nerfs to NR that deck will completely dominate considering it looks like the power players right now are getting gutted to at least some degree.
Exoclyps;n9373671 said:They did say that they don't like super strong finishers, so I'd not be surprised if they would get nerf.
And yeah, armor archetype need to get more ways to intervene yourself before I consider playing it. Not enough interaction as it stands.
Well, on the funny part, I had made a deck around Priscilla before her remake, that was a very convoluted deck that was based on the Birthing pod strategy (if you know about MTG) an I used to ran Dandelion, Priscilla and Royal decree (which was first meant to increase the chance of hitting Dande but couldn't miss thanks to Prisci).ResoundingBuahaha;n9373201 said:Remember what she was before this remake? D: Even in this patch many doesn't consider she is good though.
ArianeGrosmont;n9373961 said:many of these statements, if stated individually may have some merit, but when all are brought together they show a pattern: it really seems to me that any card that isn't OP in the archetype you play ''isn't strong enough'' and any card that isn't useless in another archetype ''must be nerfed''.
ArianeGrosmont;n9373961 said:You do realize it doesn't work that way, don't you?
Lol what? Every NG deck will use Letho now that A) it's strength is 9 if not spying and B) you can scorch it nowNammu2;n9367801 said:Queensguard Skellige deck will be unstoppable....
DMaster2;n9374951 said:Lol what? Every NG deck will use Letho now that A) it's strength is 9 if not spying and B) you can scorch it now
? I did say NG, not NR.ResoundingBuahaha;n9375171 said:Ehh.. good luck adding Letho in NR deck
DMaster2;n9375221 said:? I did say NG, not NR.
The new Donar can steal a unit from your oppo grave. Which means a QG you gave them with Operator OR something they stoled first. Letho however banish so, especially if played R1, means gg qgResoundingBuahaha;n9375251 said:Every QG not OP opinion would say counter like Griffin, Letho, Vicovaro medic etc...Sure they are effective counter but the fact is they are faction exclusive so in fact half of the factions (ST NR) can not interrupt this combo, so these view is essentially sounds like "switch faction or you deserve lose".
Though I personally don't think QG will be unstoppable but indeed they are not interruptable half the time and there is no viable counter exist (Try not to refer to Necromancy, we all know it's shit).
DMaster2;n9375341 said:The new Donar can steal a unit from your oppo grave. Which means a QG you gave them with Operator OR something they stoled first. Letho however banish so, especially if played R1, means gg qg
I'll tell you one secret, why a deck like QG will never be top dog in the meta. Because if it ever happens people will start to run NG, Letho in particular, to counter it. And there we go QG is now unplayable.ResoundingBuahaha;n9375411 said:And Letho is NG exclusive, so I fail to see how that bothers QG butcher other factions. Unless we are talking 60% being NG, which is highly unlikely scenario
DMaster2;n9375581 said:I'll tell you one secret, why a deck like QG will never be top dog in the meta. Because if it ever happens people will start to run NG, Letho in particular, to counter it. And there we go QG is now unplayable.
And it's not only NG tho.
Monster will also start to run Katakan to consume a QG on the grave, and possibly ghoul. Caretaker is not as good as before due to the new donar as i said in the last post.
So you see why a deck like QG can't really hope to keep owning a meta for more than a couple of weeks, like what happened in the first 2 weeks of OB
Ugh, you don't seem to get the point. If there was this whole situation where suddenly SK qg is the best deck around, there will be A) people that play said deck and B) people that play a direct counter to pluck on the group A. People that do neither of those get left out of the meta (just like people trying to ladder up with mulligan ST, poor lads).ResoundingBuahaha;n9375791 said:Yes, deal with it.
Again you speak only Monster and NG countering the faction. So again half the factions cannot stop your combo.
I'm not saying QG should necessary be tier 1, I'm saying there is nothing for ST and NR to counter QG while it should be fair to let every faction has some counter. Opinions like this indeed make me play NG for a while with 3 vicovaro medic and letho d bomb, just to seek QG to butcher since I cannot do so with NR and cannot accept they have some counter in the game.
DMaster2;n9375901 said:Ugh, you don't seem to get the point. If there was this whole situation where suddenly SK qg is the best deck around, there will be A) people that play said deck and B) people that play a direct counter to pluck on the group A. People that do neither of those get left out of the meta (just like people trying to ladder up with mulligan ST, poor lads).
That's how it works in the competitive scene. Of course in casual you can prey on people that want to try fun stuff with your tier 1 deck. Isn't what already happens now whenever you see a dagon or discard SK in casual? That has nothing to do with the meta tho.
In a meta where QG is strong i would expect something like this:
A) people start playing QG in high rank because of winrate
B) people start to adjust by playing NG and other counter techs as well (like katakan)
C) people that does neither A nor B get left out of the meta
D) people will shy away from QG due to the decreasing winrate, a matchup against a Letho NG is awful for QG and there's still the mirror where the expected winrate is 50%
E) other decks start to settle again, NG start to see less play
And that's how it is. Mind you this is not a "normal" flow of events, this only happens with peculiar decks like qg.
If that's the situation, before a balance patch, and you expect to keep going stong in the ranking then yes, switch faction or lose. Isn't what happens in every competitive game? You play what works and what's best at any given moment. Casual exists if you want to play fun stuff.ResoundingBuahaha;n9376031 said:Yeah, so basically you mean switch faction or lose. It pains me to see this kind of stuff exist, every faction deserve something to fight back. Especially in a NR discussion thread.
DMaster2;n9376081 said:If that's the situation, before a balance patch, and you expect to keep going stong in the ranking then yes, switch faction or lose. Isn't what happens in every competitive game? You play what works and what's best at any given moment. Casual exists if you want to play fun stuff.