The story before Keanu Reeves (theory)

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Schyz

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Mind you, I wish we could save Evelyn and Jackie.

Evelyn, I doubt it, her issue was not physical, they broke her mentally to the point that her suicide was almost relief.

I suspect there was something more about Jackie, maybe some optional quest, as we have some dialogue lines about how Jackie is not the same, either in Hanako's ending or in the balcony in the other endings, maybe this was a good opportunity to explore the fact that after Soulkiller copies your personal construct and your memories, the soul actually stays behind (hence the name "Souldkiller") so a restored person is never really the same. It would be cool to find out that the rich and powerful that undergo this "Relic" program actually are, literally, soulless, and a very "cyberpunk" topic to explore.
 
To be fair, not all of us saw Cyberpunk as a new flavor video game. I've been playing the pen and paper game since the early 90's and I'm a huge fan so to hear about Night City being made and brought to life in a video game, I knew I was going to be purchasing no matter what. Story wise and gameplay wise, I think it's a masterpiece. When I compare it to the pen and paper game, it's a giant turd

The general feel I get is this would have been better ditching the open world and all of the role playing elements and launch as a standalone shooter / adventure game. Keep the RPG Cyberpunk 2077 seperate from The Ballad of Johnny Silverhand Adventure.
 
The general feel I get is this would have been better ditching the open world and all of the role playing elements and launch as a standalone shooter / adventure game. Keep the RPG Cyberpunk 2077 seperate from The Ballad of Johnny Silverhand Adventure.
That's not my consensus. They should have adapted the pen and paper rpg elements part instead of half assing some bastardized version of it. The whole point with the Silverhand angle was to give players who know nothing about Cyberpunk a perspective and lore to the world of Night City and the corporations who run it while allowing you to play V
 
That's not my consensus. They should have adapted the pen and paper rpg elements part instead of half assing some bastardized version of it. The whole point with the Silverhand angle was to give players who know nothing about Cyberpunk a perspective and lore to the world of Night City and the corporations who run it while allowing you to play V

Yeah maybe that would be the ideal scenario, but they wanted to tell a story so hard with V and Silverhands that I don't think they could have done that without potentially destroying their own story for player agency (which as an RPG fanatic I am always fine with)
 
Yeah maybe that would be the ideal scenario, but they wanted to tell a story so hard with V and Silverhands that I don't think they could have done that without potentially destroying their own story for player agency (which as an RPG fanatic I am always fine with)
They basically ripped off Johnny Mnemonic lol but this could have easily been a campaign for the pen and paper game.
 
Evelyn, I doubt it, her issue was not physical, they broke her mentally to the point that her suicide was almost relief.

Which is easily fixed as Trauma Team can wipe your memories as we find out in a quest. It also wouldn't impact Judy if she was like that girl in Life in Strange who spent the rest of the game in the hospital if you saved her.
 
everyday that passes i have a feeling that they released the DLC and the complete game will be launched at a later moment ... as i figured it went something like that
first they worked the script and the branches of the strory (most complex of all) then at the end they will try to iron AI and open world activities ... boom at 2019 Keanu appears , scrap the script no time for AI and open world - utter bs release. Now my only hope is that they didnt throw away (i know they didnt ) and they will release DLCs with another character with the game as intended to be. I dont know these are my thoughts because i cannot find another logical explanation
 
Well that would be a nice twist and lead to ultimately V have the mission to get more and more street cred (another system that will have a real impact in the world) and that's a good base for the multiplayer
 
no of course not , the blame is all on corpos who saw Keanu as the mean to their target ... Keanu just did his job and nothing else. But please tell me, they said they written ... i dont know a million lines 800k 600k, really you saw so much words on dialogs? this amount of lines fits only on a trully branched story. The main story that we played has the quaity and duration of a DLC ( it was a very good one), fortunately the game is saved because any future DLC ( or the real game ) can take part prior of this timeline as the introduction of Vs beggining at Night City or with a complete different Character after this timeline on the echoes of V actions . Feets easy, no violiation of timeline and we get the game that we thought we buy
 
the point is that this game if not abandoned in 2 years maybe will be the game that we wanted, on the other hand if witcher 4 begins dont expect miracles. the mystery on this game is while for example the AI its AAA joke material they found the time to put secret missions like the one with the (hot) woman from the trailer of 2013 who she joined MAXTAC ... unbelievable ... the game is built on 2 speeds, the soft and loving of the developers dream and the fast engine breaking of the greedy corpos
 
Who has blamed Keanu? Of what? Did you read the post?
Jesus chill...it's a joke for those who understand it
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No, no-one blames Keanu for anything - because Keanu is Keanu and Keanu is loved.

However, Cyberpunk being weaker because of the focus on Johnny is not loved.
I know ;)
 
Keanu Reeves or not I'd be interested in seeing the original plots they imagined for the world especially the idea of just focusing on rising through Night City and experiencing more of the city and its stories.
 
I think it is something of a false premise that the story could even change substantively in order to accommodate Keanu Reeves when he was cast for the role of Johnny Silverhand.

Tarantino for example did not originally intend for John Travolta to play the part of Vince Vega in Pulp Fiction. Of course, Travolta made the part his own and now it is very difficult to imagine anyone else as Vince but the character existed long beforehand in various screenplay iterations and storyboard concepts. But the screenplay had to have been finalised before casting began and I believe Tarantino's first choice for the role was Michael Madsen (who was not available due to scheduling conflicts). To do otherwise would mean that during casting there isn't sufficient information to give to the actor on who the character is and the what, why and how of what he does within the story. It makes proper casting impossible.

Similarly, the character of Johnny Silverhand and his place within the story had to exist long before casting even began. He is an important character in the source material and what I would consider to be the deuteragonist of Cyberpunk 2077.

There are historical examples of games that underwent significant changes during development, such as Final Fantasy Versus XIII which ultimately became Final Fantasy XV. We don't know how much of the story changed (if at all because it bears striking similarities to Type 0) but what we do know is that it shifted away from the mythos of Fabula Nova Crystalis and there is virtually none of it left in XV at release.

I have heard several people talk about the two as if they were different games and that if there was some way to go back to 2012 and finish Versus XIII, it could somehow be a better game than XV or have a better story. This is absurd and is not how the creative process works. Versus XIII is XV but at an earlier stage in its development. In the initial stages of the creative process where its full of placeholders and vague ideas, things shift and move around until they solidify into something real. Final Fantasy XV is real and its what Square Enix put out into the world. Versus XIII is not.

I don't make games or movies but I do write and record my own music in a hobbyist capacity. You can't write music thinking about what could have been if you continued ambient test 3.1 and took it off on a Deep House tangent instead of what it did and has become. The process doesn't work that way. At some point there is a fork in the road, you make a choice, you rationalise it, you start walking and you don't look back. You just can't be creative if you doubt your own decision making going all the way back to initial concepts.
 
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Schyz

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The OP is? This whole thread is about Keanu ruining the game somehow by making it about him/Johnny Silverhand
I wrote the first post, I don't remember blaming a Hollywood actor for the story, bugs, the AI or any other problem in the development of a videogame.
 
Schyz said:
I wrote the first post, I don't remember blaming a Hollywood actor for the story, bugs, the AI or any other problem in the development of a videogame.
Ya and

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So, how was the story before Keanu Reeves joined the game?
Please....
Talking about what happened after a celebrity joined a project isn't the same as blaming them. It is simply stating (or theorizing) how things progressed.
I don't think anyone on this planet will blame Keanu for anything ever.
 
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