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At least in the Philippa quest Geralt finally gets to acknowledge to somebody beyond himself, Triss & Dijkstra that he is with Triss even if she seems blindly unaware of the fact till told. The game could have done with a whole lot more referencing and reactivity to such choices.
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There is just one thing I disagree or, at least, I didn't interpreted the way you did. It's about the famous kiss of Yen at Kaer Morhen.
It didn't shock me. It happens at a very specific time : when Ciri is brought back to Kaer Morhen, brought back to Yen, who is kind of her mother.
So my way to see things is :
- Yen kisses Geralt because she so happy to see that he brought back Ciri (and don't forget she's still in love with him).
- About Triss reaction, I kinda liked it. Triss knows it's not the time for this kind of explanation. Ciri is back. Triss knows as well that Yen was the former lover of Geralt (and in a way, she stole Geralt from her and she knows it). She knows as well that Yen is the mother of Ciri. And Yen was her friend. I think she understands Yen's reaction, even if she's not happy with it. And that's why she decides to keep low profile and not to make a scene.
Anyway, that's the way I understand it.
But apart from that specific point, I agree with you about everything else.
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I agree with your assessment of the Yen/Geralt kiss. I think it was done to fuel the perspective of Yen as a overjoyed mother figure, i.e. give Yen further development. That seems to be the most poignant impression that comes across in that scene. However, I also think there is a double entendre on why the kiss occurred: Yen still has feelings for Geralt and the unifying force between them is Ciri. This is of course introduced in the main story much earlier with interactions in Vizima, but the kiss scene was meant to hammer in the importance of Ciri in the Geralt/Yen relationship. This gives some, in my opinion, great development on the Ciri/Yen/Geralt family connection. I also don't think it needs to be excluded or placed elsewhere depending on romance choices, especially given its purpose in-game to begin with.
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Hmmm let me think about this...
On a serious note, yeah I agree with your point, Triss is smart enough not to ruin the moment you and Yen have been looking forward to for what I'd assume was several years.
It's just later you might expect some kind of mention of it...
Or some kind of mention of well - anything for that matter.
Sad that there's a big chance you'll end up killing Dijkstra so there goes 33.33% of the people who know you're with Triss.
She's our dirty little secret.
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The sad part that we practically can't see even a hint of what Philippa suggesting is going on. It would make more sense if Phillipa would have said "Looks like Triss is hiding from Yen & Ciri" - now that something that could explain so much!
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It's possible neither Triss or Yen is talking to her or other sorceresses about it but that's unusual. It just feels strange that Philippa is the first person to be shown to actively know. If subject of being with Triss could be referenced with one of more of the likes of Ciri, Dandelion, Zoltan, Lambert, Eskel then i think it would stand better. As it is feels like the whole world is under false assumption that Geralt is with Yen.
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Exactly! It could explain why the supposed strong connections felt empty rather than a natural extension of in-game events. I completely endorse banter as providing more Triss content that could satisfy what feels like emotional stuntedness with Triss and the main cast, not to mention the romance progression.
Hmmm let me think about this...
On a serious note, yeah I agree with your point, Triss is smart enough not to ruin the moment you and Yen have been looking forward to for what I'd assume was several years.
It's just later you might expect some kind of mention of it...
Or some kind of mention of well - anything for that matter.
Sad that there's a big chance you'll end up killing Dijkstra so there goes 33.33% of the people who know you're with Triss.
She's our dirty little secret.
If kiss had repercussions and led to some kind of interaction between the 3 characters to deal with the elephant in the room , then i'd accept it as sign of Yen exhibiting her nasty streak and trying to provoke Triss. Otherwise for me it'll always be a horrid, cheap, lazy piece of filth i'll hope one day will be removed by a mod if not the devs.
Dijkstra will live and in my game and Ciri will be saved from a horrid fate in Nilfgaard.
I wonder is the philippa dialogue same if chose Yen? Anyone tried?
I agree. Like I said, it's not huge deal for me. I am not that big a fan (simply because I prefer Triss) but I do like the characterization it provides. I am only asking for a chance for Triss to say something on the subject. Like afterwards, doesn't even need to be an interactive dialogue, just like 2 lines between them. I think would help us Triss fans get some solace. It does seem a little out of place considering how angry she was upon your arrival in Kaer Morhen and the utter heartbreak of the Last Wish quest. Wouldn't Geralt be the last person she wants to kiss right now? I guess in that moment, all is forgiven though. He did bring her daughter back to her.
I wouldn't count for "romance" DLC, but a long-intrigue-chainquest with Triss about working for Kovir's King would be soooo nice. It would consists of some badass mystery to solve + their life as a couple. Thumbs up, great thread, even after reading all books I liked Triss more, so naturally I felt little dissapointed with Triss in W3 despite all the awesome work CDPR has put to the game.
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That's sad. The Philippa quest is the last one which is a bit related to romance.
If there are different dialogues depend on different choices...
Agreed. This seem more plausible than Triss exclusive DLC. I also mentioned including Triss in some expansion material that is faithful to the material also presented. From a practical point of view, this makes the most sense for CDPR to do if they intend to address the Triss issue.
Hardly, Phillipa was talking about the triangle between Geralt/Triss/Yen and how uncomfortable Ciri is about it. That's not an observation she can do when talking to either Yen or Triss - and I doubt they'll even open up to her in that regard.
But yeah, this whole conversation between Geralt and Phillipa kinda feels like a glass casing to a missing box. - Something nice to warp around the main-and-more-important thing that's aint there for some reason.
I was totally waiting for an opportunity to talk with Eskel and Lambert about Triss (even infront of Yen) but nothing! Just an off remark about her being tortured even thou I saved her.
Agreed. I expected more from Lambert and Eskel when it came to Triss because clearly they have had more dealings with her in past games. Lambert even shows disdain for Triss by calling her by her surname lol. There was some good opportunity for some really great commentary/banter from them regarding a Triss/Geralt romance. They acknowledged Geralt's connection with Yen irrespective of romance choice.
Just because Triss is like a big sister to Ciri doesn't mean she cannot have a romantic interest with Geralt or Geralt has to choose Yen. Geralt and Yen are not Ciri parents they are her wards.
Triss and Geralt relationship developed after Yen left amnesia Geralt. The relationship developed in the witcher 1 and 2 is just as important as the relationship developed in witcher 3. Triss is not trying to be Ciri's mother or adopted mother but that doesn't mean that she cannot be with Geralt if the player choose to go that route.
What everyone in this forum is saying is that if the player makes a decision in an RPG that decision should be acknowledge. The whole idea of giving the users that option in a game like the witcher. The issue here is that the game seems like no matter the user decisions or choices the developer was attempting to guide you(Geralt/player) toward choosing Yen.
The Geralt in the book is not the Geralt in the game. There is nothing that say the game has to follow the book. I can get the experience of the book by reading the book. In the game, I want to be able to change my experience and see the results of my actions and decisions. That's the whole idea when playing games like this, you the player have the ability to take a different path. Act III simply ignore your decisions and moved on.
Triss and Geralt relationship developed after Yen left amnesia Geralt. The relationship developed in the witcher 1 and 2 is just as important as the relationship developed in witcher 3. Triss is not trying to be Ciri's mother or adopted mother but that doesn't mean that she cannot be with Geralt if the player choose to go that route.
What everyone in this forum is saying is that if the player makes a decision in an RPG that decision should be acknowledge. The whole idea of giving the users that option in a game like the witcher. The issue here is that the game seems like no matter the user decisions or choices the developer was attempting to guide you(Geralt/player) toward choosing Yen.
The Geralt in the book is not the Geralt in the game. There is nothing that say the game has to follow the book. I can get the experience of the book by reading the book. In the game, I want to be able to change my experience and see the results of my actions and decisions. That's the whole idea when playing games like this, you the player have the ability to take a different path. Act III simply ignore your decisions and moved on.
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I'd never kill Dijkstra. He's the only one who acknowledges a romance with Triss.
Besides, I think he's awesome and if I am to go and live happily ever after in Kovir, the politics of the North don't interest me. So I let him have his way. Roche is cool though and I'm sorry it had to come to that but c'est la vie.I tried to find a clip and no it doesn't appear to change at all. Geralt's answer isn't even a good one either.
"If you're looking to make it a fivesome, there really isn't room" Wow Geralt, way to ignore a huge issue from someone who was voicing a legitimate concern. Not even all that funny either. :dry:
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