The (Open) Game World Discussion!

[wisdom000]

It won't. CDPR cited it as an influence, and they are thinking of gameplay, not aesthetics. I'm certain Night City will be many times bigger than anything in Deus Ex, but the problem with the games you cite is, whether you can enter a building or not, there is little impact the environment has on gameplay.

Wirh Sleeping dogs free running, and SR's "yank every sign, telephone pole, and mailbox out of the wall and use it as a weapon, the amount of interaction with the environment is far greater than anything in Deus Ex... Infact, I don't remember anything in the Deus Ex environment being really interactive at all... excpet occasionally you could punch through the obvious punchy spots in walls every now an then....

This is what I mean when I say I have no clue what the hell you guys are talking about when you talk about depth of environment in DE... it was almost impossibly shallow to me... the environment wasn;t really interactive at all.

It's mainly there for freedom of movement and immersion. So if I want to take out a group of punks on the third floor of an abandoned office building, it's the Deus Ex way to provide multiple avenues of attack, one facilitating a stealth approach, another letting me run and gun, etc. This way there is an intelligent marriage of environment and combat tactics.

But those are mechanical approaches that have literally nothing to do with the environment.

I am all for giving players a stealth mechanic, or even a fast talk type mechanic to get around some obstacles.... but there is nothing to that that is inherently prohibited by a game like GTA or Sleeping Dogs... It in fact would be a relatively easy mechanic to introduce in most aspects of the game...

But again, that has nothing to do with map size.

 

[Garrison72]

Well, we're never gonna agree on this so I'll drop it till we get an idea of what CDPR decides to do. Right now, we're both taking shots in the dark.

 

[tragan34]

I think interaction is something bound to repetitive design, but i'm not sure since i haven't played many sandbox games other than a few rpg's.
There should be a balance between the goals given from the game and the interactive objects/items. Whenever you pick something you should know what to do of it. That's evident in shooters since whatever weapon you pick you already know you are going to shoot to anything that's moving. Or kick ass if we are talking about melee combat. That's a perfect way to design things.
Anything different from this is probably bound to be a puzzle. Like the ones from graphic adventures/novels where people struggle to get what to do with the items they find.
There should be some good examples of balance out there, though

 

[wisdom000]

I think interaction is something bound to repetitive design, but i'm not sure since i haven't played many sandbox games other than a few rpg's.
There should be a balance between the goals given from the game and the interactive objects/items. Whenever you pick something you should know what to do of it. That's evident in shooters since whatever weapon you pick you already know you are going to shoot to anything that's moving. Or kick ass if we are talking about melee combat. That's a perfect way to design things.
Anything different from this is probably bound to be a puzzle. Like the ones from graphic adventures/novels where people struggle to get what to do with the items they find.
There should be some good examples of balance out there, though

I have no idea what you just said little dude, but I love you for saying it..... i think... or maybe not..... farce oil...... new shoes.... pineapple sweater...

 

[Sardukhar]

Ooh! Pineapple sweaters!

 

[thewarsend]

I have no idea what you just said little dude, but I love you for saying it..... i think... or maybe not..... farce oil...... new shoes.... pineapple sweater...

Oh, Great banana pie.. Banana pie in a giant telescope. Rocketshit.

 

[Garrison72]

I'm guessing english isn't his native language, so let's all make fun of him.

 

[tragan34]

you can also go full grammar nazi on me. It's actually useful

 

[Sardukhar]

You forgot to capitalize "you".

What?! He said!

 

[dragonbird]

How much have you guys been drinking? It was totally comprehensible.

The idea requiring argumentative responses and/or total agreement was:

Whenever you pick something up you should know what to do with it. Unless it's deliberately intended to be a puzzle.

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[Sardukhar]

Most things Wisdom says are comprehensible. I absolutely understood the idea of clothing yourself in fruits. Very logical. Plus there were some other word-shakes to drink and digest, tragically bereft of fruit or grammar. Or Nazis. Or Nazi-fruits.

"Obey the Core or Perish!" There's a good juice joke here...

 

[Lolssi83.811]

The problem with Sleeping Dogs is that there is no reason to enter buildings. At least have possibility to find / steal some junk that you can sell (hopefully you can't sell all the junk for every vendor, bit more realism please) or even better and NPC that you can actually interact with!

 

[wisdom000]

Most things Wisdom says are comprehensible. I absolutely understood the idea of clothing yourself in fruits. Very logical. Plus there were some other word-shakes to drink and digest, tragically bereft of fruit or grammar. Or Nazis. Or Nazi-fruits.

"Obey the Core or Perish!" There's a good juice joke here...

 

[LexiiO]

...And while we are at it:

 

[wisdom000]

I just noticed how much Carmen Miranda looks like that chick from Bones...

 

[tragan34]

How much have you guys been drinking? It was totally comprehensible.

The idea requiring argumentative responses and/or total agreement was:

Whenever you pick something up you should know what to do with it. Unless it's deliberately intended to be a puzzle.

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Pretty much. Also wisdom is right about deus ex games since their main strength is the cyberpunk setting. Some stuff is there for decoration and all you can do is picking it up and throwing it like a cannonball. Basically because there's no decent melee combat hence vending machines are the most useful things (to throw)

 

[blank_redge]

There was a time when (being Finnish myself) I just thought of Night City as an east cost city.

...fail. >_< Dunno how I missed this joke earlier.

 

[username_3674532]

Of course it'd be great to have both, but I'd rather have a smaller, more densely packed city with lots of interesting things to do than a big open space.

Obviously CDPR wouldn't just throw out a big old open-space, but usually it's hard to create a huge world that's extremely detailed and interesting. So for me, I'd rather have a smaller city that felt alive, and felt constantly interesting.

 

[chriswebb2020.736]

Of course it'd be great to have both, but I'd rather have a smaller, more densely packed city with lots of interesting things to do than a big open space.

Obviously CDPR wouldn't just throw out a big old open-space, but usually it's hard to create a huge world that's extremely detailed and interesting. So for me, I'd rather have a smaller city that felt alive, and felt constantly interesting.

I think that both should be available. Remember Morrowind? That was over 10 years ago and almost every building was enterable.

 

[cyborgironside]

I think that both should be available. Remember Morrowind? That was over 10 years ago and almost every building was enterable.

Ahh Morrowind, I spent hundreds of hours in that game, my wizard could fly by the end of it...loved that game.