The sorceress who is talking to Triss..?

[Tutux]

The sorceress who is talking to Triss..?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPHgWfWFr9k

Can anyone tell me, I might have missed an info on this one.. Who is that sorceress in the mirror talking to Triss? I know we have got her in the game but here she has a Nilfgaardian sun symbol or that what I wanted to believe?!!! And if yes..then the lodge in witcher 2 was in the work even early as this in witcher 1? But I somehow didn't see any nilfgaardian sorceresses that have connection to the lodge in witcher 2 -notice I'm not mentioning the book's lodge-.

 

[Sephira]

There are two nilfgaardian sorceresses in the lodge, Assire van Anahid and Fringilla Vigo.
Since the book lodge and the game one should not be different I can assume it would be Assire, because Fringilla has short hair.
And those nilfgaardian sorceresses have connection with the lodge in The Witcher 2, for example the same Assire van Anahid can be seen in the game (depends on which path you choose)

 

[Tutux]

There are two nilfgaardian sorceresses in the lodge, Assire van Anhaid and Fringilla Vigo.
Since the book lodge and the game one should not be different I can assume it would be Assire, because Fringilla has short hair.
And those nilfgaardian sorceresses have connection with the lodge in The Witcher 2, for example the same Assire van Anhaid can be seen in the game (depends on which path you choose)

So, she is still working with the "new lodge" in witcher 2? I thought the lodge's plan was to build a strong state in order to secure the north from the Nilfgaardian
invasion.. :3 and they in witcher 2 didn't include the "nilfgaardian ones" just kept a few people from the north.

 

[Sephira]

So, she is still working with the "new lodge" in witcher 2? I thought the lodge's plan was to build a strong state in order to secure the north from the Nilfgaardian
invasion.. :3 and they in witcher 2 didn't include the "nilfgaardian ones" just kept a few people from the north.

Yes, they are all still working, except for two people, I'm not sure I can talk about it... I don't understand if you've played The Witcher 2 or not. xD

 

[Tutux]

Yes, they are all still working, except for two people, I'm not sure I can talk about it... I don't understand if you've played The Witcher 2 or not. xD

lol I did several times but didn't get to know the full members of the lodge obviously if I missed that point where nilfgaardian sorceresses are back to the "new lodge"?

 

[ReptilePZ]

There's no new lodge, it's the same one from the books, the Nilfgaardian sorceresses never left.

The goal of the sorceresses is not to help the North but to gain more control by creating a puppet state, and eventually an empire ruled by them. The reason why they don't want Nilfgaard invading is because of the way they treat magic users there - it is counter to their plans, not out of loyalty for the northern monarchs.

 

[Tutux]

There's no new lodge, it's the same one from the books, the Nilfgaardian sorceresses never left.

The goal of the sorceresses is not to help the North but to gain more control by creating a puppet state, and eventually an empire ruled by them. The reason why they don't want Nilfgaard invading is because of the way they treat magic users there - it is counter to their plans, not out of loyalty for the northern monarchs.

Aha then I've got it wrong, I thought because they were somehow exposed in the books..they formed another one secretly now with chosen members less than before excluding the 2 nilfgaardians.
Oh man and I gave them some noble justifications and a higher cause!!! Thank you..I think I wouldn't trust what they say!

 

[GuyNwah]

Not exposed, more like disbanded.

Spoiler

The Council and Conclave used to operate openly, and many of its members served at royal or noble courts. The Thanedd Coup, perpetrated by Vilgefortz and loyalists of Nilfgaard -- either as payback for Sodden Hill or as setup for the Second Nilfgaard War -- killed most of them and destroyed the organizations. The Lodge was formed by surviving sorceresses for their mutual protection and to further their ambition. Two Nilfgaardian sorceresses were important members and provided the Lodge with intelligence from the Emperor's court and his fool of a spymaster.

Anyway, I don't think much should be made of the appearance of the sorceress in the mirror. CDPR did not attach importance to the details of appearance of these third-class NPCs, and we should not read importance into them. Keira Metz, a Temerian and a former advisor of Foltest, is still my best guess.

 

[Tutux]

Not exposed, more like disbanded.

Spoiler

The Council and Conclave used to operate openly, and many of its members served at royal or noble courts. The Thanedd Coup, perpetrated by Vilgefortz and loyalists of Nilfgaard -- either as payback for Sodden Hill or as setup for the Second Nilfgaard War -- killed most of them and destroyed the organizations. The Lodge was formed by surviving sorceresses for their mutual protection and to further their ambition. Two Nilfgaardian sorceresses were important members and provided the Lodge with intelligence from the Emperor's court and his fool of a spymaster.

Thank you so much for the further explanation. I mixed up their goal in witcher 2 with saving the north!
Although, I know it is not that important but I was wondering before was the chapter of the wizards (as how it is translated by fans in the books) is the same as that conclave in witcher 2! I don't mean the members as what you have mentioned most of them are killed but I mean the same organization (different translations)! Not an issue but I wanted to make it clear.. :3

 

[GuyNwah]

The terms are used confusingly. As far as I can tell, Danusia Stok's translation has "Chapter" where others use "Brotherhood". The two ruling houses, the "Council" and the "Conclave", together make up the "Brotherhood" or the "Chapter".

 

[Tutux]

The terms are used confusingly. As far as I can tell, Danusia Stok's translation has "Chapter" where others use "Brotherhood". The two ruling houses, the "Council" and the "Conclave", together make up the "Brotherhood" or the "Chapter".

Thank you again, you don't know how much this thing is bothering me.

 

[ReptilePZ]

Alright, quick recap (massive SPOILERS for the games/books follow):

The Council and Conclave exist at the start of the books, they're an entirely legitimate organisation, a union of magic users, who are there to serve the Northern monarchs. Of course, mages are very ambitious, and some of them, led by one Vilgefortz of Roggeveen, stage a coup at Thanned island during one of the meetings, and are backed by Nilfgaard and, by extension, the Scoia'tael. Shit hits the fan, the plan doesn't really work out, the traitorous mages go into hiding, and the Council and Conclave are disbanded.

This then leads to a secret organisation, the Lodge, being formed by Philippa Eilhart and some other sorceresses. The goal of this new organisation is to work towards what they think is best for magic users. What they wish to do is create a Northern empire, whose ruler is essentially the puppet of the Lodge. By the end of the books, they've failed to do that, but the organisation is still functioning and remains undiscovered. What's strange is that in TW1, it's treated as something a lot of people are aware of, even Geralt finds out about it and Triss even talks about it openly, yet in TW2 it's as if that never happened, which might be the source of your confusion, tutux. I guess CDPR retconned that whole thing.

Regardless, in TW2 (nobody knows about the existence of the Lodge) it turns out the Lodge's new plan, after failing to accomplish their previous one in the books, is to 'dethrone' Demavend and place someone under their influence as a ruler there, effectivey creating a state under the control of the Lodge. At the same time, it is decided that the Council and Conclave need to be reestablished - a reaction to the series of assassinations that have occured. It is to be done during the meeting at Loc Muinne. It is there that the Lodge and its members are unveiled and, based on the player's action, either another witch hunt against all magic users ensues, or the Council and Conclave are reestablished, while only the Lodge members become outlaws.

 

[Tutux]

@ReptilePZ A BIG THANK YOU!! really I envy your witchery-knowledge!! You must be that storyteller of the wicher world who knows almost everything!!!
I think I've realized this, the dev. when making witcher 1 didn't actually put in mind doing another sequel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYtqc77BKCE in this that sorceress appears to be blonde which wasn't in the recap video, and here nothing nilfgaardian about her appears. I know from the books the nilfgaardian sorceresses weren't described as that, it's more of a lack of "different" model designed for that role or just thought to be not so important. When I played witcher 2 different times I remembered that scene and how it might have a connection to the lodge in witcher 2 so I was wondering who was that at first I thought it could be Sile since they have a similar face -in the recap video- but there was the sun.

I remember that conversation of Philipa and the lodge about their work being only for "magic's sake". But I somehow thought in witcher 2 that was their failed attempt at trying to save the North from the invasion and a possible big war with Nilfgaard again. Thanks for clearing things up.

EDIT : and another thank you because when I was reading the books I saw how neutral Kovir is, and wondered why is Sile there in witcher 2 planning the assassination of kings and getting involved in politics. Now I know the reason; magic. :]