The studio needs our support!

[Moxy3]

Not sure... he even does quite a long cameo in reading short conspiracy stories on the radio (Morro Rock). The cuts don't impact the vision the game has. It impacts other things for sure, but not the depiction of the setting M. Pondsmith created.

BTW

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I would have loved more Evelyn Parker, for sure, as your signature suggests

i think that them getting keanu reeves definitely influenced the story and the game to the point that a lot of gameplay and story suffered from it. i just cant take it seriously when they say the story is about V, but it just isnt. Its all about Johnny. They could have advertised that from the beginning and let us just play Johnny the whole game. Theres no reason for us to create a character and get attached to him.

Team Evelyn Parker

 

[nanowarrior12]

Not at this state they don't also I already did by paying full price !!

 

[Moxy3]

Here's a quote from Mike from December 10th, article @ Wired:

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i mean to say that everything in the game is bad would be just wrong of me. The game definitely has good elements and i like the world. But i dont think we can deny that the bad outweighs the good at this point. (that is my opinion)

 

[Shaamaan]

i mean to say that everything in the game is bad would be just wrong of me. The game definitely has good elements and i like the world. But i dont think we can deny that the bad outweighs the good at this point. (that is my opinion)

We're entering "highly subjective territory" here. I do agree that CDPR nailed the visual aesthetics, and the world-building is fantastic. It's just all so... shallow.

Ultimately the game itself isn't BAD - and if you exclude bugs and performance issues then the game might be a solid 6 or a 7 (if one's feeling generous). That's not a bad game - that's an (above?) average game. The problem is everyone wanted a 9, and we've been led to believe there'd be features that just aren't there. This makes giving a numerical score somewhat difficult - do you judge the game for what it is, or do you factor in what the marketing suggested / hinted at / promised, or what you, personally, expected?

 

[NevaEilhart]

i think that them getting keanu reeves definitely influenced the story and the game to the point that a lot of gameplay and story suffered from it. i just cant take it seriously when they say the story is about V, but it just isnt. Its all about Johnny. They could have advertised that from the beginning and let us just play Johnny the whole game. Theres no reason for us to create a character and get attached to him.

Team Evelyn Parker

See here we got something interesting : I love the character of Johnny, but I understand why many players feel cheated (I don't) whenever he enters the frame and takes the spotlight away from them. I don't mind because I wanted to know more about his story which is an important backbone of the CP original setting. But I think it might have made unvoluntarily the game scope smaller than what people expected, in trying to make an overarching story in which we would take part and which would connect all the dots from the old pen and paper game. Some players expected freedom, and they feel they don't have this freedom because of the overall plot which is about Silverhand and Arasaka. They feel like they're being put on some invisible tracks. I somehow had this feeling while playing too because I remember waiting avidly for side quests to give me their follow up while postponing the story about Arasaka/Johnny because I wasn't as invested in it as in the side characters.

Kind of the same thing happened in the Witcher 3 though, if you remember correctly, because Eredin and the Wild Hunt were kind of always coming in the way and were definitely not satisfying as an overarching plot.

I'm optimistic though for Cyberpunk because the Witcher 3 expansions have done a far better job in introducing new enemies and new plots. Once the game was freed of the Wild Hunt story, it became something far better. Pacing, story, characters, everything clicked together. I see the same thing happening with Cyberpunk. The world begs to be explored with more freedom and more small scaled stories which would let the player be the main influencer. That's why I said the side quests were the better content Cyberpunk has to offer in my opinion. You have the feeling of contributing to smaller stories, but far more gratifying ones. Such as the one with Evelyn.

We're entering "highly subjective territory" here. I do agree that CDPR nailed the visual aesthetics, and the world-building is fantastic. It's just all so... shallow.

Ultimately the game itself isn't BAD - and if you exclude bugs and performance issues then the game might be a solid 6 or a 7 (if one's feeling generous). That's not a bad game - that's an (above?) average game. The problem is everyone wanted a 9, and we've been led to believe there'd be features that just aren't there. This makes giving a numerical score somewhat difficult - do you judge the game for what it is, or do you factor in what the marketing suggested / hinted at / promised, or what you, personally, expected?

I agree on this. The game is really hard to review and give a real score because of what you said. That's probably why people, be it press or early reviewers, gave it some tens or some far lower score. Depends on what you judge is important in a game. For me, the elements which are the more important are very well crafted so I'd give it an higher score, but I get why all players don't feel the same at all.
But given its overall potential, though, I have strong hopes the game can turn into a 9 down the road.

 

[gregski]

i mean to say that everything in the game is bad would be just wrong of me. The game definitely has good elements and i like the world. But i dont think we can deny that the bad outweighs the good at this point. (that is my opinion)

Well, I don't know about "we", for me the good outweigh the bad by far at this point(haven't finished the game yet)

 

[RaidenTheHeartless]

Full support from France! we, amateurs in the classical sense of the term, know what's going on and we sympathize. It's just plain sad and depressing to see people unable to appreciate a piece of creation at its own value anymore. Nowadays, If a product doesn't follow a certain form, a certain superficial standard imposed by the speculative market, it gets lynched and punished by a mob of decerebrated consumers, embodiment of symbolic misery, slave of junk patterns blind to all nuances, proletarianized of the sensible.. with the drooling blessings of the irresponsible 'powerful' of the cultural industry. To be honest, I'm vastly impressed and shocked that a game like "Cyberpunk 2077" could ever see the light considering the semi non-epoch and the telecratic culture we live in. A game that does not have the sole purpose to entertain the pulsional cows, a game that does not bow to the materialist doxa and for once tries to open legitimate debates in the non-initiated sphere, a game that exposes with reason and lucidity the travesty of transhumanism, the tyranny of megacorpos and scientism, the concept of pharmakon, the ravages of techno-pathologies on its population, the ecological and societal disaster due to unethical capitalism and hyper consumerism, the war on freedom and everthing that make this world worth living. This game is BOLD, unprecedented, doesn't beat around the bush and is a prowess on its own. Keep faith and keep fighting entropy through bifurcation, lads.. once the unoetic, noisy storm of mediatic crass is gone, people with still a capacity of judgement will realise the milestone of neguentropy that is Cyberpunk 2077. Bonne chance à vous.

 

[Shaamaan]

Full support from France! we, amateurs in the classical sense of the term, know what's going on and we sympathize. It's just plain sad and depressing to see people unable to appreciate a piece of creation at its own value anymore. Nowadays, If a product doesn't follow a certain form, a certain superficial standard imposed by the speculative market, it gets lynched and punished by a mob of decerebrated consumers, embodiment of symbolic misery, slave of junk patterns blind to all nuances, proletarianized of the sensible.. with the drooling blessings of the irresponsible 'powerful' of the cultural industry. To be honest, I'm vastly impressed and shocked that a game like "Cyberpunk 2077" could ever see the light considering the semi non-epoch and the telecratic culture we live in. A game that does not have the sole purpose to entertain the pulsional cows, a game that does not bow to the materialist doxa and for once tries to open legitimate debates in the non-initiated sphere, a game that exposes with reason and lucidity the travesty of transhumanism, the tyranny of megacorpos and scientism, the concept of pharmakon, the ravages of techno-pathologies on its population, the ecological and societal disaster due to unethical capitalism and hyper consumerism, the war on freedom and everthing that make this world worth living. This game is BOLD, unprecedented, doesn't beat around the bush and is a prowess on its own. Keep faith and keep fighting entropy through bifurcation, lads.. once the unoetic, noisy storm of mediatic crass is gone, people with still a capacity of judgement will realise the milestone of neguentropy that is Cyberpunk 2077. Bonne chance à vous.

I, honestly, can't tell if this is irony or not. And I fear if this means my own faculties are failing or if we've reached such a bizarre state of things where comedy and reality mix almost seamlessly.

I THINK this is irony. I mean - either you're the Self Proclaimed King (or Queen) of France, with the voice of the many (irony), or you're projecting so hard you could be employed at a movie theatre.

 

[otieleman]

I'm not happy about the state of the game as it arrived, but I'm sure it's going to be fixed eventually and I stand behind CDPR and their hard working programmers. The amount of hate the game gets is ungrounded but for me (playing on PS5) I had too much crashes and bugs so I stopped playing and wait until the PS5 version update will be released later next year.
I bought the Collectors Editions and decided to keep it and not try to get a refund as I still trust the company to make good on their promises because what is there is a very good game. I can't wait to play it when it's fixed and optimized for PS5.
Wish you all the best.

 

[Mebrilia]

Wait, the game Mike himself worked on together with CDPR and praised the studio for "getting it right"?

I don't know what to tell you. I can say to you that i felt in this way and the group i play the pen and paper with felt the same. It has the look of cyberpunk the feel of the narration ((in the little content we have)) of cyberpunk. But it flatlines at roleplay and in many things in regard of the setting there is a total disconnection of it at the point we could rebrand the game in Cyberborderlands 2.0 the gameplay and even some of the content is totally far from the source material i can do a long list of things that felt out of place. Sandsquatch witcher potions? Duble jumping nonsense? I could go on and on but ultimately this is how i fel and what my group of appassionate pen and paper roleplayer feels.

Of course this is my opinion and the opinion of Mike with all the respect and the gratitude i can give him to create a such amazing universe at this point is totally unrelevant to me.

Even creators can make mistakes. It happened with D&D too the infamous 4th edition that destroyed the system and the lore of many D&D universes luckily wizard of the coast aknowledged the mistake then created the 5th edition hitting a big undo button at what the 4th edition brought.

Mike is human just the same as me. I pesonally don't like to be lied from the marketing and i do believe this game in the hand of others would had been more true to the source material.

Also personal opinion. But i do believe at this rate cd projekt red is not capable or interested to make games based on pen and paper rpgs and stay true to them.

I expected cyberpunk and i got a crossbreed between borderlands and watch dogs.

 

[amikae]

i think that them getting keanu reeves definitely influenced the story and the game to the point that a lot of gameplay and story suffered from it. i just cant take it seriously when they say the story is about V, but it just isnt. Its all about Johnny. They could have advertised that from the beginning and let us just play Johnny the whole game. Theres no reason for us to create a character and get attached to him.

Team Evelyn Parker

I said this in another thread and I'll say it here as well. No, Keanu Reeves joining didn't change the story. The story was about Soulkiller and Arasaka even before his joining. Look at the game, really look at the quests and the content, all of it works even if you remove the constant presence of Johnny Silverhand. He's a voice in V's head, only V and Viktor know about him for most of the story. Literally most of the main story will still work if Johnny Silverhand isn't there.

Keanu Reeves makes this game better, not worse. Even if he was initially planned for a much shorter appearance, he's a boon to the game with his bigger presence. The game is about V, but imagine the same storyline without Johnny Silverhand, which is likely what it was initially. Going through the same story without the whole relationship between V and Johnny is just straight up worse. You still have the biochip in your head, you're still dying, but you're missing out on one of the best character interactions in gaming.

The whole story arc of V befriending the ghost in his head is realized incredibly well. This is why it sucks the story gets so much hate. Sure it sucks you have to reload a save before the ending to continue playing, but the story itself is one of the best I've experienced in all my years gaming. Now we got all the armchair developers and writers telling the real ones what to do...

 

[Mk3rd]

They tripped on their toes like a little kid. So what?

2nd open-world game and it already holds up to others in some aspects. Others who make countless of open-world games with massive teams and having multiple studios working on a single game. Imagine what they could do in the next entry if hardware limitations will no longer be in the way. Next-gen consoles are pretty beefy esp with the SSD. It should be fun.

 

[Moxy3]

We're entering "highly subjective territory" here. I do agree that CDPR nailed the visual aesthetics, and the world-building is fantastic. It's just all so... shallow.

Ultimately the game itself isn't BAD - and if you exclude bugs and performance issues then the game might be a solid 6 or a 7 (if one's feeling generous). That's not a bad game - that's an (above?) average game. The problem is everyone wanted a 9, and we've been led to believe there'd be features that just aren't there. This makes giving a numerical score somewhat difficult - do you judge the game for what it is, or do you factor in what the marketing suggested / hinted at / promised, or what you, personally, expected?

Of course i will factor in things that were mentioned/promised. I also factor in that not everything that is getting mentioned or promised can make it to the game, that is a fact and acceptable.. to a certain point.
But the amount of cut content is just far too much. Not just in Story but also in Gameplay. Then theres things like the AI, Police System and on and on, i could write an essay to this. Whats even more sad is that the things like Police feel like they were just pasted there as quickly as possible. You cant tell me its a bug that the police is spawning right behind you. I dont want to call it laziness but it defnitely feels rushed.
Then you have the trainstation that was build but just dropped.

when i found that video i was really disappointed.

 

[IskrasFemme]

RE-edited by myself

(lol It was supposed to be written in that topic 'horror show' about legal actions against CDPR ...)

 

[RaidenTheHeartless]

I, honestly, can't tell if this is irony or not. And I fear if this means my own faculties are failing or if we've reached such a bizarre state of things where comedy and reality mix almost seamlessly.

I THINK this is irony. I mean - either you're the Self Proclaimed King (or Queen) of France, with the voice of the many (irony), or you're projecting so hard you could be employed at a movie theatre.

The honour of truth is indistinguishable from the horror.

 

[linegenrou]

I believe the OP thinks CDPR is some indie developer, and not the biggest video game AAA company in Europe.

 

[MrDarth0]

If there ever was a time this studio, this team needed our support, now is that time.

Pilling more and more hate on Cyberpunk seems to have become the norm and it shouldn't be. I've been buying CDPR games since The Witcher 1 and they have never abandoned their game. They have repeatedly shown dedication for every single one of their releases. Launching massive overhauls and Enhanced Editions of games way past their launch date. TW1 and 2 both got massive Enhanced Editions, The Witcher 3 was continuously updated for years and received 2 of the best expansions ever released in gaming for bargain price while EA were selling us lootboxes and multiplayer in all their RPGs.

We should be supporting them, we should be rooting for them. Not kicking them while they're down. This hatred doesn't affect the shareholders, it affects the devs that have worked on this game the most and continue to do so. What this team has achieved in Cyberpunk is monumental, despite it's shortcomings and will only get better.

CDPR is not going to abandon the game, they're gonna deliver everything they promised and more, but it's up to us to not make this process a living hell for them. It's up to us to be the best community for the best gaming studio which they still are.

They'll have my support after they deliver everything they promised in the promo materials they used to hype this game.

 

[poosh]

I doubt the studio needs any help because CP2077 is holding Steam's top seller #1 position for six weeks despite the fact that the winter sale is on (i.e., CP2077 at the full price is selling better than any other PC game with a discount). That proves that the majority of players enjoy the game. As for negative reviews, overhype leads to overreaction. That's a result of aggressive marketing.

Regarding consoles, the game at that stage of development should not be released on consoles in the first place. As a PC gamer, I don't care about that.

 

[IskrasFemme]

I doubt the studio needs any help because CP2077 is holding Steam's top seller #1 position for six weeks despite the fact that the winter sale is on (i.e., CP2077 at the full price is selling better than any other PC game with a discount). That proves that the majority of players enjoy the game. As for negative reviews, overhype leads to overreaction. That's a result of aggressive marketing.

Regarding consoles, the game at that stage of development should not be released on consoles in the first place. As a PC gamer, I don't care about that.

Not only because of this, but because the game doesn't really bring what was shown, proposed, advertised. It is not advertising 'itself' ... but the content of what was said in advertising.

 

[Bartinga2077]

"THE STUDIO NEEDS OUR SUPPORT!" If you 'Enable Analytics' in settings, you support the studio and yourself.

"I think they already had my support when I paid full price for the game, actually, when I pre-ordered it..." RED Point.